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pacerhimself posted:The thing I don't understand about the Trump phenomenon is that he's clearly pandering in every thing he says without attempting to hide that he's pandering. Everything he says seems insincere and doesn't even attempt to hide it, yet people eat it up. It's been working on Democrats too.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Matt Walsh breaking on Twitter Matt, nobody does these things because they are smarter than you and they won't work. This is why you are the online equivalent of a bus station busker and they have jobs. I still think there's merit in attacking Trump hard but not on poo poo he's proud of and has lived with his entire life. Talk about the poo poo that embarasses him and makes him mad. There's even a cheat sheet, just look up every time he's talked about suing someone.
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Geostomp posted:I have wondered why Trump hasn't been attacked on his business failures much. If he wants to "run the country like a business" the logical thing would be to bring up that his business skills have proven relatively poor. If you're rich then you have good business skills.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:It's been working on Democrats too. Democrats are in fact people
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Geostomp posted:I have wondered why Trump hasn't been attacked on his business failures much. If he wants to "run the country like a business" the logical thing would be to bring up that his business skills have proven relatively poor. Because he already deflected that via "yeah that was on purpose and I made a ton of money off of them because I'm smart" Trying to get into the details just makes people tune out. I bet there's a way to frame it to at least make this a tie game, but I don't think anyone left standing will try that hard.
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Geostomp posted:I have wondered why Trump hasn't been attacked on his business failures much. If he wants to "run the country like a business" the logical thing would be to bring up that his business skills have proven relatively poor. Because Trump would scream "HOW loving DARE YOU?!" in front of a massive howling crowd and threaten to have a reporter lynched by his security detail and the press would never cover it again. Like ever other tepid attack people have tried to launch on him since he started his campaign. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Because Trump would scream "HOW loving DARE YOU?!" in front of a massive howling crowd and threaten to have a reporter lynched by his security detail and the press would never cover IG again. Has anyone printed attack ads though? Also it looks like Adam Baldwin screaming about censorship on twitter by leaving permanently. Maybe he won't be hated by his former firefly cast members as much now that he isn't cussing them out on twitter. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-twitter-baldwin-idUSKCN0VW2AW Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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pacerhimself posted:Democrats are in fact people I know. You were the one who said you didn't understand why Republicans are falling for it. Or implied it. And I'm talking about Hillary not Democrats who like Trump, if it was unclear. Everybody panders because it works.
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Crowsbeak posted:Has anyone printed attack ads though? I guess he just needs a safe space 
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Crowsbeak posted:Also it looks like Adam Baldwin screaming about censorship on twitter by leaving permanently. Maybe he won't be hated by his former firefly cast members as much now that he isn't cussing them out on twitter. Those bridges were long since burnt. I've said this before, but in hindsight, it was actually a bit of brilliant casting to have Adam Baldwin play "The Guy Everyone Else Hates" on Firefly. He's a natural fit for it.
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Ever want to see Walsh in action? He went on Crowder's sugar daddy, Dana Loesch show, to talk about Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aGaNT2kJfE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq0bMd0FkpM
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Dr. Faustus posted:Thanks! I look forward to reading this. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/11/05/left-behind-index-the-whole-thing/ It's excellent.
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I'm beginning to see bits of soft evangelical backlash against Trump. One of the more fervent individuals on my Facebook just posted something by Max Lucado.
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BiggerBoat posted:It's very much this. Even Limbaugh doesn't know what to make of Trump or how to talk about him. The GOP establishment seems as stunned as the rest of us but they shouldn't be. Trump is the culmination of boorishness, wealth, racism, xenohobia, greed and idolatry that they've been clamoring for all along. In many ways, he's the prefect Republican candidate, but now that they're staring him in the face and looking in the mirror, they're stumbling for ways to rationalize it and explain away why it's not as bad as it is. Mary Shelley's Trumpenstein has become a reality. For about 30 odd years the machine has labored to create a Republican God, a Serpentor for their Cobra legion, the perfect ideological icon. And then when the thing finally moved and spoke, they could not love nor accept it. Crabtree fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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pacerhimself posted:Democrats are in fact people hosed up if true
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Ever want to see Walsh in action? Is he wearing lipstick and makeup?
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Crabtree posted:Mary Shelley's Trumpenstein has become a reality. For about 30 odd years the machine has labored to create a Republican God, a Serpentor for their Cobra legion, the perfect ideological icon. And then when the thing finally moved and spoke, they could not love nor accept it. Beautiful. The flower girl is everybody under 35
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pacerhimself posted:The thing I don't understand about the Trump phenomenon is that he's clearly pandering in every thing he says without attempting to hide that he's pandering. Everything he says seems insincere and doesn't even attempt to hide it, yet people eat it up. Chris Matthews spun some theory last night that basically went that Trump's people know he's pandering and insincere so by him doing it so blatantly its really some kind of post modern mockery show he's putting on for them that they're all in on. That's the opening act for his show and then he hits them with the anger and nationalism which is what they're all really there for anyway. The rest is all window dressing and they all know it and are amused by it. I'm not sure I buy the theory but it does addresses your question. It also fits with the Walsh and Beck type conservatives who are having these panic attacks because they've suddenly realized the base doesnt actually care about all that stuff the conservative right was built on. I have a few true believer conservatives in my family and they're having the same crisis. They're stuck somewhere between not understanding why people don't see through Trump and the terror that Republcians do and they just never actually cared about that "Christian" stuff.
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pacerhimself posted:The thing I don't understand about the Trump phenomenon is that he's clearly pandering in every thing he says without attempting to hide that he's pandering. Everything he says seems insincere and doesn't even attempt to hide it, yet people eat it up. I think they get that he's putting on a show but believe it's ok for him to do that, because he's grabbing all the attention, & whatever it takes to win. Conservatives finally have a candidate whose charisma sufficiently outweighs his his hatemongering. It fills them with joy that Trump can say vile, racist things and get away with it. If anything Trump has exposed the fact that most GOP voters have no principles except loving over everyone who disagrees with them. beatlegs fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Feb 25, 2016 |
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Star Man posted:It's going to be hilarious and horrifying when the mainstream media starts to realize that Trump is an abomination of their own making and it's too late. This would require them to admit that they're terrible, so uh, good luck with that.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Where were you when Matt Walsh was mocked by Milo? 
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Where were you when Matt Walsh was mocked by Milo? Wait, are Nero and the rest of the alt-right trolls on Twitter referring to Trump as "daddy" now? Dare I even ask what that's all about?
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Yeah right. I'm sure the party of unskewed polls, fox and friends, the RW blogswamp and Sarah Palin are tooootally aware of Trumps snake oil salesman act and are just ironically embracing it in some pomo political art performance. I would like to bet on this, mr chris matthews Here is my money
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Ever want to see Walsh in action? No wonder he's usually a blogger. He can barely talk.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Wait, are Nero and the rest of the alt-right trolls on Twitter referring to Trump as "daddy" now? Dare I even ask what that's all about? I think he's just playing up the being gay thing, which is kind of super gross (him referring to a hatemongering idiot in a weirdly sexual way, not the being gay thing).
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It's hilarious the stooges are coming out screaming about authoritarianism in their party now when they've been crying wolf about Demon Hitler Obama or whatever other left wing boogeyman was cool to freak out over at the moment for years and years. Who is going to believe them or care now?
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Master Shake has been in fine form. His opening yesterday was seething with hatred for pretty much everybody who's not Ted Cruz who refuses to step out of the race. So he finally said something nice about Jeb Bush now that he's gotten out of the race, and is more and more harsh about Ben Carson as time goes by. Also, he has the the hottest of hot takes on Rubio: Mark M.S. Levin posted:Getting it down to two is an important issue because Rubio wants to be one of those two. That's what he wants. He's also trying to say that he could never support Rubio because Rubio is dishonest. He thinks Cruz is the picture of moral purity. It's like listening to a child talk about how great their dad is or something because the child doesn't get to know about all the times their father cheated on their mom or whatever. Mercury_Storm posted:It's hilarious the stooges are coming out screaming about authoritarianism in their party now when they've been crying wolf about Demon Hitler Obama or whatever other left wing boogeyman was cool to freak out over at the moment for years and years. Who is going to believe them or care now? Yeah, that's why it's real hilarious that Beck is one of the people calling Trump a Nazi. Beck has spent years calling people Nazi's every day to the point that they can't sell ad time. He's The Boy Who Cried Nazi. This one time finally he's right and nobody's gonna listen. Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Trump is going to destroy right wing media If Trump wins the nomination Ailes is probably going to die of a stroke and be replaced by the Murdoch son he never liked. At that point FNC and CNN will become indistinguishable. ErIog fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Feb 25, 2016 |
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Doctor Butts posted:No wonder he's usually a blogger. He can barely talk.
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Bast Relief posted:I was thinking about how Trump plays upon racism such that his lack of actual Christianity becomes irrelevant to these people, including evangelicals, surprisingly. Well, I think it works the same for his misogyny as well. He manages to take it up a notch where you don't even need to fall back on "family values" and biblical support of anti-women policies. He just outright says women's only value is their attractiveness. Christianity to the sort of person who loves Trump isn't about reading the words of Christ, maybe alongside some writings on those words, and going "well here's what Jesus said, better live by it". You remember that thing awhile back where a reporter talked to fresh ISIS recruits and none of them know a goddamned thing about Islam and the Koran and when asked what Islam is responded "our lives"? That's a huge, huge constituency here as long as you swap Christianity for Islam. Loving violence both physical and structural against the weak and the poor is their culture, and Christianity is their culture, so why should they see any trouble reconciling fascism and racism with Christianity? All the word means to them is "me and those like me" anyway.
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I wish I knew how to embed Twitter conversations, because NRO's Jonah Goldberg's have been magical. Even his articles are the adult version of a kid bullshitting through 'write 500 words about your summer vacations', trying to stay relevant enough to merit his pundit satrapy while not offending any of the firebrands who can disown him or getting too close to the lunatics. But on twitter, his despondency has just been hilarious because of how toothless and cowardly it is. Walsh and Crowder at least seem to have some skin in the game. Goldberg is all "Guys im really worried about the way things are going" or 'I wish someone could reassure me'. When Trumpists attack him, he just says "I'm not interested in arguing/This isn't worth my time", and when they try to get him on board, he goes "That's not how I see things". It doesn't help that the one time he tried to poke his head up with a "In the future, our kids will ask us what we were doing when we let Trump take over" post and got shot down by some snarky lib with "Well, you'll be able to say you were warning people about Liberal Facism!"
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Sephyr posted:I wish I knew how to embed Twitter conversations, because NRO's Jonah Goldberg's have been magical. Even his articles are the adult version of a kid bullshitting through 'write 500 words about your summer vacations', trying to stay relevant enough to merit his pundit satrapy while not offending any of the firebrands who can disown him or getting too close to the lunatics. Even if you don't it's good to link them so people can find them easily.
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STAC Goat posted:Chris Matthews spun some theory last night that basically went that Trump's people know he's pandering and insincere so by him doing it so blatantly its really some kind of post modern mockery show he's putting on for them that they're all in on. That's the opening act for his show and then he hits them with the anger and nationalism which is what they're all really there for anyway. The rest is all window dressing and they all know it and are amused by it. Evangelicals thought they were in control of the party because of how much screaming there was about abortion and the gays. However, most of what the GOP was doing on morality and faith-based government was lip service to keep the fundies on their side. It turns out that the core of the party was not theocracy but fascism. Whoops! Trump doing the best suddenly blindsides them with the fact that they are not in charge and never were. The thing of it is the right very likely knew that abortion and the gays were losing battles that they would never, ever win. Now that Trump is up there doing so well based almost entirely on xenophobia and hatred they're being confronted with how awful and mean their party actually is and evangelicals don't like that. They want to play themselves up as the party of morality but Trump is just an indicator that they're increasingly a party of avarice and spite.
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