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While SSV has expressed a tiny bit of suspicion on Jose, it's nothing in comparison to how muchI have. If I'm the scum, it's basically saying that I got ultra lucky and the guy who I've been railing against all game happened to be the vig kill. Alternately, I'm town and vigged the guy who I've been calling scum all game.
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Votecount for Day 3  SirSamVimes (2): Quandary, chaoslord Quandary (1): SirSamVimes Not Voting (5): BottleKnight, Flying Leatherman, imgay, Max, The Lord of HatsWith 8 alive, it's 5 votes to lynch. The current deadline is February 22nd, 2016 at 9 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 day, 21 hours.
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Feb 21, 2016 05:46
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Quandary posted:While SSV has expressed a tiny bit of suspicion on Jose, it's nothing in comparison to how muchI have. If I'm the scum, it's basically saying that I got ultra lucky and the guy who I've been railing against all game happened to be the vig kill. Alternately, I'm town and vigged the guy who I've been calling scum all game. You're trying to take advantage of it being mylo and trying to cause one more mislynch. It doesn't matter to you that I'll flip vig and you'll be outed as scum, because you'll have already won. I bet that if I had vigged someone else, a different member of the scumteam would have claimed the kill.
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Feb 21, 2016 05:50
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Here's the way I see it: we're at MYLO, which means if we screw this up we lose. There is nothing to be lost, as far as I can tell, by waiting another day and seeing if we can get any information out of night stuff. Maybe we get lucky and get a track on a nightkill or a cop investigation we can use, depending on which setup we're in. I don't want to risk the game on a coin toss, and if we defer this decision to tomorrow we get more data to work with. ##Vote: No Lynch
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Feb 21, 2016 13:47
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We don't have a cop, I think.
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Feb 21, 2016 13:49
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Well, we either have a cop or a tracker.
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Feb 21, 2016 13:50
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I'd rather we not no Lynch. That has the possibility of killing the power role that would help us and then, oops, we're still up poo poo creek.
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Feb 21, 2016 13:52
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I am actually more bothered by Quandary swooping in the moment after the vig claimed.
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Feb 21, 2016 14:00
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Who hasn't checked in yet?
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Feb 21, 2016 14:02
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Max posted:I'd rather we not no Lynch. That has the possibility of killing the power role that would help us and then, oops, we're still up poo poo creek. I'm going to freely assume the scum will be nightkilling tonight, so realistically we have the same chance of losing the PR one way or another. The only difference is that we don't risk losing the game today.
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Feb 21, 2016 14:23
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My fear is that one of the people claiming vig is actually a godfather, and a cop investigation would give us nothing, if that's the setup we have.
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Feb 21, 2016 14:27
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Max posted:My fear is that one of the people claiming vig is actually a godfather, and a cop investigation would give us nothing, if that's the setup we have. Right, and that's fine, but let me present some other situations for you. If it's setup 3, then we have the chance of getting a track on the scum doing the nightkill, and then all of a sudden we have a whole new set of data to work off of. Or we're in setup 4, and the cop investigates someone else who turns up scum. I mean, there are a lot of scenarios here in which we are better off tomorrow than we are today and none where we're in a worse place, and saying that there's no benefit to waiting doesn't make sense to me.
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Feb 21, 2016 14:35
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My fear is that by No lunching, we end up (at least) with one less town voice in the mix, giving scum a better edge then they have now. In fact, it would only take 4 votes to lunch at that point, which means one incorrect vote and it's game over. I feel like we're just prolonging our pain that way. At worst, we lose a power role and then we're definitely right back where we started today.
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Feb 21, 2016 15:03
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Max posted:I am actually more bothered by Quandary swooping in the moment after the vig claimed. I posted to claim my vig whenever i woke up saw the thread was open. You know I'm abroad, my post was at like 8 am my time.
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Feb 21, 2016 15:11
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Re read SSV's vig claim post. He knew he was going to be counter claimed and immediately went on the defensive, explaining why he would have vigged Jose before anyone evn asked the question. Town wouldn't do that. Town would claim the vig and expect to not be counter claimed, and as such wouldnt defend themselves immediately.
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Feb 21, 2016 15:17
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Also I flew to Luang Prabang, Laos today and it's cool as poo poo. If you ever get the opportunity to come here I would highly recommend it.
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Feb 21, 2016 15:18
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Quandary posted:Re read SSV's vig claim post. He knew he was going to be counter claimed and immediately went on the defensive, explaining why he would have vigged Jose before anyone evn asked the question. I'm really not reading his vig claim as defensive, I read it as claiming and explaining his target.
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Feb 21, 2016 15:29
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I agree that we lynch tonight--what it comes down to is weighing whether we value the chance at additional info for this single lynch more than we value having an extra town going past today, and I don't think we do. If we no-lynch, I think we put ourselves in permanent LYLO going forward, right?
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Feb 21, 2016 17:22
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The Lord of Hats posted:I agree that we lynch tonight--what it comes down to is weighing whether we value the chance at additional info for this single lynch more than we value having an extra town going past today, and I don't think we do. If we no-lynch, I think we put ourselves in permanent LYLO going forward, right? Hats are you the other scum?
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Feb 21, 2016 17:49
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There's three scum, not two. And no, I am not scum.
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Feb 21, 2016 17:56
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The Lord of Hats posted:There's three scum, not two. Right, and the three are BK, SSV, and ???
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Feb 21, 2016 18:17
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After a lot of thought, I think it's Quandary. ##vote Quandary We should still be safe from scum hammering if I'm wrong.
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Feb 21, 2016 20:54
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These are all car thoughts since I was driving back to Philadelphia from my dad's and had a lot of time to mull this over. Quandary has been pinging me something fierce the last game day, with his on again, off again votes on Jose. Something about his posting has seemed like he's been following other people more than actually generating his own thoughts. I really don't like how fast he came in on SSV after they claimed vig. I also don't think his characterization of SSV's vig claim makes sense to me. When you're the vig, you explain your target, which SSV did. That doesn't seem inherently scummy. No one is coming to defend SSV here and push Quandary in the other direction, which I would expect from scum buddies so close to winning the game, since we are mlylo. In fact, we had someone shoot in and go. Finally, I don't think we'll learn anything from no-lunching. In fact, I think we stand to lose even more since it's possible a power role will be targeted / I am still concerned this is a gambit to bait the cop investigation because we may be in a godfather/cop setup.
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Feb 21, 2016 20:59
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Those are my thoughts, god bless.
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Feb 21, 2016 20:59
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My thoughts are that it deeply saddens me that my liege has turned traitor and I must side with Jocasta herself.
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Feb 21, 2016 21:38
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Also, while this is in extreme WIFOM territory, I'd imagine if SSV was going to blindly claim the vig as scum, he'd have a better plan and mount a better defense then what he's been giving us.
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Feb 21, 2016 22:47
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Max posted:Also, while this is in extreme WIFOM territory, I'd imagine if SSV was going to blindly claim the vig as scum, he'd have a better plan and mount a better defense then what he's been giving us. Can you explain? This reads to me as you're saying SSV has had a lackluster defense of themselves but that makes you lean town on them.
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Feb 21, 2016 23:55
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Like I just don't get how you can get to that conclusion. What about their defense has been that bad that you are concluding scum would have been better prepared?
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Feb 21, 2016 23:56
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I would think scum would have thought that claim through more.
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Feb 22, 2016 00:28
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chaoslord posted:Like I just don't get how you can get to that conclusion. What about their defense has been that bad that you are concluding scum would have been better prepared? Like I said, it's WIFOM and just one of many thoughts.
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Feb 22, 2016 00:29
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I think we should all full claim, what you guys think?
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Feb 22, 2016 03:02
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Depends on if we're really going to do the no-lunch or not.
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Feb 22, 2016 03:12
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Honestly, the only power role left is either the tracker or cop. Everyone else is either VT or lying. Unless the cop/tracker have some information to help us lunch scum, I wouldn't bother in case we survive this day.
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Feb 22, 2016 03:15
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imgay posted:I think we should all full claim, what you guys think? I doubt that's a good idea. Like Max said, if we survive today the cop/tracker being revealed is a bad thing and if they had any damning results they would have claimed them.
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Feb 22, 2016 03:18
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On a reread, I don't get how you think any of that Max. That whole "I think his scumbuddies would've come to defend him" is the WIFOMiest part of your case, not the "I expect a better defense." I actually agree with this Quandary post Quandary posted:Re read SSV's vig claim post. He knew he was going to be counter claimed and immediately went on the defensive, explaining why he would have vigged Jose before anyone evn asked the question. and even though chaoslord is wrong I think he has the right choice. Consider my vote on vimes, but I don't wanna gently caress up the game and actually vote like chaoslord.
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Feb 22, 2016 03:41
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I am vanilla town.
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Feb 22, 2016 04:03
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Thanks for that, I guess. Anyway, I'm leaving my vote here, I feel good about it.
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Feb 22, 2016 13:09
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This game moves so slow that we'll probably end up with a no-lynch by default anyway.
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Feb 22, 2016 14:51
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Max you yourself acknowledge that most of the reason you're voting me is WIFOM. You realize WIFOM makes for bad cases right? 90% of the time the most obvious case is the correct one and people over think themselves oit of the right answer. Occam's razor is a thing and it works.
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Why are you all harping on that one point?
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