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Don't know if I was like that last person to find out about this: https://chocolatey.org/ But if you've ever thought hey, I'd love to have a command line tool to install apps similar to APT or YUM or Yaourt well there you go.
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I have an old laptop made into an HTPC. It had a Pentium 6100 first-gen Core i CPU with integrated graphics. It worked just fine. I recently swapped in a Core i5-560M and its integrated graphics are fine, too. I use the machine with Netflix, Plex, Kodi, and as a Steam streaming client. I've been working with a bunch of XP and Vista era Core 2 Duo laptops (2006-07) and Windows 10. If you max out the RAM (typically the max is 4GB DDR2 in this era of machine) and put in a $40 120GB SSD, the laptops behave pretty well. Laptops with Intel 945 & 965 chipset graphics work just fine. One of the machines has Nvidia Quadro NVS 110M graphics, which have no official drivers for Windows 8 or 10. There are some hackjob ways to make it work, but it worked out better to put Neverware Cloudready (Chromium OS) on that machine.
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Feb 20, 2016 03:32
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wolrah posted:Surprisingly after looking it up Intel's actually the worst. AMD does not have full drivers for 2000-4000 series in Windows 10. This document among others explains that they only have a Windows Update driver available which should be usable, but does not allow use of the Catalyst Control Center like full drivers in Windows 7/8 would and will not be receiving any further support. If you have something older than that, you may be able to use Vista/7 drivers to make it work (also without Catalyst Control Center, of course). I was able to get a Radeon 9550 working using the Vista drivers.
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Feb 20, 2016 04:01
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Stanley Pain posted:Don't know if I was like that last person to find out about this: The first thing I do nowadays when spinning up a PC is install chocolatey and then browse through Ninite's application list and install them via chocolate just ran choco upgrade all, for the hell of it code:
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Feb 20, 2016 06:42
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Hadlock posted:steam v1.0.0.5 is the latest version available based on your source(s). Chocolatey uses defaults. Steam by default installs to Program Files. If you install Steam in Program Files, that's the only place (absent Steam Mover bullshit) you can install games on your system drive (which is presumably your only SSD, which matters for some games now), and being in Program Files is a good way to break games because games do dumb poo poo like take their mods or even save to their operating directory and this doesn't play well with the program file protection imposed on Program Files. Don't install Steam in Program Files.
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Feb 20, 2016 09:58
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Back when I kept games around on a seperate disk because my OS disk was an 80GB SSD, I just created a symmetrical link between %programfiles%\Steam\SteamApps and D:\Games (with D: being a 2TB WD Black). Alternatively, there's a program called Steam Mover which'll move games betweeen two folders for you to take advantage an SSD with some space (but not enough to keep all the games you want installed).
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Feb 20, 2016 11:54
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Sir Unimaginative posted:Chocolatey uses defaults. Steam by default installs to Program Files. Nonsense, Steam has natively supported installing games to different locations for a long time now.  You just have to set up one or more additional Steam Library Folders on the Downloads page in Settings.
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Feb 20, 2016 13:17
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Okay, go try setting up a library on the same drive Steam's installed on. I'll wait. "why would I want to do that  ": You'd do it to avoid Program Files madness, if you can't spare 90 seconds to install Steam through its actual installer, to somewhere sane, like I just suggested. (And if you can't spare that 90 seconds, once in any given Windows environment - which should last for however long it is between Windows upgrades at least - how do you even have time for video games.)"that's not how windows works  ": Game programmers are notoriously bad at actually adhering to standards. You can get all granular about it for whatever system development rigor you're championing this week, or you can put Steam somewhere else, once, and not have to worry about it again. I'm not suggesting any other programs be installed outside of Program Files.
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Feb 20, 2016 13:21
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Sir Unimaginative posted:Okay, go try setting up a library on the same drive Steam's installed on. No really, that makes no sense. Also never had any issues with Steam being in Program Files. Though probably because of these permissions set up by Steam's installer. Yes arguably a bad idea, but really no more or less secure than having it anywhere else.
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Feb 20, 2016 13:29
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nielsm posted:No really, that makes no sense. Oh, well then of course it- nielsm posted:Though probably because of these permissions set up by Steam's installer. Yes arguably a bad idea, but really no more or less secure than having it anywhere else.  I'm legitimately surprised Microsoft hasn't talked to Valve about this.
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Feb 20, 2016 13:39
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Sir Unimaginative posted:being in Program Files is a good way to break games because games do dumb poo poo like take their mods or even save to their operating directory and this doesn't play well with the program file protection imposed on Program Files. Really don't think this has been an issue since pre-SP1 vista; changes to program files happened so long ago that just about everything knows it needs to get permissions and does so.
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Feb 20, 2016 13:40
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Khablam posted:Really don't think this has been an issue since pre-SP1 vista; changes to program files happened so long ago that just about everything knows it needs to get permissions and does so. 
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Feb 20, 2016 14:07
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Khablam posted:Really don't think this has been an issue since pre-SP1 vista; changes to program files happened so long ago that just about everything knows it needs to get permissions and does so. I mean, you'd think so, but..
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Feb 20, 2016 14:19
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Sir Unimaginative posted:Okay, go try setting up a library on the same drive Steam's installed on. Ok, seriously, what problem do you think you're avoiding here? This reeks of "install Windows 2000 on your core i5 so your games go faster!".
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Feb 20, 2016 15:51
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Flipperwaldt posted:Hahaha Do you have examples? I haven't seen the behaviour you're describing in basically forever. Steam guy is for sure performing a workaround without first gauging whether there's even a problem; I guarantee the overwhelming majority of users install in the default location and never have an issue.
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Feb 20, 2016 16:00
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Khablam posted:Do you have examples? I haven't seen the behaviour you're describing in basically forever. Steam guy is for sure performing a workaround without first gauging whether there's even a problem; I guarantee the overwhelming majority of users install in the default location and never have an issue. There's all sorts of bullshit business-line applications out there that don't play well with post-2006 program files restrictions. The guy you quoted isn't saying Steam is one of those though.
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Feb 20, 2016 16:05
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Sir Unimaginative posted:
The "correct" solution would probably be to only have a service running as an account with limited write access to just that folder do all the installation stuff, and then for games that depend on files in the install being writable, have some folder redirection magic, or worst case single-file special permissions, set up. And you might have to write manifests for each game, declaring what it needs. Good luck getting that to actually work reliably. If you install Steam somewhere else, you still end up having a user-writable folder full of executables. It just isn't below Program Files.
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Feb 20, 2016 16:11
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Sir Unimaginative posted:Okay, go try setting up a library on the same drive Steam's installed on.
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Feb 20, 2016 17:57
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Given that Windows will happily let you run an .exe file from your own desktop or mydocs, making a folder or part of a folder in Program Files "Full Control: Everyone" is absolutely meaningless. Now, if you're in a corporate environment and use Software Restriction Policies to lock down running of executables to a whitelist of locations, then yep, it becomes a problem. Everyone in here who sets up Software Restriction Policies on their home PC raise their hand. Looks like that's zero of us. This isn't to say that Steam isn't "doing it wrong" if you go by the letter of the law. They absolutely are, and that's why most games installers (like MMOs and poo poo) that require user-initiated updates, install to ProgramData and not Program Files.
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Feb 20, 2016 18:13
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ilkhan posted:Yeah, not sure what you are trying to avoid here. The full permissions steam applies to the common folder bypasses everything you are complaining about, while also treating steam itself like everything else in program files. If you install elsewhere what exactly do you gain? I guess one time right after Vista came out a single Steam game had an issue because of UAC. Therefore no one should ever install Steam to Program Files ever again?
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Feb 20, 2016 19:11
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Khablam posted:Do you have examples? I haven't seen the behaviour you're describing in basically forever. Steam guy is for sure performing a workaround without first gauging whether there's even a problem; I guarantee the overwhelming majority of users install in the default location and never have an issue. Hell, even the media creation tool from Micosoft and the updater to update your OS to Windows 10 crap out with a cryptic error code instead of properly asking for permissions when started as standard user. Admittedly not all necessarily looking to write in the Program Files folder specifically, but same thing really; lessons which had to be learnt from Vista that... haven't been. Plus, like fishmech mentioned, all the propietary corporate crap. It's still out there, being written as we speak.
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Feb 20, 2016 20:53
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Flipperwaldt posted:Yeah, not referring to anything Steam related at all. Was just reminded in the vst thread about the drm manager installer from Waves, a major player in the synthesizer/effects plug in community, that couldn't handle this. Newly written last year. Also had a mouse driver that wouldn't function on anything other than the defaults when logged on as a standard user.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:00
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ilkhan posted:Turn UAC back on.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:01
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Flipperwaldt posted:Never turned it off, pal. (Unless this is new behaviour since TH2, where I did exactly the above to upgrade some family PCs)
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Khablam posted:You have something wonky there then, because if you are running a standard account and run the tool, it prompts for admin rights under UAC and works fine. I'm an idiot in many ways, but I'm not the "turn off uac" idiot, anyway 
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Factor Mystic posted:See if BlueScreenView http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html can tell you which driver. Thanks for the suggestion; I took a look and I've gotten ten random "kernel_security_check_failure" crashes over the last month, and NIRSoft seems to be flagging my Xbox One controller driver every time? Each entry has this highlighted:  Guess I'm hosed because it happened a month ago when I only had a normal Xbox One controller, and this month with my Xbox One Elite controller I just snagged on refurb. It might specifically be my Xbox One Wireless Receiver Dongle for PC, I can take that out of the equation and see how it goes using only wired USB. It could also be that I'm routing my audio through the 3.5" headphone jack on the controller. Edit: I'm realizing I've crashed even more than that too because I often hit the reset button before the log finished writing. Good thing my PC reboots in 4 seconds... Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Feb 21, 2016 |
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Feb 21, 2016 04:49
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Sir Unimaginative posted:Okay, go try setting up a library on the same drive Steam's installed on. I've done this, and it worked fine? I can even select which location I want at install (either Program Files or C:/Steam/etc). fishmech posted:Ok, seriously, what problem do you think you're avoiding here? This reeks of "install Windows 2000 on your core i5 so your games go faster!". There are some Skyrim mods which don't work because of permissions issues. I've yet to see an issue with an actual retail game though.
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Feb 21, 2016 06:31
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Programs and apps I have full screened on my primary monitor (games, Netflix, etc) keep minimizing as soon as I click the desktop or another window on my secondary monitor, when they never did before. Does anyone have any idea why they're doing that? Chrome doesn't seem to be affected when I fullscreen videos, so it isn't everything.
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Feb 21, 2016 11:45
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Programs and apps I have full screened on my primary monitor (games, Netflix, etc) keep minimizing as soon as I click the desktop or another window on my secondary monitor, when they never did before. Does anyone have any idea why they're doing that? Chrome doesn't seem to be affected when I fullscreen videos, so it isn't everything. I think that's normal and unavoidable for games running in true fullscreen mode, and is one of the reasons for the existence of "windowed fullscreen" mode in a lot of games where it runs in a window sized and positioned so it fills the screen area with game content. No idea regarding Netflix, assuming you're talking about the Windows Store app. I just typed this on my second monitor while it played Archer fullscreen on my main.
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Feb 21, 2016 22:33
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Once you've snapped a window to a location, is there an easy way to get it back to its original size/location? For example, if I snap a window to the left half of the screen, I have to snap it up twice (once to go to the upper-left corner, once to maximize), then snap down to get back to the original location and size.
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Feb 23, 2016 18:54
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so what's the deal with Cortana's touchpad gesture activating literally all the time? it's supposed to be four fingers on the touchpad that opens Cortana, not one finger moving the cursor. anybody experience this?
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Feb 23, 2016 21:16
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hooah posted:Once you've snapped a window to a location, is there an easy way to get it back to its original size/location? For example, if I snap a window to the left half of the screen, I have to snap it up twice (once to go to the upper-left corner, once to maximize), then snap down to get back to the original location and size.
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Feb 23, 2016 21:45
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Turdsdown Tom posted:so what's the deal with Cortana's touchpad gesture activating literally all the time? sounds like it could be a bad touchpad. Have you tried re-installing the drivers?
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Feb 23, 2016 22:01
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Ghostlight posted:The snap hotkeys, Win+Right/Left Arrow, will unsnap back to the original location. You can even use them to 'scroll' through locations on multiple monitors - starting on the left monitor Win+Left will do the following in order: Snap to left Monitor 1, Snap to right Monitor 2, unsnapped in original location but on monitor 2, Snap to left Monitor 2, Snap to right Monitor 1, unsnapped in original location on monitor 1.  I could've sworn I'd tried just going in the opposite direction, but obviously not!
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Feb 24, 2016 03:31
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Ghostlight posted:The snap hotkeys, Win+Right/Left Arrow, will unsnap back to the original location. You can even use them to 'scroll' through locations on multiple monitors - starting on the left monitor Win+Left will do the following in order: Snap to left Monitor 1, Snap to right Monitor 2, unsnapped in original location but on monitor 2, Snap to left Monitor 2, Snap to right Monitor 1, unsnapped in original location on monitor 1. You can also use shift+win+ left/right to move a window to a different monitor without snapping
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Feb 24, 2016 12:08
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Segmentation Fault posted:sounds like it could be a bad touchpad. Have you tried re-installing the drivers? yeah it's just a regular old Synaptics touchpad. the drivers work great for the rest of the gestures and my customizations still work, so I ended up just disabling all 3+ finger gestures for the time being until I can figure out the problem
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Feb 24, 2016 19:04
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Can someone who is on win 10 and booting with uefi do me a huge favour? I've lost the Microsoft directory from my EFI system partition, so can someone open an admin command promptd and do: Mountvol s: /s Then zip up s:\efi\microsoft and shove it on dropbox or somewhere for me?
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Feb 25, 2016 10:38
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Lum posted:Can someone who is on win 10 and booting with uefi do me a huge favour? Someone set my dumb rear end straight. I'm not in UEFI mode to see it. Irritated Goat fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Feb 25, 2016 |
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Feb 25, 2016 16:24
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Lum posted:Can someone who is on win 10 and booting with uefi do me a huge favour?  Which makes me think I can only get you copies of those if I were to boot into a different OS and look at the partition from there? Sorry  Did you try booting from windows install media and using the repair option? I feel like it may be able to fix this. If not I'd probably just reinstall at that point, but you may know more than me about a better solution
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The repair options couldn't find the windows partition even though it was right bloody there and vision from the command prompt. Ended up doing a flatten and reinstall. I'm dual booting this laptop with Linux Mint because I'm sick of the Skylake graphics driver crashes that intel are never fixing, so Windows 10 is just there for games now, so a clean install with little installed except Steam isn't really a bad thing. Thank you for trying, both of you.
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