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Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

Mikl posted:

Sweden? What the hell? :psyduck:

Sweden's had an unusually high rape rate for a Western country since those statistics started being collected. This is most likely because Sweden has a wider definition of "rape" than most other countries and because rape is more likely to be reported there, and probably not because more rape is actually committed there than in other countries.

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Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:
Same problem with std rates.

I think I read somewhere that Canada has much worse rates of chlamydia or something than America even though it has more readily available health care. The answer was that better health care means better reporting as more people are going to the doctor.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Mikl posted:

Sweden? What the hell? :psyduck:

Assange was very busy during the period.

nagel
Sep 19, 2005

We formed a wall once.

Pakled posted:

Sweden's had an unusually high rape rate for a Western country since those statistics started being collected. This is most likely because Sweden has a wider definition of "rape" than most other countries and because rape is more likely to be reported there, and probably not because more rape is actually committed there than in other countries.

Apparently, the authorities also count everything once. let's say that a person was raped by his/her spouse 20 times over the course of one year. In most countries, that would be one report/instance, but Sweden counts that as 20.

Radio Paranoia
Jun 27, 2010

It is now safe to turn off your computer.

Pakled posted:

Sweden's had an unusually high rape rate for a Western country since those statistics started being collected. This is most likely because Sweden has a wider definition of "rape" than most other countries and because rape is more likely to be reported there, and probably not because more rape is actually committed there than in other countries.

Which makes South Africa even more terrifying since according to stats a vast number of rapes do NOT get reported.

Cumslut1895
Feb 18, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Mikl posted:

Sweden? What the hell? :psyduck:

Also what the hell New Zealand?

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

Dreddout posted:

What cultural shift causes Mississippi and Georgia to coyly refer to black porn as ebony, when Louisiana is up front about it?

Age. Older people look for "ebony" more frequently

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Cumslut1895 posted:

Also what the hell New Zealand?

Surely you don't think sheep can legally consent

Intoluene
Jul 6, 2011

Activating self-destruct sequence!
Fun Shoe

Somfin posted:

Surely you don't think sheep can legally consent

I knew it wouldn't take long. Godspeed. :australia:

Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

VerdantSquire posted:



Look at the scale.

"Come to Uganda, it's somewhat less rapey than Svalbard and Iceland!"

Slime
Jan 3, 2007
The very bottom of the scale is negative one rapes. Are people committing anti-rapes? What even is an anti-rape? Is it being a 40 year old virgin living in a basement who's never so much as touched a woman?

quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest
the bottom of the scale is .1 rapes per 100,000 people, so one rape per million

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won

Slime posted:

The very bottom of the scale is negative one rapes. Are people committing anti-rapes? What even is an anti-rape? Is it being a 40 year old virgin living in a basement who's never so much as touched a woman?

It's 0.1 reported rapes per 100,000.

Edit: god dammit willus

CharlieWhiskey
Aug 18, 2005

everything, all the time

this is the world

Slime posted:

The very bottom of the scale is negative one rapes. Are people committing anti-rapes? What even is an anti-rape? Is it being a 40 year old virgin living in a basement who's never so much as touched a woman?

A negative rape is if a potential rapist even thinks of raping, they instantly get raped, duh

Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

Slime posted:

The very bottom of the scale is negative one rapes. Are people committing anti-rapes? What even is an anti-rape? Is it being a 40 year old virgin living in a basement who's never so much as touched a woman?

Every country is allowed one freebie

Basticle
Sep 12, 2011


woops wrong thread

Maxwells Demon
Jan 15, 2007


Torrannor posted:

Link for context?

I originally posted it. My students took some 1st year physics data of waves moving on a string and were asked: "Now you have to fit that data to a model. Graph the 4 data points in your favorite program for such (or Excel) and determine if a line is a good fit or what else will look better."

No idea how a musical conductor's 4/4 wave came from that.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
Students are hilariously weird some times. Couple days ago one asked me if when the protocol said "dilute the plasma 20 times" he really had to do it 20 times in a row. I really should have just said yes.

Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

Fathis Munk posted:

Students are hilariously weird some times. Couple days ago one asked me if when the protocol said "dilute the plasma 20 times" he really had to do it 20 times in a row. I really should have just said yes.

My wife still mocks me for being amazed by and wanting to see the ingredients of a package marked "36 MEAT RAVIOLI" at the local supermarket.

e: in my defense it was stocked next to the 3 Cheese Ravioli

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Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

nagel posted:

Apparently, the authorities also count everything once. let's say that a person was raped by his/her spouse 20 times over the course of one year. In most countries, that would be one report/instance, but Sweden counts that as 20.

I don't think I believe that. Here in the US, that'd be 20 counts of rape, you don't get just charged once. I can't think of a country that counts rapes in the way you describe. What is counted differently seems to be gang rape; the US counts one incident for each victim, not one for each perpetrator. But if the numbers are due to that, then that's a *lot* of gang rape happening.

But whatever the reason, there seems to be some dark poo poo going on in Sweden. Police in Ostersund are telling women not to go out at night alone because so many of them have been getting attacked.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3481882/Women-warned-not-night-Swedish-town-multiple-sex-attacks-foreigners.html#ixzz42LAkfb00
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/jamtland/polisen-varnar-kvinnor-i-ostersund-for-att-ga-ut

Oh, Google translate, the fun we have:

quote:

The three police officers who attended the press conference says that they have never experienced anything similar in Östersund. This is also why they now go out and warn women to touch themselves in the center of Östersund in the late evenings and nights.

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My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Fathis Munk posted:

Students are hilariously weird some times. Couple days ago one asked me if when the protocol said "dilute the plasma 20 times" he really had to do it 20 times in a row. I really should have just said yes.
Just another day at the homeopathy lab.

nagel
Sep 19, 2005

We formed a wall once.

Phanatic posted:

I don't think I believe that. Here in the US, that'd be 20 counts of rape, you don't get just charged once. I can't think of a country that counts rapes in the way you describe. What is counted differently seems to be gang rape; the US counts one incident for each victim, not one for each perpetrator. But if the numbers are due to that, then that's a *lot* of gang rape happening.

But whatever the reason, there seems to be some dark poo poo going on in Sweden. Police in Ostersund are telling women not to go out at night alone because so many of them have been getting attacked.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3481882/Women-warned-not-night-Swedish-town-multiple-sex-attacks-foreigners.html#ixzz42LAkfb00
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/jamtland/polisen-varnar-kvinnor-i-ostersund-for-att-ga-ut

Oh, Google translate, the fun we have:

Maybe I didn't use the right words; If a person rapes another several times over a period of time, say 14 times over 3 years, as a form of spousal abuse, that becomes 14 separate reports of rape. Apparently, Sweden seems to be one of the few (the only?) country that does this. I have no idea if the person that committed these 14 rapes would be charged for each one individually. It's not that one gang rape becomes six different rape cases because there were 6 people doing the gang raping.

Yeah we have problems, but a lot of it is just sensationalistic fear mongering and fact immunity. Mostly tied to the xenophobic nationalist Swedish democrats.

edit: read some more, yeah apparently gang rapes are counted once per perpetrator. The more you know.

nagel has a new favorite as of 22:41 on Mar 9, 2016

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
Does it just count rape/assault by penetration or all sexual assault crimes? Sweden's law banning the purchase of prostitution might have something to do with it if it's the latter.

Cumslut1895
Feb 18, 2015

by FactsAreUseless
couldn't be the massive influx of 'refugees' from some of the most misogynistic cultures on earth...

Arthur D Wolfe
Sep 26, 2007

"Holy shit you are a
loathsome jerk, Arthur.
"

TinTower posted:

Does it just count rape/assault by penetration or all sexual assault crimes?
Sweden's definition of rape is very broad; it not only includes non-penetrative sexual contact but also situations such as consensual sex under false pretences, i.e. where one party is later proven to have been deceptive in some manner. If a male claims to have wrapped his dick up but actually did not do so, it is rape. If a male promises to be gentle but then gets a bit rough halfway through the act, that may also count as rape.

It is also possible for a change in the dynamic during the act to transform it into non-consensual contact, such as the male running out of condoms but insisting that the act continue. In such a case the woman may call "consent under duress", which means that the yes she gives at the time will actually be a no by the time the people involved find themselves in court.

The idea with all this is to ensure that no crime ever slips through the cracks, but despite this Swedish courts are still pretty bad at actually getting charges to stick. Our society is rather progressive, but the judiciary system is having trouble adapting to it.

TinTower posted:

Sweden's law banning the purchase of prostitution might have something to do with it if it's the latter.
That law has been in place for a long time, so I would be willing to claim it is largely unrelated to this boom since it is fairly recent.

For now though I suggest that we drop the discussion, because it is bringing the thread down (and yes I know I participated in it, I apologise). The graph that originally started it reeks of mischievous misrepresentation anyway. Speaking of, have an example! Simply edit and replace the nation names as needed to win any online argument.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Cumslut1895 posted:

couldn't be the massive influx of 'refugees' from some of the most misogynistic cultures on earth...

Wow, just going straight for the Trump Triple, huh?

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.


Another situation where a table would probably be more useful than a graph.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

DrBouvenstein posted:



Another situation where a table would probably be more useful than a graph.

I honestly can't pick the difference between the colours they used for Google/HP/IBM or Intel/LinkedIn or Salesforce/Samsung.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

DrBouvenstein posted:



Another situation where a table would probably be more useful than a graph.

This thing is awful, just the worst. I honestly gave it a good long look and found some interesting trends, but the correlation is utterly worthless. Like median career pay to median age. Cool, looks like an opposing correlation there! Except there's no scale other than rank, so these numbers could be so loving close together this is coincidental. There's no telling whether this implies younger companies pay higher by mid career, or whether older companies paid a few cents less due to inflation.

Another interesting but useless trend is Median Years with Company, % Female, and % High Job Satisfaction. Low median years should imply higher turnover, which correlates well with low job satisfaction. More women are getting into tech industry jobs as the years go on, so high turnover companies are likely hiring more women as the percentage of female applicants goes up. But the way it's placed on the graph, the creator wants to jam % Female between the obvious correlation to draw a totally unrelated point: Higher % Female = Lower job satisfaction. Lower % Female = higher job satisfaction! Wow, what's with women in the tech industry?!?

Triarii
Jun 14, 2003

Judge Schnoopy posted:

This thing is awful, just the worst. I honestly gave it a good long look and found some interesting trends, but the correlation is utterly worthless. Like median career pay to median age. Cool, looks like an opposing correlation there! Except there's no scale other than rank, so these numbers could be so loving close together this is coincidental. There's no telling whether this implies younger companies pay higher by mid career, or whether older companies paid a few cents less due to inflation.

Um the scale is pretty clearly labeled right there - it goes from LOWER to HIGHER.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Triarii posted:

Um the scale is pretty clearly labeled right there - it goes from LOWER to HIGHER.

Also "Zero values indicate there was not enough data to determine a value". Since the height of the dots is just a rank rather than an actual numerical value there's no way of knowing if the lowest dot in any category means "sucks the worst" or "value unknown". In fact there's no way of knowing if several of the lowest dots in any given category are unknown values.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!


Retirement age by country. Men and women.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
That's some Fox news level poo poo right there.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal
Maybe the unlabeled X axis is volume of people retiring in the last # years, but yeah that's spectacularly bad.

Here have this abomination, where the scale is so bad it doesn't even encompass all (perceived and non-data based) points

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
:airquote:scale :airquote:

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Judge Schnoopy posted:

Maybe the unlabeled X axis is volume of people retiring in the last # years, but yeah that's spectacularly bad.

There is no X axis that can make this chart even remotely sensible.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Judge Schnoopy posted:

Maybe the unlabeled X axis is volume of people retiring in the last # years, but yeah that's spectacularly bad.

There's no way Russia has less people retiring than Poland or as many people retiring as Belarus.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

Absurd Alhazred posted:

There's no way Russia has less people retiring than Poland or as many people retiring as Belarus.

As percentage of the population? Percentage of the working population? poo poo, I don't even know why I'm trying to make sense of that hot garbage

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




I'm pretty sure it's gamble on people not reading, and bar length is to subtly imply that for elderly it's better here than there given that it's from Belarus news channel.

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Pendragon
Jun 18, 2003

HE'S WATCHING YOU

Judge Schnoopy posted:

Here have this abomination, where the scale is so bad it doesn't even encompass all (perceived and non-data based) points


Quoting this so it doesn't get lost with the scale chart, because... god drat, how does this even make sense? Who looked at this and said, "Yup, that describes political philosophies perfectly."

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