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Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

dscruffy1 posted:

As a person who hasn't played a Harvest Moon game in a while, where's a good game to get back into the groove? Is it Rune Factory 4?

Yeah rune factory is a really nice harvest moon. If you just want to do normal nonsense like put seeds in the ground and milk cows you can. And there are lots of quality of life changes.

If you want level 10 uber plants 4x the size of normal plants. while your hoard of cow produces enough level 10 milk to flood a village. And producing gourmet food with those plants and milk and making a fortune each day. You can do that too.

Each level increases the selling price by 10% for your information.

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Truthkeeper
Nov 29, 2010

Friends don't let friends borrow on credit.

FredMSloniker posted:

Anyway, I nitpick because I care. Looking forward to your next update!

I like nitpicking. I try to catch the little stuff before I post, but I obviously miss a handful, so I appreciate people catching them for me.

aerion111
Nov 29, 2011

Prodigy of Curiosity.
Master of Jacks.
Apprentice of Masks.
And, when fighting the forces of darkness, always remember: "Armor of Darkness, Weapon of Light"

Shwqa posted:

Yeah rune factory is a really nice harvest moon. If you just want to do normal nonsense like put seeds in the ground and milk cows you can. And there are lots of quality of life changes.

If you want level 10 uber plants 4x the size of normal plants. while your hoard of cow produces enough level 10 milk to flood a village. And producing gourmet food with those plants and milk and making a fortune each day. You can do that too.

Each level increases the selling price by 10% for your information.

Personally I consider the best part to be how little you really have to do, and how easy it is to do that.
I've finished RF3 once, and 'almost finished' it a couple more times, without ever using more than a quarter of the farm at a time - and not even using that quarter very efficiently.
In Tides of Destiny, while I use the entire farm-space, I 'scythe' (essentially AoE destroy, without getting anything in return) most of the plants as it's easier than harvesting them (it makes more sense in context of how the planting mechanics work there)
In both games, by the time I reach the end of the game, I generally have full stacks of just about every kind of 'common resource', and literally more money than I know what to do with.

In contrast, I tried a 'traditional' Harvest Moon, got frustrated at how slow everything was, got annoyed at having to hunt all over the map for random events or such that might trigger the next bit of story, and gave up when I realized I practically had to work non-stop from game-sunrise to game-sundown to keep even a small farm going.

Oh, and you under-sell the flexibility, I feel; Pretty sure you could get through RF3 while refusing to farm.
I might be missing a couple of points where it does require it, it's not like I'd consider it strange enough to remember if the farm-game required you to farm, but I'm pretty sure you can get by quite decently with fishing, fighting, and/or using gathered ingredients to craft, should you decide 'Yeah, you know what? I might not remember much, but I do remember I have no interest nor talent for farming!'

Tetrakarn
Nov 1, 2011

dscruffy1 posted:

As a person who hasn't played a Harvest Moon game in a while, where's a good game to get back into the groove? Is it Rune Factory 4?
Rune Factory 3 is a great starting place for getting into the RF side of things, but be warned because it will spoil you. Everything in RF3 and RF4 is so fast compared to every other game in the harvest moon/rune factory franchise, and I love it. Rune Factory 4 is RF3, but more of everything with a few tweaks here and there that make it play even smoother.

RF1 is a clunky bit of gaming that plays exactly like the premise: they took a harvest moon game and put a sword in your hand. It's as awkward as it sounds and definitely feels unpolished, but still fun. RF2, on the other hand, is still about as awkward, and just feels worse to me in general but that might be me going back to it after RF3

Most main series harvest moon games are the same, with some having more effort put into them than others. I'm not really knowledgeable about the details of the main series. I hear the harvest moon that isn't called harvest moon (I think it was Story of Seasons or something like that) is pretty good if you're looking at a more recent entry.

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT
Oh my god I didn't know RF3 tied marriage into the plot. :allears:

Raven is the cutest

Truthkeeper
Nov 29, 2010

Friends don't let friends borrow on credit.

Tarezax posted:

Oh my god I didn't know RF3 tied marriage into the plot. :allears:

Raven is the cutest

Sadly, Raven is canonically forever alone, based on things she says in her cameo appearances in RF4.

Truthkeeper
Nov 29, 2010

Friends don't let friends borrow on credit.
Meet, Greet, and Go on a Killing Spree

So I spent some time wandering around town, ran into a few new faces. Like Porcoline Tulle De Sainte-Coquille.

My name is Porcoline Tulle De Sainte-Coquille.

The Sainte-Coquille family have been a mainstay of the Rune Factory series, a neverending parade of rich goofy fat guys with silly gimmicks. Porcoline runs the town restaurant, which makes a lot of sense… until you get to know him a bit and realize it’s a terrible idea.

Hi. I'm Art

A pleasure to meet you, Art.



My name is Porcoline Tulle De Sainte-Coquille.

Mr. Sainte-Coquille, you’re trying to seduce me.

Yeah, this is Porcoline’s gimmick, he regularly tries to seduce and/or propose to Art. Also, big fat guy eats a lot, hurr hurr durr.

...Um, nice to meet you? (Wow, he's kinda weird.)

I think he and Arthur are the only people in this game with last names.

And then there’s Doug.



This is Doug. I don’t like Doug. Why don’t I like Doug? That’s right, because he’s a creepy ginger. Also a clean-shaven dwarf, which is even creepier. Sadly, he’s one of the more tolerable marriage candidates for the female player character. Poor Frey got the shaft.



Not making a good case for why I shouldn’t commit locally-centered genocide.

Um, but...

Has Lest said this often enough to count as his catch phrase? I feel like he has.

I mean it.

Well, if you insist. (Not that I'm actually royalty, but...)

Great! So do you remember my name?

Yeah, it’s Urist, right? I mean, you’re a dwarf, it’s gotta be Urist. Urist McFilthybeardlessguy.

You do! Awesome. ♪ I'm +Doug+. Don't forget! I work here in the general store with Granny Blossom, if you've met her. We've got lots of stuff, so stop on by and buy something, 'kay? Anyway, it's good to meet you!

If there’s anything respectable about Doug, it’s his relationship with Blossom. He takes good care of the old lady, and she in turn loves him like a grandson.

Actually, there’s a lot more families by adoption in this town than there are genetic families. This supports my disaster killing everybody’s parents theory.

Still, never trust a clean-shaven ginger dwarf. Now you can’t say this LP has never given you useful advice for day-to-day life.

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Doug
Voice: Yuri Lowenthal

Beardless Dwarf

Sasuke Uchiha himself, this goes a long way toward explaining my irrational dislike of Doug, his voice associates him with a character I disliked even when I liked the show. Honestly, I rag on him a lot, but Doug's an all-around decent sort. He's a lazy slacker, but he does his best by Blossom, who took him in out of the goodness of her heart when he first wandered into town. This is a common theme in Selphia. Even if I wasn't planning on befriending everybody in town for the LP, I'd befriend Doug anyway. Because you can always shop at the general store if you talk to him while he's in the store, so recruiting him into the party is an easy way to shop outside of business hours. And since he and Blossom have different inventories each day, I can check with Doug if Blossom isn't carrying a specific item I need, rather than waiting for the old lady to go off the clock. Doug has some... interesting conflicts with another character that lead... certain subsets of the fanbase to make... certain assumptions, vis a vis sexuality. Honestly, In much the same way that Margaret is the most human-seeming of the eligible ladies, Doug is the most human of the dudes. Irony, thy name is neither of them being human.

In combat, Doug... isn't very good. He uses one-handed swords half-assedly can can cast the weakest fire spell in the game. With crap Int.

I popped over to see Arthur, who has his own swanky office adjacent to the restaurant now. And finally gets his cutscene.



It was really hard to get a shot of his face here, and gently caress if I know what’s up with the crystal ball and incense. Part time fortune teller?

Ah, Art. This is the first time we've talked here, isn't it?

Yeah, you're right.

Well then, welcome to my office.

You work here?

Yes. Porcoline was kind enough to lend me a room he was not using at the time. And I've just finished moving my paperwork here from the palace.

Wow.

I work mainly with other stores and businesses. I'm afraid you won't be able to help with most of it. Oh, but there is one thing. Art, are you familiar with the +Harvest Report+?

+Harvest Report+?



A +Harvest Report+ can predict what may be coming. In this geographical area, the predictions are good for about one week. I try to have the next week's report fully prepared by Friday.

Hmm.

I'm sure that can be some very useful information when farming. Would you like a more detailed explanation?

NO! Dear Ventuswill no! No more tutorials! I’ll explain it for you Arthur!

quote:

It’s simpler than he makes it sound. Each week, one crop will be a bumper crop, and will produce more units per plant than usual. And one crop will be a poor crop, producing less. I tend to notice plus or minus one vegetable, respectively. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, this system is bugged, causing it to repeat the information for the current week’s bumper crop for next week, so you can’t really use it very well to plant in advance.

Arthur also runs a shop, on top of his thousand other duties. Arthur’s shop is unique in that it offers a seemingly random assortment of items (locked by game progress so as to prevent getting late-game equipment or upgrade items), switched out each day. Valuable to me once I have crafting stations and money to burn, since there are no limits to what you can buy and recipe bread is relatively inexpensive. It’s worth checking every day. Also, he trades 3DS play coins for local currency, which can come in handy in a pinch, but I won’t be taking advantage of it. Because all my play coins go to Animal Crossing.


I suppose, with Arthur officially introduced as a marriage candidate, it's time for his blurb.

quote:

Arthur D. Lawrence
Voice: Sam Riegel

13th Prince of Norad Kingdom.

I never realized that that was Phoenix Wright himself (well, Dual Destinies came out after RF4, , but it's a rather appropriate voice for Arthur. Arthur is one of those 'royals who do something' types, he's a prince who runs some kind of shipping empire on the side, and on top of that was going to work the farm here before he suckered me into doing it. He isn't he first prince of Norad to show up in this series (the protagonist of the first game is one of his cousins or something), but he is the first interesting one. Arthur could be a legitimately cool character and good love interest for Frey... except for his gimmick. Arthur's gimmick is a love of cute stuff, and it's silly to the point of being annoying sometimes (also, glasses are apparently cute, which is why he collects them). But when he isn't being a goofball, Arthur's a drat fine man to have around. Like DOug, Arthur is worth befriending just to be able to access his store just by dropping him in the party and popping into his office. Arthur's store can make or break the early to mid-game.

Arthur is a staff specialist in combat, and can cast a variety of light and dark elemental spells, and a mid-range healing spell. Sadly, light and dark spells are fairly useless, so I tend to leave him on the bench.

And then I ran into Margaret again.

You seem like someone who'll make some pretty sounds, Art.

Huh? Sounds? (Whaaat is she implying here?)



...Yep, I was right! You definitely have a nice yelp. I can tell that you're a nice person, Art.

F-from just that?!



The sound of a man yelping in main is pleasant. Bitch be crazy yo. I should go back and add that to the write-up on her.

But enough socializing! Let’s go check out that mysterious glowing tunnel. It’s still not important though.



These woods are lovely, dark and deep.



(I got a shield)

But I have promises to keep.



And miles to go before I sleep.



Just a couple screens into the forest (the first of many dungeons), we have an insurmountable obstacle! An impenetrable barrier blocks the way forward! There’s no hope of advancing!

Except for the obvious course of killing all the monsters on this screen, including the gate (the circular thing on the right) that spawns additional monsters.





Yep, miles to go. Or, y’know, like 20 feet before I get clobbered by a group of ants. This is why Forte is available as a companion from the start. It was stupid of me to go alone. Even if I had made it to the boss, I would have gotten curbstomped.

Still, live and learn.



On being defeated, you wake up in Doctor Jones’ clinic. If Jones greets you, he takes a sizable chunk of your on-hand funds (based on your level, and it can be more than you’ve got on you, in which case he empties your wallet). If Nancy greets you, she lets you off with a warning. If you were adventuring with a girl you happen to be dating (or your wife), Jones gives you a 50% discount.



Oh hi Raven, you’re in the wrong game. RF3 is over there on my bookshelf with the other DS games.

Raven is one of three regularly appearing cameo characters from previous RF games. Each of them serves a purpose, Raven sells crafting items, a small stock at first, but any crafting material you ship with a vendor price can randomly appear in her inventory (again, locked to story progress).



Once you’ve been to the forest at all, it’s all anybody wants to talk about anymore. Everybody has comments, or opinions, or unsolicited advice.

To get away from the forest-talk, I wandered over to the Request Box to see what Eliza has for me today.




This request is from Forte. Looks like the whole town's trying to help you out! Lucky you, I guess. Hmm, let's see...

"Today's request is chopping Lumber." "Lumber is used in building large furniture and extending rooms." "I would like for you to learn how Lumber is produced."

...She sounds stiff even in writing, huh? But, she left you a gift! It's an +axe+. Which would be for...yes, here we go...

"You can make Lumber by chopping up +Stumps+ and +Branches+." "+Stumps+ and +Branches+ can be found on the fields." "First, start by using this axe to make Lumber." "Even if you can't find any +Stumps+ or +Branches+, they will naturally grow over time.”

...Did you get all that? When you're done making Lumber, let me know.

Considering that I picked up every branch on the field to hold onto until now, that wasn’t hard at all.

Good, you did it. Let me read the rest of Forte's letter.

"Since you'll be using a lot of Lumber, storage is necessary." "So here's what you can use." "A Lumber/Stone Box" "You can pick up your Lumber and place it inside for storage."

A lot of lumber is right. There’s never as much material in this game as I need. I often devote half my fully expanded farm in the late game just to sitting there letting stumps and rocks build up so I can break them. But that’s another update, way down the line from now.

...That seems to be it. Very dry. But considerate! It seems you can also store "Material Stone" there...but I'll talk about that next time. Oh, by the way! Are you used to taking requests yet? I can give you +two+ per day starting tomorrow, if you want.

Woo, two requests per day. It maxes out at three, which I’ll unlock fairly quickly. Three per day isn’t nearly enough, of course, but one works with what one has.

I grabbed Forte, giver of axes, while I was in town, and hightailed it back to the forest. Everything has to go better this time. How much better?



This much better. That’s a golden cabbage I found in a chest. It’s one of the last vegetables you can unlock. It takes 4 months to grow, and sells for over 11000g. I just tripped over one in the very first dungeon. Life’s funny that way sometimes. I’m gonna be laughing all the way to the shipping bin.



Art and Forte have both been noting the large numbers of butterflies around here as I progress. They don’t do anything, just swarm together and fly deeper into the forest, so I’m sure there’s nothing to worry about.



Forte makes things blow up real good.



This place is taunting me with mineable rocks, before I have access to a hammer. Once I sell my cabbage I can just buy one from Bado, but I can’t in good conscience buy something the game is going to give me shortly.



More butterflies, mysterious something. I’m not worried, it’s not like the game is going to throw some kind of dangerous butterfly-themed boss at me.



See, it’s a cocooned caterpillar. Perfectly harmless!



Until you hit it a few times, turns out it is a butterfly-themed boss. Never could have seen that coming. Amazing plot twist really.

quote:

Ambrosia
Butterfly Boss of the Yokmir Forest

Ambrosia is one hell of a wake-up call. I’d forgotten how difficult she can be. Ambrosia has four major attacks, a quick dive and kick, standing still as a sonic attack radiates outward, filling most of the arena and hitting multiple times, a cloud of butterflies that drain the target’s life, healing her, and a short range AOE sleep cloud attack that sets up anybody it hits for the other three. She gets faster when her health reaches critical (approximately 25%, tough I’ve never looked too closely).

My choice of weapon for this fight is the shortsword, the ability to slash and run is worth a lot more than the extra damage and range of the long sword here. Forte uses a longsword to decent effect, but also gets hit by the sleep attack a lot.

So did I win the day? Hell no, we got our asses kicked and I gave it up as a raw deal for now. I don’t necessarily approve of grinding, but I do approve of buying more equipment with the sudden wealth I’m about to fall into.



On the plus side though, I had some turnips ready the next morning.

quote:

Monsters of the Update

Orc– Brutish humanoid with club.
Orc Archer- Equally brutish, but fights at range
Ant– Deadly in packs, and they only come in packs.
Beetle- Big, beefy, and has a nasty charge attack, but slow enough to not be too difficult to fight.



The full Yokmir Forest. Wow, what an impenetrable labyrinth.

Truthkeeper fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Feb 15, 2016

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
A golden cabbage!? :eyepop:
I didn't know that was possible!

For reference, when he says it "takes 4 months to grow", he means more like "4 seasons". The game's year is separated into 4 seasons, each one 30 days long.
That said, it takes 90 days to grow, which is 3 seasons or "only most of a year".

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

Grow times in this game can get very long for all the top tier plants. Gold cabbage isn't even the slowest plant. Some take over a year to grow. However though some trickery and luck you can dramatically reduce grows time. Like 1/6 to 1/8 of the grow time the seed claims to need.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

Truthkeeper posted:

A lot of lumber is right. There’s never as much material in this game as I need. I often devote half my fully expanded farm in the late game just to sitting there letting stumps and rocks build up so I can break them. But that’s another update, way down the line from now.
word to the wise: do NOT plant an entire field full of lumber trees.
Took me a week ingame and a day irl to clear that field.
It did leave me with 5K lumber though

Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

5'5", IQ 81


Oh god, clearing out the lumber and stone. Thank god for charging tools.

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT
Raven still cute.

By the way, you guys may enjoy a little manga called The Delicious Dungeon (or Dungeon Meshi). It's about a party of adventurers who lose one of their members in a battle gone wrong and have to dive the dungeon to rescue her, eating dungeon flora and fauna along the way. There's a Rune Factory-esque bit where they harvest vegetables grown on the back of earth golems.

http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/dungeon-meshi-r13871

Tarezax fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Feb 15, 2016

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

Funny thing about all the cameo characters is they have a massive multiplier for friendship points because they aren't always in town. Because Raven sell randomized crafting material I talk to her whenever I can. She is like 10 friendship levels above my levels with forte, despite handing forte her favored item every single day for a year.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

Tarezax posted:

Raven still cute.

By the way, you guys may enjoy a little manga called The Delicious Dungeon (or Dungeon Meshi). It's about a party of adventurers who lose one of their members in a battle gone wrong and have to dive the dungeon to rescue her, eating dungeon flora and fauna along the way. There's a Rune Factory-esque bit where they harvest vegetables grown on the back of earth golems.

http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/dungeon-meshi-r13871

Funny you would mention that here. I've just come to the conclusion that the author can basically do no wrong. I wish she was born 20 years earlier, so i'd have access to many more of her works.
Dungeon Meshi is real, real loving good in what it does: Being a fantasy world that works like common RPGs, but with the main character being Naked "But how does it taste?" Snake. Even if you've normally got no interest in manga, if you're here to read this LP you'll probably enjoy this.

It also has interesting spins on the usual adventure challenges and troubles: Okay, beating a living armor is one thing, but... what about the most important thing?

Zagglezig
Oct 16, 2012
Does the game get a greenhouse type area for extra fields? The field you were given didn't look especially large compared to a Harvest Moon field and if it's your only source of wood to chop, then I have to wonder. Granted the adventuring is probably a little more robust in giving you stuff than HM's wilderness exploration.

Truthkeeper posted:

The sound of a man yelping in main is pleasant.

Blind Duke
Nov 8, 2013
If I ever needed wood I would just clean up a dungeon garden

btw there are dungeon gardens

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.

Zagglezig posted:

Does the game get a greenhouse type area for extra fields?

As I recall, you can use prince points to expand your fields a couple times. Plus there are a couple of fields with special properties you can find in the great outdoors, and eventually you'll be able to access them quickly.

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

Zagglezig posted:

Does the game get a greenhouse type area for extra fields? The field you were given didn't look especially large compared to a Harvest Moon field and if it's your only source of wood to chop, then I have to wonder. Granted the adventuring is probably a little more robust in giving you stuff than HM's wilderness exploration.

There are permanent seasonal fields for each season. Though the spring one is tiny. And then you can expand on your personal farm to three times the size.

Truthkeeper
Nov 29, 2010

Friends don't let friends borrow on credit.

Shwqa posted:

There are permanent seasonal fields for each season. Though the spring one is tiny. And then you can expand on your personal farm to three times the size.

Five times the size, but yes, there's plenty of farming space available later one.

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
I never bothered expanding the farm very much, I barely had the patience to deal with the first plot of land, let alone all the extra fields. Mostly the second field is a place for me to collect bonus stone and lumber. Sometimes I'll plant a tree over there and forget about it.

Super Jay Mann
Nov 6, 2008

There's no way you'll have enough time to tend to five different fields each day later in the game, that just gets stressful and tedious. Highest I got to was three.

Aithon
Jan 3, 2014

Every puzzle has an answer.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't count as spoilers because monster hiring was mentioned - is there a way to get monsters to take care of the side fields? If I recall, the only options were to "take care of the left" and "take care of the right" and they'd just water plants on the left/right half of the first field.

And yeah, farming on more than one field quickly gets overwhelming, especially since they're kind of out of the way. You can pretty easily live off one field and sometimes monster drops, though.

ousire
Dec 11, 2013

Now, Red! Seal the deal with a catchy one-liner!

Truthkeeper posted:

Look forward to dragon riding in the dark times to come.
Be glad Venti didn't hear you say that :v:

Aithon posted:

I'm pretty sure it doesn't count as spoilers because monster hiring was mentioned - is there a way to get monsters to take care of the side fields? If I recall, the only options were to "take care of the left" and "take care of the right" and they'd just water plants on the left/right half of the first field.

And yeah, farming on more than one field quickly gets overwhelming, especially since they're kind of out of the way. You can pretty easily live off one field and sometimes monster drops, though.
Can you build / move monster barns out to the special fields and use them there?

if not, I suppose you could have monsters take care of the main field by the castle since it's so huge, then just manually handle the special fields. I believe this was what a friend did when he played the game, but it's been a while so I'm not sure.

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

I usually keep the main field for good crops for that season. That is where I use greenifier+s and try to make level 10 crops or money making crops. Then I use one other field to just plant a ton of turnips. Turnips seems to be a good intersection of low maintenance, quick growth, and decent skill orb return. Then I use the winter field for golden plants. And my autumn field for pumpkins. Boiled pumpkin is just so cheap and easy for RP regeneration. And for a while veggie smoothies were my biggest money maker.

Veggie smoothies made a ton of money by selling them at your shop. I never used it most of the game, but it seems most people will buy stuff at a general 20-30% price increase, but sometimes way higher than that. That ended being about 12,000 a smoothie. Usually there is 4-6 people in the center in the early morning, so I would quick sell to all of them each day. And tourism really increases the amount of random buyers.

Long story short the shop is actually really good in the late game.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

ousire posted:

Can you build / move monster barns out to the special fields and use them there?

Yes, each field can hold up to two barns, but let's not get too much into that yet, since it hasn't been covered by the LP yet.

Personally I don't find the fields to be too large, once you upgrade your tools watering etc becomes a breeze and you only need to keep one field with high soil quality to upgrade your crop levels.

Aithon
Jan 3, 2014

Every puzzle has an answer.
Oh, okay! I only had the one barn. Thanks for the answer and sorry for talking about future stuff.

mastersord
Feb 15, 2001

Gold Card Putty Fan Club
Member Since 2017!
Soiled Meat
Funny how you got a golden cabbage in the woods. I found a level 10 Turnip there in my game.

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

mastersord posted:

Funny how you got a golden cabbage in the woods. I found a level 10 Turnip there in my game.

That is honestly probably more valuable in the long run.

Blind Duke
Nov 8, 2013
I hope you get into the insane secret side of equipment crafting that I don't totally understand, but apparently I can boost a ring to 5x drop chance?

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Not even having a full set of tools yet seems a little bit early to be challenging the first boss. Maybe that's just me.

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

Glazius posted:

Not even having a full set of tools yet seems a little bit early to be challenging the first boss. Maybe that's just me.

On normal mode I managed to kill the boss on the first day without forte. Hard just makes things... well harder.

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT
In RF3 I was running out of RP before I could even get two screens into the first dungeon for the first week or two of playing. Pretty sure I would have run myself out of RP fighting the boss even if I just ran straight for him.

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.

Tarezax posted:

In RF3 I was running out of RP before I could even get two screens into the first dungeon for the first week or two of playing. Pretty sure I would have run myself out of RP fighting the boss even if I just ran straight for him.

In RF4, you no longer expend RP running around or fighting, only using magic or doing farming or crafting. At least, that's what I recall.

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

FredMSloniker posted:

In RF4, you no longer expend RP running around or fighting, only using magic or doing farming or crafting. At least, that's what I recall.

Running doesn't use RP. Basic attacks don't use RP. Combo attacks do use RP.

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.

Shwqa posted:

Running doesn't use RP. Basic attacks don't use RP. Combo attacks do use RP.

Well, the only time I remember having to manage RP in dungeons was if I got magic-heavy, so... I guess I just spammed attack a lot? :shrug:

Lunar Suite
Jun 5, 2011

If you love a flower which happens to be on a star, it is sweet at night to gaze at the sky. All the stars are a riot of flowers.
The Escape spell is pretty readily abusable in this game to supplement the high-energy lifestyle of today's multi-field earthmate. Together with one or two nifty Prince Point orders you can give later, distance ceases to be meaningful.

Also, yeah, the marriage options here are... slim. And all hetero. :<

Blind Duke
Nov 8, 2013
After a specific point you can change your character portrait to the reverse sex and be transqueer

Lunar Suite
Jun 5, 2011

If you love a flower which happens to be on a star, it is sweet at night to gaze at the sky. All the stars are a riot of flowers.

Blind Duke posted:

After a specific point you can change your character portrait to the reverse sex and be transqueer

Technically correct, the best kind of correct.

Truthkeeper
Nov 29, 2010

Friends don't let friends borrow on credit.
I’m Scared of Butterflies

Defeated by the foul boss of Yokmir, but never for long. So, I stopped by the inn one morning, where they have a reasonably priced public bath. Don’t let the presence of a clinic and a doctor fool you, this is where the real healing happens. Lin Fa and Xiao Pai are clearly powerful sorceresses.

Welcome. Oh my. This is the first time you've visited our baths, isn't it, Art?



Please stop by whenever you feel the need for a refreshing break. Oh, I know! Since you are still getting used to life in town, let me give you a special deal. You can use the bath free on your first five visits. A nice, relaxing bath is a lovely way to wash off sweat after a long day farming or adventuring.

Doesn’t even let me get a word in edgewise, but free bathing is a pretty good deal. I won’t get to come here for free again after I use these up until I spend 35000 prince points nationalizing the bathcare system.

And then there was Barret, a visitor from RF2.



Not going into any more detail on his cameo than Raven’s, but I guess his time in that game has given him a sixth sense for Earthmates. And the ability to tell me what items have been used to upgrade pieces of equipment I show him. Sort of useful, but the explanation can wait until I break down the crafting system.



The field is almost full (still of turnips, for now). These rocks are stopping me from using the whole thing, and that troubles me.



Eliza has a request for me, from Vishnal. There’s still not necessarily any proof that Art isn’t just imagining the box talking to him, and I think I prefer that interpretation.


"I'd like to request a shipment! First, place one turnip into the Shipping Box in the field. Items in the Shipping Box will all be shipped and paid for the next morning.



He even included a turnip in the letter for me to ship. Foolish butler, I’m the greatest farmer this town has ever seen.

Good, it seems you've done your part. Now remember! Any item placed in the Shipping Box will be shipped at +8:00+ that very morning or the next day. You can learn new things one by one just like this. Before you know it, you'll be a pro at handling requests!
Here, Vishnal sent you a letter.

"Wow, you did a great job! Oh, yes, I asked the general store to increase the variety of seeds they sell. Buy seeds at the store, grow them, and ship out as much produce as you can!" ♪

...And then it ends with... "Let's Happy Farming"?! Must be a joke...

If it’s a reference, I don’t get it. But I do get a second request, from Clorica.



Thank you sooo much. Now, I'd like to give you this sickle as a thank-you.

Sickle?



And...well, you can also get rid of weeds fairly quickly that way. It's a very useful tool for cleaning the field! ♪

It is indeed a very useful tool, critical for leveling up crops. And higher level crops are higher value crops.

Wow, thanks!

I'm impressed with the work you've done so far, Art. You seem to have really gotten the hang of handling requests from the Request Box!

Th-thanks. That's because Eliza has been helping me out a lot. And you and everybody else too, of course!

Eliza?

Yeah, the Request Box. She's a little wacko, but very helpful nonetheless.

I see. So you even name boxes, huh?

...?

That's kind of cute. Like playing with a doll!

Uh, erm...hmm?

Well, thanks again for your help!

Uh...Hmm...that's weird.... Does Clorica not know about Eliza?

And yet, for some reason, Art isn’t willing to bring this up with Eliza yet. Because he doesn’t want to accept the fact that he’s delusional.



And then I stopped at the Order symbol to pick up a couple licenses. Licenses are a prince point sink required to gain permission to do things like buy crafting stations or fly the airship. I’m picking up a chemistry license and basic cooking license, I’m close to being able to afford a chemistry set and at least one cooking station. Each license requires a short and easy quiz to acquire.







Porcoline likes to describe the cooking stations I can buy with a basic license. No explanation is ever given why I have to keep my knife, my mixer, my empty table, and all my other stations separate (at least at first, a later order will let me combine them into one unit)

Then, Bado had some words of wisdom for me.

Although I can't help you get your memory back... maybe I can offer help in other ways.

Bado…



You can slowly get your memory back while living in this town.

...That sounds perfect.

He’s a very wise dwarf, when he isn’t being stupid.

With the day wasted talking to people, I knocked off early, in hopes in doing more requests the next morning.

Like this one from Margaret.

"Have you gone shopping yet?"



"There are many stores in this town, such as the flower shop and the general store. I want you to try +buying Rice at the general store+, please. If you can't seem to find Rice, try switching shelves. Good luck!"

She even gave me the money to buy the rice. I’d still rather buy something useful like seeds or tools, but one works with what one is given.



And then I immediately turn 360 degrees and walk into another request, from Kiel (whom I may have missed introducing when I first met him and should rectify that later)..



"And today I'll teach you how to make Material Stone!

And so I was given a hammer and a terrible joke.

It's a +hammer+. You'd best put away that axe, 'cause it's hammer time!

"Material Stone can be made by hitting +Rocks+ and +Stones+ with a hammer. +Rocks+ and +Stones+ can be found in the fields. Try using the hammer to smash them up and collect Material Stone. No worries if you can't find any +Rocks+ or +Stones+ right away. You will, soon enough."

I found one. In my backpack, where I’ve been keeping it until now.

"You'll be using a lot of Material Stone. That's why you'll need to store it. This is where that Lumber/Stone Box Forte gave you will come in handy. You didn't break it, did you? By placing the Material Stone in there, you can store it easily! Hammers also have another important function. And that's +mining+! By hitting the +minerals+ in dungeons, you can get Iron and Bronze. This is called +mining+. If you find a mineral in a dungeon, try hitting it with your hammer.
You will definitely be using Iron and Bronze to make good farm tools and weapons."

He’s not kidding, I’m going to need a lot of both.

Today I picked up my first crafting station, the No Utensils cooking station. Which allows me to throw things together in bowls or on plates. Clearly this requires a specific crafting station and can’t be done just anywhere.



quote:

Cooking is the easiest form of crafting in the game, but they all follow the same steps. You’re given a list of your known recipes, and choose to either make one or make something from scratch. Then You’re given the chance to choose up to six ingredients from your backpack and other storage. If you input the items that correspond to a recipe you know, you make that dish. If you don’t know the recipe, but still choose items that make something (like my pickled turnips here), you’ll make it, but at a higher RP cost, and learn the recipe. Cooking gets interesting when you add additional ingredients on top of the required ones. As long as it’s edible, and doesn’t change the recipe to another recipe entirely, any added ingredient will turn ordinary cooked food into a prepared dish, which has a higher value.



More importantly for me right now, cooked food restores a lot more HP/RP than raw food, and gives stat buffs that last a few hours of game time.



The downside? Cooked food doesn’t stack.

After my turnip pickling spree, my incessant need to run around talking to random people brought me to Ventuswill.

Good morning, Art.
Good morning, Venti.

How fare your memories?

Well...

...I see.



Little by little, yeah.

No, no. You are doing well. Very well. Especially in the fields. The crops you harvest are especially powerful.
Not many can raise crops so bursting with life.

Really?
Yes. You have my word on that.

Thanks.

Accordingly... I have a special request which requires a skilled person such as yourself.

What is it?

Yes. I would like for you to explore the Yokmir Forest for me.

The Yokmir Forest?

Art, this isn’t Metal Gear Solid.

Yes. There has been a foul air about the place recently.



Me? I...

...?

Erm, whatever the case, you are the one best suited for the job.

Well obviously. After all, I’m the God Dragon Emperor King Supreme round these parts.

Why?

Well...

Because you possibly have the best...aptitude, should I say?

???

Anyway! You are the one most fit for the mission! It is likely to be difficult, but will you do it for me?

All right.

I kinda already did it, but she wants the boss defeated too I suppose.

So you will! Excellent! I knew I could count on you, Art! ♪ Go on, then! I know you will not fail me!

So now I have marching orders. Explore the Yokmir Forest or die trying! But first, fishing!

Because the magical talking box said so.

Vishnal is looking for fish.
So I've prepared something especially for you.
It's a fishing pole.
Let me explain how to +go fishing+.



When you spot a fish, equip a fishing pole and press B while facing it. You might scare away the fish if you hit it with a float, though, so be careful. Once the fish notices the float, it'll start poking at it. When it bites, you'll hear it yanking at the pole...and that's when you press B! As long as you press it at the right moment, it shouldn't be very difficult to score a catch. You should go give it a try!



And so I did. Dragon Lake is west of Selphia, just past the clinic. Fishing is dull. It was absurdly profitable in RF3, so they went a little overboard nerfing it in 4. There are certain useful items that can be acquired through fishing, and I want a complete shipping list, so I’ll have to do a fair amount of it.

My, my, it's the very fish I'd requested! Thank you so much! Please, take this as a reward.



Eliza...?

Let's try this. Have you ever heard the Request Box talking?

Th-the Request Box?! Erm, I...can't say that I have.

I see...

Oh, I'm truly sorry, but I must be off!

All right.

Thank you again for the fish! Goodbye!

Lest isn’t doing a very good job of hiding his delusion from others. And yet he still doesn’t want to bring it up with Eliza until he completes more requests.

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silversatyr
Jul 29, 2014

Go on an adventure ordained by fate?
-->Okay! I'll grab my stuff!

-->Eh.

Super Jay Mann posted:

There's no way you'll have enough time to tend to five different fields each day later in the game, that just gets stressful and tedious. Highest I got to was three.

There is, you just have to have some get-go in your step. I usually finish then and animal tending by 10/11am, maybe a little later with a heavy load.
Basically - you just abuse the hell out of the teleport spell, upgraded watering can and the airship.


This one is one of my favourite games out of the series - 3 is a close second. I actually find each of the bachelors and bachelorettes quite charming and sweet in their own way. Sadly, I'm stuck with the horse (don't get me wrong, I do like him a lot) because I didn't know the last bachelor existed and apparently he is determined not to like me, even though I quite like him. It's the colours.


Also, RF4 is continuing the fine tradition of locking away characters who would be great bachelor/ettes and making them unchoosable. Hello, a certain other elf who I wanted to date so bad! Hello Jones (okay, I know he's married but to be fair I wanted to date his wife too. Let me be a home-wrecker!) Hello Lin Fa~<3

I'm sick of prepubescent girls and boys. Seriously, why can't we date the flower detective?!

silversatyr fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Mar 3, 2016

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