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Ciaphas posted:I can't say I find myself interested in dealing with combat in this game at all, automated or otherwise I haven't taken the time to do mods, but I could get onboard with the Total Annihilation style guns. One big cannon that kills biters on the other side of the globe. My only involvement is maintaining the production chain, I'd want some way to automate the artifact pickup though.
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I've updated the OP now that the game is on Steam. Lemme know if there is anything obvious missing from the OP, or blatantly wrong. I need to take some new screenshots, that much is obvious. They still show the old astronaut suit and other placeholder graphics.
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Mar 4, 2016 21:49
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Building walls, turrets and gates give me that sweet sweet C&C vibe
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Since there are some of us doing Negative Roots play through, here's my factory as of today's 'getting frightened and not achieving much' episode. I'm keeping it restricted to how far along his build is but I put a bunch of 'helper' builds up because why hand craft. I've got a box with a bunch of oil gear ready for the next installment and I could probably remove the ammo production chunk now since I've killed all nests round me. I won't need 1400 rounds of AP before we get lasers going.
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Mar 4, 2016 22:05
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I've been thinking about the loaders a bit more, and I like them as a late game alternative/enhancement to bots. If they're expensive enough, you're unlikely to use them in place of inserters, so their primary use is to quickly load chests and trains. They seem perfect as a way to store output in a chest or at the end of a bus so that bots can get a convenient source of material near where they're doing work. It'd also be really pretty to see streams of ore pour into a train all at once as it stops, and streams of ore to pour out of it at the other end. Ultimately, I don't see them replacing inserters except at the highest throughput areas, which means there's only a handful of places where they'd see a lot of use. The main aesthetic of robotic arms flailing around would still be preserved, which is the really important part.
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Mar 4, 2016 22:41
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Plus the graphics department is usually on point so it could be some super complicated flailing monstrosity looking thing.
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Stick Insect posted:I've updated the OP now that the game is on Steam. This should go in the "Things to read and reference materials" section: http://guide.factorio.com/ In the "Tips and Tricks" section, the bit about belt corners being slow is no longer true as far as I know.
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That guide is excellent! Thanks!
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I haven't taken the time to do mods, but I could get onboard with the Total Annihilation style guns. One big cannon that kills biters on the other side of the globe. My only involvement is maintaining the production chain, I'm still holding out for ICBMs personally.
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Kinetica posted:I'm still holding out for ICBMs personally. Supreme warfare added guns that can shoot chunks away... but you have to drop a 'beacon' that they target and it has a range of 20...  There's a GDI Ion cannon mod which is supposed to give orbital bombardment but I've not tried it. I added some train part automation to my Negative Root save, a stone smelter with wall factory (somewhat over the top) and consolidated wheel production into the buss. I was getting sick of adding gear assemblies. 
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I was wondering what the hardest set of initial conditions would be. So I fiddled a bit and discovered that it's impossible to do anything in a fair number of cases. Most extreme was very small starting area and all the biter stuff at maximum. You start surrounded on all sides by a wall of alien flesh. This is what the map looks like
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Ratzap posted:Supreme warfare added guns that can shoot chunks away... but you have to drop a 'beacon' that they target and it has a range of 20... I was really hopeful for Supreme Warfare, but there's no point -- you need to get right up in the face of the enemy, and by the time the shell actually arrives you've killed everything anyways (and are probably standing directly underneath it looting the corpses). I think it would be possible to modify the LRPC so that you just manually enter elevation and bearing and push button, which isn't really automated but is a lot less annoying and means you don't need to leave the base. Of course, for the true Total Annihilation experience, it needs to automatically lock onto and rain fire down upon anything the radar detects, even if it's inside your base 
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ToxicFrog posted:I was really hopeful for Supreme Warfare, but there's no point -- you need to get right up in the face of the enemy, and by the time the shell actually arrives you've killed everything anyways (and are probably standing directly underneath it looting the corpses). The other big problem with artillery type weapons in Factorio is that as soon as biters take 'shot' damage they head for the source, regardless of how far away they are (you can see this with supreme warfare). So unless your first shot kills everything instantly, the whole lot will start racing to the guns. Then more will spawn and your next shell hits... So there would need to be a change to the combat core.
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I'd settle for placeable/railcar artillery that basically kills the gently caress out of everything in a radar-like radius, in exchange for mostly needing shitloads of tnt for projectiles/propellant. Why do I have to go drive a tank around to clear out these assholes when everything else in the game I can delegate to machines/robots etc?
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Mar 5, 2016 04:25
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The other impossible to delegate task is finding new mines and hooking them up.
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Ratzap posted:The other big problem with artillery type weapons in Factorio is that as soon as biters take 'shot' damage they head for the source, regardless of how far away they are (you can see this with supreme warfare). So unless your first shot kills everything instantly, the whole lot will start racing to the guns. Then more will spawn and your next shell hits... This sounds like incentive to build enough linked guns that they kill anything they hit in a single salvo. Not seeing the problem here.
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Nth Doctor posted:Still need to get to oil production and I'd like to start upgrading my power poles because finding wood is a huge pain in the rear end now. Also need to begin making yellow ammo now that I have steel production. I managed to get 9 oil wells up and running, feeding into a refinery. Petroleum gas is going to make plastic bars, at the moment (capped at 100). I also threw up some bunkers to protect my west and southwest sides. I more fully scouted the biter bases, and know where they're coming from, but the worms are too big to let me get close. I don't have any poison capsules yet, and haven't been able to build batteries for laser turrets. Once I figure out how and where I want to do that manufacturing, I should be good.
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I'm redoing the (lovely) art for my crafted artifacts mod, now it's still lovely but slightly less so: Rare earth + copper plate -> Superconductors Superconductors + plastic -> Superconducting wire Superconducting wire + processing units -> Advanced processing units* *Alien artifacts reskinned to be purple circuits Now I'm wondering, should I make the superconductor recipe require copper ore instead of plate?
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I like the art! I'd keep it as copper plate for the recipe. It makes more sense that you'd smelt the copper first, in my opinion -- get rid of impurities, etc. Plus, no other directly require copper ore, and having to divert some to your factories would be annoying.
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I felt like that was rather the point. Instead of having to just use a shitload of the same copper plates you use everywhere else, make a different use of a small portion of that resource. I'm looking at ways of making things interesting rather than just expensive or hard to find. And it's not without precedent: concrete uses iron ore rather than iron.
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GotLag posted:I felt like that was rather the point. Instead of having to just use a shitload of the same copper plates you use everywhere else, make a different use of a small portion of that resource. I'm looking at ways of making things interesting rather than just expensive or hard to find. I think that's more for a real-world standpoint rather than a game one, as concrete in real life requires aggregate.
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Purchased Factorio a few days ago. Played through the tutorials and campaign. Realize I have no idea how to do anything past green science packs. Started a new game and a
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 Robots are amazing Also, what's up with the capacity of trains? The cargo cars have less storage capacity than the chests I make.
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Give Negative Root a thumb.. He suffers from depression and is going through a rough patch. I know a lot of us use his videos to help learn the game so send support if you have a moment.
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Why does he need thumbs? Does he lack thumbs? Don't all humans have thumbs? Is that why he's depressed? Is he trying to make Wendy's Chili? Does it have to be my thumbs, or can I take someone else's to give him?
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Bedurndurn posted:Also, what's up with the capacity of trains? The cargo cars have less storage capacity than the chests I make. Trains are for moving cargo, not storing it. quote:
Construction bots are amazing, logistics bots are a trap.
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Boogalo posted:New blog post is up! This doesn't look that ridiculous to me; the only place where I can really think "yes this would be a 100% improvement over the current situation" is loading/unloading trains.
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It looks neat but could make some logistics waaaay too easy. Easy enough to just not use them though.
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Wow. Doesn't that just make inserters completely obsolete?
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ToxicFrog posted:This sounds like incentive to build enough linked guns that they kill anything they hit in a single salvo. Not seeing the problem here. You'd need to wipe out the whole nest in one blast remember, hitting one hut or a few biters aggros the rest. Something like tactical nukes would work, bobs or yuoki has uranium and reactors I think so this could be a goer.
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Suspicious Dish posted:Wow. Doesn't that just make inserters completely obsolete? It certainly would render large portions of my belt and inserter setup around buffer storage, since I could just rely on full belt bandwidth in and out of the boxes at all times.
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Dr. Stab posted:It definitely changes how you load/unload factories. Instead of pulling straight off/onto a belt, you can use an intermediate chest and greatly increase your inserter bandwidth. Yes and no - most factories are balanced around getting sufficient throughput with inserters. In order to use the loader, you'd need to split off of the belt that feeds a factory, then toss the loader up in there. That's fine if the factory only needs one belt, but when you get two or three belts to a single factory, then things start getting absurd. You'd end up spending huge amounts of time, space, and resources to try to feed one factory, when it'd be much cheaper to simply build more factories in parallel and use inserters. For the output of a factory, again, you're generally better off just using an inserter, especially with the stack size upgrades. It's more space and resource efficient. The only exception I could think of to this is if you were running a Bob's mod factory full of god module 5's and surrounded by speed beacons. Even then, you can get enough throughput with his super fast inserters and logistic bots feeding stuff into chests.
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I was under the impression this was just for containers (chests, trains) and wouldn't apply to assemblers. Maybe I'm wrong, but if it only applied to containers I don't see how it's that imbalanced.
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After buying it in 2014, the current version seems like the biters are much less interested in attacking my world killing industry. Is there some setting I am missing? It's really easy to build whatever when you aren't constrained by defending it and I am working through all the green tier techs without even building a wall or gun.
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I've been inspired by all the large-belt factories in this thread recently to start one of my own. It's forced me out of some of my bad habits, like being too conservative and only building 10 - 15 furnaces for iron and copper each and then wondering why I couldn't sustain my factories. I've hit that post-blue-science, pre-blue-circuits stage. Besides science factories, what do you usually automate? I feel like I'm not taking full advantage of my resources. Currently I have:
I'm going to add blue circuit, all 3 modules, blue belts, explosives and ammunition. I'm in peaceful mode, otherwise I would have already automated walls, turrets and ammo. What else am I missing? (Besides the end-game rocket stuff.) I'm tempted to turn off peaceful mode later, which you can do with the following commands: code:Marzzle posted:After buying it in 2014, the current version seems like the biters are much less interested in attacking my world killing industry. Is there some setting I am missing? It's really easy to build whatever when you aren't constrained by defending it and I am working through all the green tier techs without even building a wall or gun. Did you accidentally activate peaceful mode or something? I don't have much experience with biters, so that's the only thing I can think of. GotLag posted:I felt like that was rather the point. Instead of having to just use a shitload of the same copper plates you use everywhere else, make a different use of a small portion of that resource. I'm looking at ways of making things interesting rather than just expensive or hard to find. That's a good point, I forgot about concrete. Still, copper plate sounds like a better idea to me. 
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Roflex posted:I was under the impression this was just for containers (chests, trains) and wouldn't apply to assemblers. Maybe I'm wrong, but if it only applied to containers I don't see how it's that imbalanced. Inserters get stack size bonuses when moving from assemblers into boxes, but not when putting things from assemblers onto belts. So you could have one inserter doing the work of several by just pulling from the assembler into a box, and then belt-unloading that. In the stock game you don't really have anything (other than train cars) which would benefit from using this to really maximize the available throughput, so instead you're basically trading space right-next-to-the-assembler (where you could put more inserters to do that work) vs. space a bit further away from the machine, which could help you squeeze things in to a tight layout (remember: space is a resource!), but isn't exactly what I'd call "overpowered". In something like Bob's Mods you end up with single assemblers that have insane production rates, so you basically have to load/unload from boxes (and fill/clear out those boxes using logistic robots). This sort of thing theoretically could let you keep doing belt-based designs instead of having to transition into the snoozefest that is logistic-robot-based production.
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Ratzap posted:I was wondering what the hardest set of initial conditions would be. So I fiddled a bit and discovered that it's impossible to do anything in a fair number of cases. Most extreme was very small starting area and all the biter stuff at maximum. You start surrounded on all sides by a wall of alien flesh. This is what the map looks like I had some trouble in a recent game with bugs set to Normal, Big, and Good with resources set to the same settings, but I think it's possible to get it going. I couldn't get my production scaled up fast enough before getting attacked at 22 minutes, and I hadn't been making walls either. I have the most fun trying to think about how to set up my factory while being under threat of dying at any moment
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Solumin posted:Did you accidentally activate peaceful mode or something? I don't have much experience with biters, so that's the only thing I can think of. I don't think it was on. It was a random map and the nests were sorta far off but not exactly out of range. The biters attack when approached but never send in waves of guys to mess me up
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Does anyone else sometimes hear the "waah waah" of the biter alert even when they're not playing the game? poo poo's almost as bad as phantom cellphone vibrations.
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Marzzle posted:I don't think it was on. It was a random map and the nests were sorta far off but not exactly out of range. The biters attack when approached but never send in waves of guys to mess me up Were you playing in a dense forest? I've noticed that the pollution spread on an empty desert guarantees huge biter waves pretty quick.
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