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Dejan Bimble posted:Is there an audience for Bill Simmons pop culture website? This is precisely the wrong place to ask, but do any of you care to read that stuff? Do The Bachelor recaps draw traffic?
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Alex Pappademas had some great pieces for Grantland. I especially loved his writing on comic books, like his history of Doctor Strange, or why Cyclops is the best.
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Benne posted:I am embarrassed for my employer right now SB Nation, or ESPN? Anyway, I read that SB Nation article, and it was predictably utter trash. Classic victim erasure, classic humanizing of a predator, lots of focus on how hard it is for Holtzclaw's family. Most of the (very sparse) mentions of the victims were accompanied by asides about how the women were streetwalkers or otherwise "troubled". How the hell it saw the light of day is beyond me.
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I can't imagine what the editors at SB Nation were thinking, especially since they've been pushing their "It's On Us" campaign on addressing sexual violence for quite a while now. EDIT: Apology is up. http://www.sbnation.com/2016/2/17/11038614/a-note-from-the-editorial-director HMS Beagle fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Feb 18, 2016 |
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HMS Beagle posted:I can't imagine what the editors at SB Nation were thinking, especially since they've been pushing their "It's On Us" campaign on addressing sexual violence for quite a while now. For funzies, compare this action to the delayed, defensive non-apology that came from Grantland's own Bill Simmons after they published a story where their writer outed a trans woman to her backers who then killed herself.
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Benne posted:How the gently caress did that piece even go up if senior editors were rejecting it Also, someone (or more than one) is definitely losing their job over this.
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Benne posted:How the gently caress did that piece even go up if senior editors were rejecting it I'm more curious how a story like that even got the green light to be reported on. I can only imagine an out and out fabrication by the author in order to get them to even look at his piece. It's truly nauseating to read.
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Kalli posted:Also apparently Whitlock and Shaun King had a twitter... meltdown? freakout? what the hell do you even call something with stuff like this in the middle: I don't know much about Shaun King but he seems like a grade A nutjob also based on my very limited exposure to him (although his Michael Brown reporting was excellent) No winners here but I know I am a loser for reading both their twitter feeds for 10 minutes trying to figure out what was going on.
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Kalli posted:Also apparently Whitlock and Shaun King had a twitter... meltdown? freakout? what the hell do you even call something with stuff like this in the middle:
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Shaun King's twitter is the best. I am pretty sure the highlight is "I'm done engaging Whitlock" followed by a minimum of 40 more tweets about him/on this subject over the course of the next 8 hours. It is no small feat to make the current Whitlock look sane but goddamn if Shaun King did not accomplish it.
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Feb 18, 2016 01:54
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KICK BAMA KICK posted:Who was the author on the Holtzclaw piece? Some freelance dude who covered Eastern Michigan football when Holtzclaw played there, which should've been the first red flag when this got pitched.
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The thing that's so amazing about that Holtzclaw piece was that it wasn't just something thrown up in a hurry to try and catch some eyeballs, like so much of what gets published at places like Gawker and Vox and Buzzfeed and so on - it was a longform article that had to have gone through multiple levels of editing and which had its own animated banner header graphic. It was clearly positioned to be a Prestige piece of Important writing. It wasn't just some editor clearing out their queue as they were rushing out the door or having to meet a deadline. I'd be fascinated to know how many people signed off this thing being published.
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FMguru posted:The thing that's so amazing about that Holtzclaw piece was that it wasn't just something thrown up in a hurry to try and catch some eyeballs, like so much of what gets published at places like Gawker and Vox and Buzzfeed and so on - it was a longform article that had to have gone through multiple levels of editing and which had its own animated banner header graphic.
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Gerund posted:For funzies, compare this action to the delayed, defensive non-apology that came from Grantland's own Bill Simmons after they published a story where their writer outed a trans woman to her backers who then killed herself. I have to say that this SBnation article was 10000 times worse than the Grantland article you refer to.
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Feb 18, 2016 02:27
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The other problem with the article is that it's loving horribly written. Just paragraph after paragraph of that insufferable purple prose you see from hacky "longform" pieces, where the author thinks "more words=deeper." This shouldn't have been 5,000 words, let along 12,000. And that's even before you get into the offensive content.
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Feb 18, 2016 03:12
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howe_sam posted:Alex Pappademas had some great pieces for Grantland. I especially loved his writing on comic books, like his history of Doctor Strange, or why Cyclops is the best. His "football" column early in Grantland's life was also amazing. He was probably my second favorite writer there after Phillips. Both of them are with MTV now though. I don't really have strong feelings one way or the other about anyone they've announced so far for The Ringer. I like Greenwald a lot as a podcast host but his columns are garbage.
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Benne posted:The other problem with the article is that it's loving horribly written. Just paragraph after paragraph of that insufferable purple prose you see from hacky "longform" pieces, where the author thinks "more words=deeper." The weird thing is it isn't like SBNation hasn't dealt with stuff like this before, and done it really well. The Mel Hall piece from a while back was great. I mean I'm sure a lot of that is the quality of the writer, but some editing had to happen there too.
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I didn't see it before it was nuked, but this excerpt makes it look like a failure of editing on multiple levels
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morestuff posted:I didn't see it before it was nuked, but this excerpt makes it look like a failure of editing on multiple levels Benne please confirm if SBNation writers are paid by the comma.
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Spoeank posted:Benne please confirm if SBNation writers are paid by the comma. I can promise this thread that when I'm working the copy editor shifts I crack down on this poo poo. But I'm not important enough to edit the big longform pieces anyway, so.
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Alain Post posted:I loving hate Brian Phillips. This is the worst opinion. I've been glancing at MTV News since they got all those people and its layout is awful.
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Henchman of Santa posted:This is the worst opinion. They're apparently changing it within the next month
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morestuff posted:I didn't see it before it was nuked, but this excerpt makes it look like a failure of editing on multiple levels Enjoy the whole thing: http://archive.is/O3Gub
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Zero One posted:Enjoy the whole thing: http://archive.is/O3Gub I don't get what the point of the piece was. Did he try to make this some kind of Making a Murderer type story to cash-in on that popularity? Was he trying to do a complex profile of the guy but is just really lovely at writing? Or was the whole thing an earnest attempt to portray him as innocent? I mean it's Vox Media so standards shouldn't be super high but how the hell does such a poorly written piece make it through and get promoted?
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Not being familiar with publication editing and publication processes, what is a general overview of how articles get published (in print too if possible)? I'd imagine quick turnaround stuff has an editor or two that looks at it and someone else handles approval by department, but for major longform stuff like that article, how many eyes actually hit the content before it goes live?
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GobiasIndustries posted:Not being familiar with publication editing and publication processes, what is a general overview of how articles get published (in print too if possible)? I'd imagine quick turnaround stuff has an editor or two that looks at it and someone else handles approval by department, but for major longform stuff like that article, how many eyes actually hit the content before it goes live? A dozen sets of eyes at a bare minimum. More than half are just proofreaders and copy editors with no voice on content, but the number of people about to get fired over this article (not counting the writer, who is a freelancer, or I should probably now say was a freelancer) is likely going to be more than 1.
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GobiasIndustries posted:Not being familiar with publication editing and publication processes, what is a general overview of how articles get published (in print too if possible)? I'd imagine quick turnaround stuff has an editor or two that looks at it and someone else handles approval by department, but for major longform stuff like that article, how many eyes actually hit the content before it goes live? Not only would more than five (safe estimate) people have had to look at it in its final form, most major longform pieces are edited multiple times during production. This author didn't write 12,000 words and then turn it in, it had people looking at it throughout its entire development. I imagine what happened went like this: "hey, I covered that rapist cop when he played in college, why don't you let me do a story about why so many people are defending him and believe he's innocent" Which 1.) is a legitimately interesting topic and 2.) A vocal minority in Oklahoma (I live here) actually believe he's innocent. (Of course it should have been killed at "I covered him in college.") Anyway, the writer was clearly not talented enough to produce what they were expecting, but someone high up probably loved the concept and the writer spent a LOT of time writing it (and was going to be paid regardless,) so there would have been a lot of pressure to just publish the goddamn thing. How this happens somewhere as large as SBNation, I don't know.
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IMB posted:I imagine what happened went like this: "hey, I covered that rapist cop when he played in college, why don't you let me do a story about why so many people are defending him and believe he's innocent" Which 1.) is a legitimately interesting topic and 2.) A vocal minority in Oklahoma (I live here) actually believe he's innocent. It's not a legitimately interesting topic. So people close to the rapist can't believe he did it? That's not really news, or shocking, or anything to base a long-form piece on. And I'm not surprised that there is a vocal minority who believes he's innocent. I mean, there are groups of people that literally deny that rape is a thing. Of course there's going to be a group that thinks the black women he raped are lying (and they're probably racist and stupid and certainly not worthy of any sort of attention paid to them).
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I don't know, the fall from grace of some former athlete turned cop turned rapist is an interesting story, but that's not what ended up being written. Never mind the fact that he was so small-time. It's one thing if it's Lawrence Taylor, but he was just some dude. It's still weird to me that it was commissioned, but it could have been an interesting story in the right hands.
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If that many senior staff objected to it, it had to be something like a super high up person with money insisted they do the story as a favor to the dumbass who wrote it and assured them it would not be that bad and all blow over. Except it wasn't and it didn't.
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I promise "Its a sports version of "Making a Murderer"" was bandied about at some point.
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Can we get Jason Whitlock and Shaun King's opinion on the article? I'd really like to find the motivation to go mental and suicide bomb or something
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