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i don't think libssh is used by anything important. okay, i decided to actually look at a reverse depends in ubuntu. only non-esoteric thing on there is kde, lol.
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crazypenguin posted:i don't think libssh is used by anything important.
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So I got a bunch of python and ruby poo poo that all ties together into one cohesive thing. Am I insane for thinking I can package this into a .deb or ppa? I just want it to dump all the ruby and python files in the proper locations and my .deb will tell apt that I need it to install a bunch of dependencies and than installs all the necessary gems and pip files. http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/663/conversation/the-basics-of-packaging-on-ubuntu-packaging-part-1 http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/663/conversation/ubuntu-packaging-for-launchpad-ppas-packaging-part-2
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Feb 25, 2016 15:10
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that sounds extraordinarily awful and may God have mercy on your soul
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Feb 25, 2016 18:57
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b0red posted:So I got a bunch of python and ruby poo poo that all ties together into one cohesive thing. Am I insane for thinking I can package this into a .deb or ppa? I just want it to dump all the ruby and python files in the proper locations and my .deb will tell apt that I need it to install a bunch of dependencies and than installs all the necessary gems and pip files. this is a terrible idea, just completely loving wrong you can't make an OS package that relies on poo poo like rubygems and pypi, it just doesn't work. (not that it hasn't been tried: rpm experimented with integrating CPAN and it was a disaster.)
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Feb 25, 2016 19:07
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yeah if you really want to install with a deb or rpm you want to vendor your dependencies and include them in the archive (i have no idea how deb works but whatever it's doing, bsd is right, you dont want to be pulling in dependencies)
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Feb 25, 2016 19:22
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im super wet behind the ears with building something like this so it crossed my mind but it didn't seem right. thanksNotorious b.s.d. posted:this is a terrible idea, just completely loving wrong yeah. if the whole thing was written in C this might make some sense
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Feb 25, 2016 22:05
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if you want to distribute binary packages, you need to worry about the details in python, the canonical method is to use 'virtualenv' to package a complete pre-built set of libraries. in ruby, you can do the same thing with 'bundler'. ruby also has 'omnibus', which will package a complete ruby runtime with all C deps in addition to the ruby dependencies. bear in mind when i say "package" i just mean "poo poo out into a directory." you still have to write scripts and poo poo to make an OS package out of it
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Feb 25, 2016 22:25
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:if you want to distribute binary packages, you need to worry about the details Cheers. I should probably start hanging out in the terrible programmers thread more. I've been getting pretty interested in trying to hide data in regular network packets like icmp and I thought this guys linux raw socket examples were pretty neat. http://www.pdbuchan.com/rawsock/rawsock.html
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Feb 26, 2016 15:24
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current linux status: had a spare ssd so I decided to throw fedora on it. piece of poo poo can't get past the login without hard freezing and needing a reboot. i had an easier time installing osx.
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Feb 27, 2016 01:49
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akadajet posted:current linux status: had a spare ssd so I decided to throw fedora on it. piece of poo poo can't get past the login without hard freezing and needing a reboot. i had an easier time installing osx. Nvidia 750?
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Feb 27, 2016 01:50
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ratbert90 posted:Nvidia 750? uh... yeah actually. 750ti
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Feb 27, 2016 01:52
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akadajet posted:uh... yeah actually. 750ti That card is a really odd duck and I had the same issue with mine. I ended up having to drop into the console and install the nvidia driver that way. Works fine after that, and it's a lovely solution I know. Every other nvidia card I have thrown at Fedora works fine, all the way up to the 980, but the 750 just doesn't like the open source driver. 
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ratbert90 posted:That card is a really odd duck and I had the same issue with mine. I ended up having to drop into the console and install the nvidia driver that way. Works fine after that, and it's a lovely solution I know. I was about to just give up, but I guess I'll try installing a real nvidia driver.
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akadajet posted:I was about to just give up, but I guess I'll try installing a real nvidia driver. Yeah, not defending Fedora on this at all, it's stupid and bad. Luckily the 750 wasn't a great seller.
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Feb 27, 2016 02:08
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Yeah, I was thinking of getting a better card because I'm beginning to realize this one sucks. I was able to get the NVidia driver installed in single user mode after following a guide, but it crashes on power down or reboot now and also crashed when I tried to install Chrome. I'm giving up for the night, might try my luck with something else tomorrow.
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Feb 27, 2016 03:32
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akadajet posted:Yeah, I was thinking of getting a better card because I'm beginning to realize this one sucks. Odd, I haven't had those issues with my 750. Have you ran dnf update?
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ratbert90 posted:Odd, I haven't had those issues with my 750. Have you ran dnf update? yep. I don't think the other issues are related to the card. I couldn't reboot with "reboot" in single user mode either.
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akadajet posted:yep. I don't think the other issues are related to the card. I couldn't reboot with "reboot" in single user mode either. Oh, yeah. Is /sbin in your path? I think reboot is shoved in there I always dropped to init 3 for poo poo like this, but it sounds like something is messed up from your install. FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Feb 27, 2016 |
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Feb 27, 2016 03:39
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ratbert90 posted:Oh, yeah. Is /sbin in your path? I think reboot is shoved in there probably. i'll look into it some more later. thanks for the help!
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Feb 27, 2016 03:48
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akadajet posted:probably. i'll look into it some more later. thanks for the help! yospos wins again!
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Smythe posted:yospos wins again!
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Feb 27, 2016 04:00
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2016 year of Linux on the desktop: except for 750 owners.
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I use OpenBSD on my servers and Fedora on my desktop, and I still cannot believe that the OpenBSD upgrade process is the smoother of the two, even though I am reminded every six months.
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akadajet posted:Yeah, I was thinking of getting a better card because I'm beginning to realize this one sucks. despite it's Linux fuckery the 750ti is a v good card only upgrade if you need to and are buying a 970 p much
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Athas posted:I use OpenBSD on my servers and Fedora on my desktop, and I still cannot believe that the OpenBSD upgrade process is the smoother of the two, even though I am reminded every six months. lol openbsd 1980s security plus a single-core firewall implementation, what's not to love?
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a centos box in its default configuration with all services enabled is more secure than the most carefully locked down openbsd because centos has mandatory access control, and openbsd never will see also: freebsd, solaris, aix, every other linux distribution. pretty much every unix in existence except netbsd, osx, and openbsd.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:a centos box in its default configuration with all services enabled is more secure than the most carefully locked down openbsd Now how many of those CentOS boxes haven't had SELinux disabled as the first action after installation because RH is still incapable of getting this poo poo to work right after more than ten years
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Mr Dog posted:Now how many of those CentOS boxes haven't had SELinux disabled as the first action after installation because RH is still incapable of getting this poo poo to work right after more than ten years it works fine and it has always worked fine if you disable selinux first thing after installation that's on you
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openbsd is so secure it actually doesnt need access control, fedora isnt more secure just because it has a broken bandaid fix in place. its like saying windows 7 is the most secure os because it takes 24 hours to patch it after installation.
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Maximum Leader posted:openbsd is so secure it actually doesnt need access control, fedora isnt more secure just because it has a broken bandaid fix in place. its like saying windows 7 is the most secure os because it takes 24 hours to patch it after installation. openbsd is the most secure because it doesn't need security by this logic, truly, ms-dos is the most secure, because it doesn't have user accounts 
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securest user account is the one that doesnt exist, nobody would rely on account security in dos because it doesnt exist. false sense of security is what gets people
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Maximum Leader posted:securest user account is the one that doesnt exist, nobody would rely on account security in dos because it doesnt exist. false sense of security is what gets people you shouldn't rely on account security in unix, generally. it's a faulty mechanism. openbsd doesn't give you any realistic security mechanisms, so you are forced to pretend the classic unix primitives are good enough. they're not. hence the ms-dos analogy
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ratbert90 posted:Oh, yeah. Is /sbin in your path? I think reboot is shoved in there Ubuntu seems to work. I'll stick with this until I get bored of it and go back to OSX.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it works fine and it has always worked fine lollin at this but it's a bitter sort of lol because oh if only what you say were true gently caress selinux, it is insane over-the-top literal nsa/cia paranoia that someone, somewhere might be using the computer to do something. permission denied! it never truly works "fine" and when it breaks poo poo it is often nigh impossible to tell that the reason why it broke was selinux. eventually you learn through repetition that most of the time the weird bizarre poo poo that breaks on a red hate system is often selinux's fault so you just start disabling the fucker like that time ssh key files stopped working on one machine and i spent literal months trying to figure out why and ultimately it turned out that some selinux "profile" attribute mysteriously got set wrong on a home dir (by who? gently caress if i know, nobody working there -- myself included -- would have even known to gently caress with it) and selinux stopped allowing ssh to access a file and nothing on any level spit out any kind of diagnostic information that selinux was disallowing something so it was impossible to debug
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I want to get out of this loving OpenEmbedded rabbit hole It's a thousand something-marginally-better-than-makefiles, with all the usual poo poo that entails: a few thousand variables controlling "make world" and layers of overrides overriding overrides overriding overrides in a loose coupling hell Build engineering is hard and idk maybe somebody's come up with a build scripting languge that lets you sanely take a holistic view of the process instead of wondering what bullshit incantations you need to copy-paste from elsewhere then twist into shape. Mostly I need some loving sleep ugh fml.
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I remember running some openembedded build on my zaurus it wasn't as useful as pdaXrom
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Mr Dog posted:
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BobHoward posted:lollin at this selinux is actually pretty easy once you spend the time it takes to sort out how it works
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