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Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Is there a drive that will play blu Ray discs on my 2012 Mpb?

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Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Yes, there is, and you'll have to connect a BR drive over USB and then you'll have to buy some BR software, none of which is really any good.

So I thought I'd be cheeky and say "sure, but why would you want to?" but gently caress it, I mean it. Why would you want to? If you have a legal copy of whatever the hell, just download it off Pirate Bay or whatever and don't feel bad about it. You can even download the drat BR rip and play it in VLC.

But yeah, you can connect a BR drive to a Mac and play BR movies, if you REALLY want. Apple's been like, really against it and avoiding it for a number of years, because their idea of media consumption is streaming or digital downloads, so the whole thing is a third-party solution. But you can do it. Or you can just boot into Windows and do it if you don't like any of the OS X solutions. But yes you can buy an external BR drive that will work with your Mac. Any will do.

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Brought my rmbp into the fruit stand to tackle the pit scratch from some particle when i closed the lid. They scuffed at fixing that but then found six dead pixels I didn't even notice. So new screen. Yay

The Ass Stooge
Nov 9, 2012

a hunger uncurbed
by nature's calling
How feasible would it be for Apple to implement Touch ID on MacBooks by making the trackpad a fingerprint sensor? I think it would be pretty cool to not have to type my password anymore.

TheAngryDrunk
Jan 31, 2003

"I don't know why I know that; I took four years of Spanish."

The rear end Stooge posted:

How feasible would it be for Apple to implement Touch ID on MacBooks by making the trackpad a fingerprint sensor? I think it would be pretty cool to not have to type my password anymore.

They've been around on laptops for a while now, so I would think it would be pretty easy.

Edit: And I agree. I check my bank accounts on my phone now instead of my desktop because I can access them with just my fingerprint.

TheAngryDrunk fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Mar 9, 2016

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

TheAngryDrunk posted:

Edit: And I agree. I check my bank accounts on my phone now instead of my desktop because I can access them with just my fingerprint.

Word. A lovely mobile app was the final straw to me killing off the last of my college-era Wells Fargo accounts.

edit: they were a crap bank before that but it was me exiting the pretty OK app for the bank I do most of my stuff with and then having to wrestle with something that felt like it hand't been developed since iOS 5 that made me take the time to finally kill them.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


GutBomb posted:

Sweet, thanks. I've done that now. Apple is a funny company with all their weird restrictions.

Apple only wants to support what they sold you, TRIM is enabled by default for devices that identify themselves as being made by Apple.

If Samsung made it, then it ain't made by Apple, and so OS X won't issue TRIM commands until you force it on with the trim force command.

enojy
Sep 11, 2001

bass rattle
stars out
the sky

The rear end Stooge posted:

How feasible would it be for Apple to implement Touch ID on MacBooks by making the trackpad a fingerprint sensor? I think it would be pretty cool to not have to type my password anymore.

You can use MacID to kind of do this. One of its features is "tap to unlock," allowing you to create any custom tap gesture on the trackpad to automatically enter your password into any system-level password field (e.g. sleep login screen, administrator privilege pop-up) but won't work on a website's login field, for example.

The only downside is (a) it costs money and (b) requires a newer iOS device (iPhone 4S, iPad etc.) to work in OS X (you have to pair the devices via Bluetooth in order for the OS X client to work -- whether this is necessary or not idk, maybe they implemented this so you'd pay for it? Either way, the Bluetooth pair isn't necessary for tap to unlock, just the initial launch and other proximity-based features.) Its main purpose is to allow you to use Touch ID on your iOS device to unlock your MacBook, but I really only use it for the "tap to unlock" bit, since that's way more convenient. I think it's only like $5, though; well worth it.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

Yeah I got MacID a few months back, love it.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

The rear end Stooge posted:

How feasible would it be for Apple to implement Touch ID on MacBooks by making the trackpad a fingerprint sensor? I think it would be pretty cool to not have to type my password anymore.

The fingerprint sensor on the iPhone is its own specialized device, not part of the touchscreen, so it's likely it wouldn't be easy to integrate into a MacBook trackpad touch sensor either.

japtor
Oct 28, 2005

Pivo posted:

Yes, there is, and you'll have to connect a BR drive over USB and then you'll have to buy some BR software, none of which is really any good.

So I thought I'd be cheeky and say "sure, but why would you want to?" but gently caress it, I mean it. Why would you want to? If you have a legal copy of whatever the hell, just download it off Pirate Bay or whatever and don't feel bad about it. You can even download the drat BR rip and play it in VLC.

But yeah, you can connect a BR drive to a Mac and play BR movies, if you REALLY want. Apple's been like, really against it and avoiding it for a number of years, because their idea of media consumption is streaming or digital downloads, so the whole thing is a third-party solution. But you can do it. Or you can just boot into Windows and do it if you don't like any of the OS X solutions. But yes you can buy an external BR drive that will work with your Mac. Any will do.
I haven't followed the stuff in years, but I vaguely recall some drives having issues with ripping software (and the few playback ones?), I forget if it was due to simple incompatibilities or if they had some added protections. Not a huge deal but something to look out for, should be pretty easy to find others' experiences by searching for whatever drive model and MakeMKV compatibility.

BobHoward posted:

The fingerprint sensor on the iPhone is its own specialized device, not part of the touchscreen, so it's likely it wouldn't be easy to integrate into a MacBook trackpad touch sensor either.
Integrate fingerprint sensors into the home row keys and space bar :v:

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

They could have used the spot where the power button used to be on the MBPs. The old round one.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


BobHoward posted:

1. most SATA RAID controllers are bizarrely incapable of passing through TRIM. This is almost certainly why TRIM is not supported, and if so there will never be any way to enable TRIM on these drives under any operating system whatsoever.

None other than Larry O'Connor (CEO of OWC) himself directly confirms this in a post in the MacRumors forums:

OWC Larry posted:

To answer the question on the current gen Aura SSD PCIe drives - not for any issue at the controller/processor level, but due to the necessary means of implementation of this dual-controller solution - native trim is not able to engage with this drive. Running TrimForce doesn't hurt anything, but it doesn't do anything with our current PCIe models. And again - by design, the need for TRIM is negated in these implementations.

So, yeah, the new OWC MBP/MBA SSDs do NOT support TRIM. Even if you activate it in OS X, TRIM operations won't be performed. Instead it's entirely dependent on internal housekeeping.

OWC details this housekeeping as: Durawrite technology, where the data is written as compressed so it mitigates write amplification, garbage collection, and over-provisioning.

Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Mar 9, 2016

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Bob Morales posted:

They could have used the spot where the power button used to be on the MBPs. The old round one.

Exactly what I was thinking. There's enough space there for a scanner the size of the iPhone's.

Butt Savage
Aug 23, 2007
Or just replace the current power button next to F12 with a touch ID sensor in the shape of the key.

Butt Savage fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Mar 10, 2016

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


just make every key cap a touchid sensor so when i mash my keyboard in the morning to check my email when i wake up hung over it logs me in

also touchid macros. so i can touch the keyboard with my dick and go right to a porn site. and block texts to my ex.

facial/emotion recognition too so when i think i'm being funny it doesn't let me shitpost in a serious-thread

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey... :D


Binary Badger posted:

What OS, what enclosure? Assuming you tried different ports and cables.

In my * anecdotal * experience, 27-inch metal iMacs can have flaky ports that nobody notices until they have to use all of their ports because they're too lazy to buy a hub.. and its a royal pain to have to switch out the entire logic board because 1-2 ports aren't working right.

I like the Inateck, Anker, Vantec, and Sabrent enclosures and hubs as they take pains to actually actively support MacOS other than printed blurb lip service, and they offer firmware updates on their equipment where available.

Just on this topic: how does one prove if one has a dodgy port?

Man, I do not have luck with iMacs. :(
This might make sense - a flaky port. Most ports it craps out on, plugged straight into the machine.
I have one 7 port hub and another one (forget brands off the top of my head), i've tried everything I can think of except new enclosure.

Things I tried:
-New cable
-Into a usb Hard disk dock (works fine)
-Into the 4 different usb ports on the back
-Into a hub, plugged into each of the 4 usb ports.
-Tried on a different machine (works fine)

Time to try a new hub+ enclosure I guess.

I'm running 10.11.3.
Thanks heaps for this, I think you might be on the right track.

the_lion fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Mar 10, 2016

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

Binary Badger posted:

None other than Larry O'Connor (CEO of OWC) himself directly confirms this in a post in the MacRumors forums:


So, yeah, the new OWC MBP/MBA SSDs do NOT support TRIM. Even if you activate it in OS X, TRIM operations won't be performed. Instead it's entirely dependent on internal housekeeping.

OWC details this housekeeping as: Durawrite technology, where the data is written as compressed so it mitigates write amplification, garbage collection, and over-provisioning.

More like Duramisleadingbullshit technology, IMO. All SSDs have internal housekeeping to mitigate write amplification, etc. TRIM is nothing more than a command that helps this housekeeping code do a better job (but not a different job). If the drive firmware is good, it shouldn't be totally reliant on TRIM to work well, but there's no way around it: you're almost certain to see worse write amplification and performance degradation.

OWC is such a mixed bag.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Pivo posted:

Yes, there is, and you'll have to connect a BR drive over USB and then you'll have to buy some BR software, none of which is really any good.

So I thought I'd be cheeky and say "sure, but why would you want to?" but gently caress it, I mean it. Why would you want to? If you have a legal copy of whatever the hell, just download it off Pirate Bay or whatever and don't feel bad about it. You can even download the drat BR rip and play it in VLC.

But yeah, you can connect a BR drive to a Mac and play BR movies, if you REALLY want. Apple's been like, really against it and avoiding it for a number of years, because their idea of media consumption is streaming or digital downloads, so the whole thing is a third-party solution. But you can do it. Or you can just boot into Windows and do it if you don't like any of the OS X solutions. But yes you can buy an external BR drive that will work with your Mac. Any will do.

Thanks. I was more curious than anything. I was thinking I'd like to bring some movies with me on trips instead of rebuying them on itunes. It's kind of funny I have rebought movies on physical media without hesitation (vhs>dvd>blu ray) but I balk at spending a few more bucks to get the streaming version that I'd probably actually watch a lot more than my discs.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Doctor Zero posted:

Thanks. I was more curious than anything. I was thinking I'd like to bring some movies with me on trips instead of rebuying them on itunes. It's kind of funny I have rebought movies on physical media without hesitation (vhs>dvd>blu ray) but I balk at spending a few more bucks to get the streaming version that I'd probably actually watch a lot more than my discs.

If you already own the blue ray just rip it. The software is pretty easy to find, and you aren't breaking any laws as long as you don't distribute it.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Cyrano4747 posted:

If you already own the blue ray just rip it. The software is pretty easy to find, and you aren't breaking any laws as long as you don't distribute it.

Unless you're just going to rent a bunch of movies to take on a trip, or you have a 128GB Air and don't have room to store them all, have lovely internet at home, or you don't have time to rip them...

Here are a couple drives and the software you'd need to do BR on your Mac:

http://www.macworld.com/article/2042431/watch-and-rip-blu-ray-movies-on-your-mac.html

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
I assume there's no better way to get 10GbE connections onto a Mac these days than a $500 Thunderbolt adapter?

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Doctor Zero posted:

Thanks. I was more curious than anything. I was thinking I'd like to bring some movies with me on trips instead of rebuying them on itunes. It's kind of funny I have rebought movies on physical media without hesitation (vhs>dvd>blu ray) but I balk at spending a few more bucks to get the streaming version that I'd probably actually watch a lot more than my discs.

Here you go: read both of these (the LifeHacker one is both five years old and from LifeHacker but my cursory checking suggests it's still accurate):

http://lifehacker.com/5559007/the-hassle-free-guide-to-ripping-your-blu-ray-collection

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/directly-rip-and-convert-bluray-disks-with-handbrake

The necessary software's free so you'll only need to spend money on a useable USB BD drive- which are like $40 nowadays.

E: fb.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Bob Morales posted:

Unless you're just going to rent a bunch of movies to take on a trip, or you have a 128GB Air and don't have room to store them all, have lovely internet at home, or you don't have time to rip them...

Here are a couple drives and the software you'd need to do BR on your Mac:

http://www.macworld.com/article/2042431/watch-and-rip-blu-ray-movies-on-your-mac.html

Sure those are all limitations, but not exactly crushing, and the guy said he was talking about his large collection of physical media. If you already own it, why re-buy it? Why would lovely internet at home prevent you from ripping and storing things locally, incidentally?

If someone wants to lug around an external blue ray player and a CD wallet full of disks to watch movies on an airplane, go for it. I'm just saying there are alternatives that aren't exactly burdensome and don't involve throwing down for another copy of something you already own.

edit: the storage issue is also less pressing when we live in a world of TB-scale external HDs that cost $100. Personally I'd rather throw that in my carryon than an external blue ray player.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Cyrano4747 posted:

Sure those are all limitations, but not exactly crushing, and the guy said he was talking about his large collection of physical media. If you already own it, why re-buy it? Why would lovely internet at home prevent you from ripping and storing things locally, incidentally?
The slow internet was more directed to downloading a copy of a disc you already own

Cyrano4747 posted:

edit: the storage issue is also less pressing when we live in a world of TB-scale external HDs that cost $100. Personally I'd rather throw that in my carryon than an external blue ray player.
Agreed. But you still need to buy it to rip the movies

Perplx
Jun 26, 2004


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AlternateAccount posted:

I assume there's no better way to get 10GbE connections onto a Mac these days than a $500 Thunderbolt adapter?

you could almost build a whole pc with thunderbolt 2 and a 10Gb nic and bridge the interfaces for $500

japtor
Oct 28, 2005

AlternateAccount posted:

I assume there's no better way to get 10GbE connections onto a Mac these days than a $500 Thunderbolt adapter?
If you're connecting Macs to Macs there's TB networking but performance drops after 10GB for whatever reason:
http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2016/20160204_0946-ThunderboltNetworking-performance-problems.html

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Bob Morales posted:

The slow internet was more directed to downloading a copy of a disc you already own

Agreed. But you still need to buy it to rip the movies

And you still need to buy the external blue ray player. Ten seconds of googling shows them costing about as much.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Cyrano4747 posted:

Sure those are all limitations, but not exactly crushing, and the guy said he was talking about his large collection of physical media. If you already own it, why re-buy it? Why would lovely internet at home prevent you from ripping and storing things locally, incidentally?

If someone wants to lug around an external blue ray player and a CD wallet full of disks to watch movies on an airplane, go for it. I'm just saying there are alternatives that aren't exactly burdensome and don't involve throwing down for another copy of something you already own.

edit: the storage issue is also less pressing when we live in a world of TB-scale external HDs that cost $100. Personally I'd rather throw that in my carryon than an external blue ray player.

Oh I guess I misread the original reply as being hinky to do and something to avoid. I don't really have an unreasonable amount of discs but enough that rebuying will be a decent chunk of change. I don't mind ripping what I own but downloading torrents is not something I want to do. I do have a couple of nice small external drives that would be better than bringing the discs themselves.

Thanks!

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Doctor Zero posted:

Oh I guess I misread the original reply as being hinky to do and something to avoid. I don't really have an unreasonable amount of discs but enough that rebuying will be a decent chunk of change. I don't mind ripping what I own but downloading torrents is not something I want to do. I do have a couple of nice small external drives that would be better than bringing the discs themselves.

Thanks!

Use MakeMKV to rip them and HandBreak to convert the .mkv files to something your mac will play nice with. There is a little bit of a learning curve but if you just google "rip blu ray macos" you will turn up a shitload of hand-holding tutorials.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Cyrano4747 posted:

And you still need to buy the external blue ray player. Ten seconds of googling shows them costing about as much.

That's what 'it' was

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Cyrano4747 posted:

Use MakeMKV to rip them and HandBreak to convert the .mkv files to something your mac will play nice with. There is a little bit of a learning curve but if you just google "rip blu ray macos" you will turn up a shitload of hand-holding tutorials.

Or they could just look at the posts that Bob Morales and I made earlier for direct links to those very tutorials. :yayclod:

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


AlternateAccount posted:

I assume there's no better way to get 10GbE connections onto a Mac these days than a $500 Thunderbolt adapter?

If it's a classic Mac Pro, it's $400 for a single port 10GbE PCI card..

Without much ado
Feb 11, 2006

Electric Bugaloo posted:

Here you go: read both of these (the LifeHacker one is both five years old and from LifeHacker but my cursory checking suggests it's still accurate):

http://lifehacker.com/5559007/the-hassle-free-guide-to-ripping-your-blu-ray-collection

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/directly-rip-and-convert-bluray-disks-with-handbrake

The necessary software's free so you'll only need to spend money on a useable USB BD drive- which are like $40 nowadays.

E: fb.

Just to emphasize from http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/directly-rip-and-convert-bluray-disks-with-handbrake the best part of the whole thing is Handbrake can directly rip and compress once you have MakeMKV installed.

code:
cd ~

mkdir -p ~/lib

ln -s /Applications/MakeMKV.app/Contents/lib/libmmbd.dylib ~/lib/libaacs.dylib

ln -s /Applications/MakeMKV.app/Contents/lib/libmmbd.dylib ~/lib/libbdplus.dylib
Once that is done, you just fire up Handbrake and go on your merry ripping way.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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Cyrano4747 posted:

If you already own the blue ray just rip it. The software is pretty easy to find, and you aren't breaking any laws as long as you don't distribute it.

It's worth noting that ripping blu rays you own for personal use remains illegal in America regardless of whether you distribute them, but your mileage may very in other countries.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/its-still-illegal-to-rip-dvd-and-blu-ray-discs-for-personal-use/

Froist
Jun 6, 2004

Twerk from Home posted:

It's worth noting that ripping blu rays you own for personal use remains illegal in America regardless of whether you distribute them, but your mileage may very in other countries.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/its-still-illegal-to-rip-dvd-and-blu-ray-discs-for-personal-use/

Likewise in the UK - we had a brief period of a few months last year where they saw sense and made it legal for personal use, then the law got reversed again.

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


flosofl posted:

Exactly what I was thinking. There's enough space there for a scanner the size of the iPhone's.
I was thinking this too. It could also function as a Home button (show desktop or something), with power requiring a hold.

There is an app called MacID which sort of does this - it lets you use your phone's Touch ID for authentication anywhere in OS X. You can also log in with touchpad gestures (i.e. double tap, triple tap, double tap).

frrtbkr
Apr 25, 2004
I have a late 2008 MBP that won't turn on anymore. Is the general consensus that it's not worth fixing? I took it to a potentially sketchy "premier" mac shop and they said it would need a new motherboard. I say potentially sketchy 'cause I think they were selling 2011/2013 macbooks / macbook pros as 2015 models at full rip. I took a picture but it might be too hard to read:



My second question: Would it be worth bringing the MBP to a real apple store (~1 hour away) to try and get my data off the drives? and what might I expect to pay?

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer
A 2008 should be easy to get the drive out. If you don't want to repair the laptop you could just get an enclosure for a 2.5" SATA(?) drive and read the contents that way.

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AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Perplx posted:

you could almost build a whole pc with thunderbolt 2 and a 10Gb nic and bridge the interfaces for $500

Where can you find a 10GbE card for less than several hundred dollars??

And I thought about the old Mac Pro option, but it's not very exciting to get gouged for old hardware that's deprecating fast.

The TB<->TB performance drop between Macs is kind of amazing.

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