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Theglavwen posted:Don't read: Bitchy ranting follows. I have a counterpoint to this: Tudiya. Now it might not be the case that we could ever go toe-to-toe with Amok, but...a powered up Tudiya apparently stood down a demon invasion from the sea by himself. Think about us powering up Uriah. As Asahel we could seek out Amok or some other demi-god and try to do something similar....or just go the El route, but that seems sort of less obvious to how it works. Edit: I agree with a lot of the rest though, but I feel like there could be a path to some sort secrets with another character, especially Asahel whose parentage is murky too. I always liked the idea of an adventurer (like Eleazar) with a bunch of amazing god-tier gear, like the wanderer's shield, charging in like a bad-rear end. Tsyni fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Feb 15, 2016 |
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Are Reload/Choice votes being counted as reload and also switch? Because for me it's just reload but if that fails I'd like to play X
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Votecount up to speed! 41 votes for Judah with 24 for Asahel. 51 votes to reload, 29 to not reload. Do tell if you spot something wrong, I'll change it when I see it / tommorow if gets too late. I've been counting reload-and-switch as a vote for pro-reload. I assume if reload wins that gets a separate vote on how exactly we do it.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:02
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Asahel, no reload. We already had a reload and it was the lowest point of the entire game.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:09
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I'm unsure if anyone has mentioned the reason I take for opposing NPC-Enkidel: Diog is terrible at playing Enkidel. Like, he doesn't anticipate goon decisions very well, and has said so repeatedly. NPC-Enkidel ... wouldn't really be much like our character at all, except in a cargo cult imitation.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:10
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I don't think it's a good idea to play Ashael if Enkidel is still around People will continue to try playing him by having multi-page write in speeches every other vote to convince him to do something e:^^^ if you think about it, playing as Judeah is a reload, since we have to go back in time to start with him alpaca diseases fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Feb 16, 2016 00:11
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Vavrek posted:I'm unsure if anyone has mentioned the reason I take for opposing NPC-Enkidel: goons back away from bad decisions that they didn't think about by offloading responsibility onto the GM, accurate post.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:15
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maxhush posted:I don't think it's a good idea to play Ashael if Enkidel is still around Yeah! And we can totally avoid this fate for Enkidel if we play our cards right. Obviously we can't interact directly with him, but we could try to send some kind of message, a warning of sorts to try to stop him from coming on this trip.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:15
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Grognan posted:goons back away from bad decisions that they didn't think about by offloading responsibility onto the GM, accurate post. I mean poo poo like Denzy's flying city, not assuming the players would figure out the obvious.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:23
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Mr. Nemo posted:Yeah! And we can totally avoid this fate for Enkidel if we play our cards right. Obviously we can't interact directly with him, but we could try to send some kind of message, a warning of sorts to try to stop him from coming on this trip. He really needs to know that it'll lead to nothing but disaster. I'm sure he'll listen to us.
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Mr. Nemo posted:Yeah! And we can totally avoid this fate for Enkidel if we play our cards right. Obviously we can't interact directly with him, but we could try to send some kind of message, a warning of sorts to try to stop him from coming on this trip. gently caress that, seriously. It's a cheap way to try worm out of the sum our decisions here.
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Tsyni posted:I have a counterpoint to this: Tudiya. Now it might not be the case that we could ever go toe-to-toe with Amok, but...a powered up Tudiya apparently stood down a demon invasion from the sea by himself. Think about us powering up Uriah. As Asahel we could seek out Amok or some other demi-god and try to do something similar....or just go the El route, but that seems sort of less obvious to how it works. Yeah, Tudiya didn't really do it though, he was just kinda there while waves of angels fought the beast off. And that's what I can't help but feel will be in store for Asahel or Judah. A chance to be around and maybe influence the people who will actually be doing things.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:31
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Since I just caught up, changing from H - Kadmonim to Judah I still think reload is cheating.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:34
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I already voted for a savescum previously, and I'm not sure if this is a new vote or not... but if it is, count me Pro Reload
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Feb 16, 2016 00:36
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I'd really like to reload and do option D - make sweet gear and hoof it. Sorry Gebebans, your life was hard labor until you get eaten by a giant before. Now it's the same, except not a slave.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:38
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I want to change my vote to anything/don't care With diog as the engine, i will gladly join hands with the good goons in this threat to steer whatever ship we get into great adventure and/or trouble. I just want to take one lesson from this and that is that : The road to
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Theglavwen posted:Don't read: Bitchy ranting follows. I sort of agree, but I have the hope that if we play a blooded dude, we can get to like labras levels of power. Playing an unblooded person would be even worse for the exact reasons you describe. "You're Lefkandi! While the demons invade Zepath you sit in your hut and rock back and forth". My issue with reloading is simply this: I don't think we can ever make enki even approach a good end. Whenever disaster strikes and those closest to us are in danger, we'll do the exact same poo poo, and get into trouble for it. If we rewind every time it happens, then we're just going to take greater and greater risks. I think the only way we get an ending where we can ask diog all the questions is playing a different character and dying in a suitably heroic way. Like, I know we risk a "no-answers" ending, but with Enki that ending seems utterly inevitable. I'm convinced that as a voter block we're not equipped to responsibly refrain from using our powers in situations in which we consider characters we're invested in to be at risk. Until we can do that, there's no way we get anything out of Ish, which is basically the only way we get answers without blowing our head up. Even knowing the gate was worse than death we opened it. Heck we chose to experiment knowing full well it was utterly unlikely to do anything. If we can't accept we're gods of limited power, there's no point in playing Enki, its just going to be us banging our heads against a wall of frustration, as no one trusts us, because they *can't*. Heck, if Ish had taught us to... idk, breathe fire, and had said "Never ever use this, whatever happens", I'm 100% sure we'd all have voted to breathe fire at the Demon. Unless we're willing to abandon all our attachments and seek out Amok to teach us, then we're never going to get the power we want. Not to mention that even if we found Amok he'd likely be like Ish in the "you can't be trusted until you prove you have utter control" thing. I kind of hope the reset wins, despite being against it, because I love playing Enki, but if it does, we, as a voter base, need to reconsider how we handle things. Specifically, I'd like to make a more... general no experimenting vote. TheCog fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Feb 16, 2016 01:08
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It would be hilarious if the game ended at random one turn because autopilot enkidel destroyed the world on accident.
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Diogines posted:If people want to reload AND play as Asahel, I don't see any more problems with that, compared to just reloading. Not playing Enkidel resolves some of the Enkidel specific problems. Asahel with Enkidel alive won't rule Kavodel. I would personally rather play as Judah here but I think this is a good solution for this.
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TheCog posted:I kind of hope the reset wins, despite being against it, because I love playing Enki, but if it does, we, as a voter base, need to reconsider how we handle things. Specifically, I'd like to make a more... general no experimenting vote. The issue here was not experimentation. The issue was that people were so impatient that they had to go to the most dangerous part of the known world right now despite not being powerful enough to do so, and then unwilling to make any compromises once there. The problem wasn't the final vote, since Dio has said numerous times that most likely any decision made there would end with everyone dying. Opening the gate wasn't the issue, being in a position where it was open the gate or watching most of our family die was. Because people wanted to go and see giant-land right away, despite being not powerful enough to handle most of what was out there. There were probably places Enkidel could have gone exploring that weren't so ridiculously beyond his reach, but no, people had to go see the giants RIGHT NOW. Enkidel has undergone a steady growth in power. There are plenty of indications that will keep happening. People just need to practice a bit of patience and realize they can still have awesome adventures in parts of the world that aren't instant death at every corner.
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People, just restart as Judah. Don't be back down bitches.
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Majestic posted:The issue here was not experimentation. The issue was that people were so impatient that they had to go to the most dangerous part of the known world right now despite not being powerful enough to do so, and then unwilling to make any compromises once there. The problem wasn't the final vote, since Dio has said numerous times that most likely any decision made there would end with everyone dying. Opening the gate wasn't the issue, being in a position where it was open the gate or watching most of our family die was. The core issue isn't a lack of patience though, its reasonable to get in over our heads and have to run. Its an unwillingness to accept that we have to run, or accept defeat. Its fine if we go to giant land and say "gently caress, can't handle this", but when all our men told us it was impossible to save the gebbebians, we had to try anyway, when poo poo hit the fan, we doubled down, and then doubled down again. Heck, what we *should* have done is told our men "I hosed up the teleport, we're gonna try this anyway, but on my command, we abandon most of the gebians". Or even just settled for saving the children, but we can't ever accept that things are beyond us.
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Majestic posted:The issue here was not experimentation. The issue was that people were so impatient that they had to go to the most dangerous part of the known world right now despite not being powerful enough to do so, and then unwilling to make any compromises once there. The problem wasn't the final vote, since Dio has said numerous times that most likely any decision made there would end with everyone dying. Opening the gate wasn't the issue, being in a position where it was open the gate or watching most of our family die was. 3 years into the thread 'impatient' isn't an accusation that holds any weight to me.
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Judah, pro reload If we do go Judah I hope we become the Donut's first ever justice luchador.
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Feb 16, 2016 01:35
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Even better, if we become Judah and unite the donut, we can play Crusader Kings: Ur Edition!
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Waci posted:Even better, if we become Judah and unite the donut, we can play Crusader Kings: Ur Edition!
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 Pictured above: On the left is a Mighty Man. On the right, some poor schlub about to get flattened! Such is life in the Donut! A hostile place where the strong do as they may and the weak suffer as they must! The Donut is exactly where we are headed next! Judah has won over Asahel by a significant margin. I am going to sleep on it before I make a final decision, but I believe we will be going with Judah instead of reloading or picking Asahel. I am not closing voting yet. I feel good about Asahel or Judah, every time I think I favor one over the other I change my mind. But I feel pretty good about going ahead with Judah. If people want to change their minds or try to rally for Asahel you still can. To those who are leaving us, it has been fun. I would like to thank all of you again for staying with us. I am excited for what lay ahead and hope to deliver on the sorts of exciting adventure's Enkidel had with less uh... "mystic cryptic bullshit". The answers that Enkidel sought may well be something he can pursue! But since Judah is probably not a half Melachim he won't be constrained by special, negative attention. I am going to be mindful of some of the things which caused negative out-of-character feelings between players and actively try to avoid that. I am also going to try to make the possible outcomes of options more obvious so you don't need to rely upon stored knowledge as much, WITHOUT making clear cut options which are better than others. I hope the adventure ahead will be fun for everyone and I would like to think our game thus far has been a learning experience. I am optimistic for what is coming next! We will start with his manhood trial and then do some (short) flash backs to cover the details of his life up to that point. I would like some help making a banner ad. If you want to help make one, or throw in some money for an advertisement, come to #judah on IRC. Banner adds cost $32 for 4, so I am in for at least 8. We will tentatively start on Thursday. I asked our gracious mod Ettin if I could make a new thread, run that for a week or two and then go back to the main thread(thus attracting new players) and he said yes. I intend to use that thread afterwards to post duplicate copies of the update and JUST the update, that way when you see new posts in that thread you know an update is up and can check the main thread. Also, Thaumocrates is as Blooded as Labaras himself and truly Mighty to count this one! Diogines fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Diogines posted:Stealing a man's daughter, banging her and then killing her father and brothers to claim his title works in Ur too! In fact, its traditional! Excellent! We'll carve out our own realm within Ur, and then bring El's light to the heathens outside!
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Waci posted:Even better, if we become Judah and unite the donut, we can play Crusader Kings: Ur Edition! If we were playing Crusader Kings we would be playing as Asahel, since Zepath hasn't progressed enough to unlock anything but Elective Gavelkind. I play a whole lot of Crusader Kings. Coincidentally, I love Kavodel.
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Music Theory posted:If we were playing Crusader Kings we would be playing as Asahel, since Zepath hasn't progressed enough to unlock anything but Elective Gavelkind. I also love Crusader Kings.
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e: Nvm spite posting. I don't like this change though.
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I'm okay with this. Pretty new location and an entirely different cast. I promise to not try to run Judah into the ground ASAP and get the Kadmonim game going.
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Feb 16, 2016 01:47
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Music Theory posted:If we were playing Crusader Kings we would be playing as Asahel, since Zepath hasn't progressed enough to unlock anything but Elective Gavelkind. 10/10 Lets do CK2:PL
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IRC question posted:<FoxTerrier> Diog Snuls is OK right? (Lie to us! Lie!) I will reveal information about Snarls fate, no matter the outcome.
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LowellDND posted:10/10 Lets do CK2:PL It's going to be great. Once we're the Emperor of Ur, how many secrets can the House of El hide?
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Diogines posted:I will reveal information about Snarls fate, no matter the outcome. He's on a farm happily running through meadows full of flowers. He plays with the pack by day and gets belly rubs by night. Watches-The-Stupid-Fuzzies is there too. This is now canon. 
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Raise a Roc, train it to accept a rider, become Emperor Karl Franz after we
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FoxTerrier posted:He's on a farm happily running through meadows full of flowers. He plays with the pack by day and gets belly rubs by night. Watches-The-Stupid-Fuzzies is there too.
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Judah's a pretty good choice. Arguably the best of the presented options, in my opinion. As long as people can understand that 1)They won't be making as lofty of decisions, and 2) they will have a limited power level and can't "magic" our way out of things, there's a lot of room for fun adventures that could easily one day see us as a King with reasonable pull in regional events if the voting leads us that way. We're essentially playing as a blank slate Uriah without all the baggage. Things will shift to focus more on regional than divine events - but the shift of focus may also breathe new life into a game that's been in need of something like that for awhile.
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