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Ohhhh nooooooo Leomon!  And it looked like Ken was destroying eggs at the beginning of the episode... so.... he won't be coming back?I can't believe they didn't even mention the 02 kids at ALL. Surely with these portals opening they should at least discuss bringing them on board, but otherwise it just seems really lovely and cliquey to just exclude them completely. Especially since they're so welcoming to that new annoying girl. Oh and Joe's a selfish douche. Gomamon was right in dumping him. 3 movies left... who will be the focus of the next ones? TK/Kairi? Izzy/Sora? Matt/Tai/Annoying new girl
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Four movies actually, next one is Izzy/Takeru, so the one after that is probably Sora/Hikari. Once that's done I'm guessing the government duo could share a cover or maybe the 02 kids will show up. Right now i'd keep confident on the 02 Kids being relevant soon, as much as I kept saying nah to some friends of mine before, the Ocean of Darkness might play a big role in this since that's Ken's territory and his message could have something to do with it, if not then at the very least it's very likely that Ken is working with the rest of the 02 cast and since they fought with Alphamon they most likely know way more about what's going than anyone else.
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watching Tri, Mimi is still the strongest e: annoying theme of the movie so far: "Mimi owns way too much, gotta hammer that nail down" e2: they walked it back though so it's cool Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Mar 13, 2016 |
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So do we know who the weird hooded dragon Digimon is that's following them around? He looks sort of familiar.
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ahaha Himekawa of all people sending Hooters Mimi to Izzy e: this leomon scene WORLD OF KNIFE
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Burkion posted:So do we know who the weird hooded dragon Digimon is that's following them around? I'm not 100% sure, but it looks a lot like Hackmon?
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Seiyal posted:I'm not 100% sure, but it looks a lot like Hackmon? That's definitely who it is. Makes me wonder if Jesmon will show up later on.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:I didn't even know there was actually a BanchoLilymon, I figured that was a joke or something. It looks cooler than Rosemon, but Rosemon's aesthetics fit better with the rest of the crew. Ken isn't working with Himekawa, she shows surprise when she sees him by herself. She's definitely a villain though, watch her face during the reaction montage to Meicoomon going nuts. e: but yeah re: Ken and Imperialdramon, everyone's reactions are stupidly muted to Ken and I'm sorry but bullshit they just straight up BEAT Imperialdramon, that's ridiculous.
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Emong posted:That's definitely who it is. Makes me wonder if Jesmon will show up later on. The odds for Gankoomon to show are also pretty high. You know, it would be nice if the RK weren't in full Genocide mode for once.
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I don't think that's bullshit. Keep in mind, Imperialdramon is just a Mega Level, even in battle mode. Zudomon could take on Mega Level threats by himself- not win alone, but he could reasonably stand a chance. Hell he did that WITH Leomon before. The fact that he went Mega Level, and then Lillymon went Mega Level, meant it was two on one and then Leomon helped tip the odds even more in their favor. Add that to the fact that we know the Digimon aren't as strong when they're evil and corrupt, and you end up with a very dead Imperialdramon. I do love that they showed more concern for Ogremon than him though.
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Rodyle posted:Ken isn't working with Himekawa, she shows surprise when she sees him by herself. She's definitely a villain though, watch her face during the reaction montage to Meicoomon going nuts. That could be surprise like "oh poo poo I thought those kids loving died months ago, this one's alive and poo poo?!" and then found an opportunity to go talk with him. But yeah it's most likely that Ken is acting independently from her and the government, i simply like my little theory even though i'm 75% sure it's not the case. Imperialdramon is a punk and two megas plus Leomon taking him down sounds exactly right. Though he could also simply not have been truly defeated, we just saw a big-rear end smoke cloud and green data bytes.
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One thing I'm considering. Not sure how long we should continue spoiling discussion about this but might as well Assuming Something is up with Maincoomon specifically, and not the girl- though I think there might be something up with her and her Digivice as well, not strictly with Maincoomon- maybe he wasn't supposed to be her Digimon? Maybe he latched onto her and her natural potential as a Digidestined to hide from Alphamon and others. If that's the case, Hackmon might be her actual partner. Assuming she IS a DigiDestined, anyways.
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Burkion posted:I don't think that's bullshit. Besides that, Imperialdramon hasn't had the best track record without power-ups. He's a strong Mega, but never was a great fighter when it came to threats on his level. I'm just glad to see the Adventure kids with the least focus getting a win like that.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:The odds for Gankoomon to show are also pretty high. You know, it would be nice if the RK weren't in full Genocide mode for once. Is there ever a time when the Royal Knights aren't suffering from massive in-fighting and attempts to wipe out entire groups of people?
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Rhonne posted:Is there ever a time when the Royal Knights aren't suffering from massive in-fighting and attempts to wipe out entire groups of people? Not as a group, no. I don't know why they're always placed in the villain role in the fiction.
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It's kind of crazy that the group that is supposed to serve as the protectors of the digital world has been the bad guys more than the group of digimon that is made up of literal demons.
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Ethiser posted:It's kind of crazy that the group that is supposed to serve as the protectors of the digital world has been the bad guys more than the group of digimon that is made up of literal demons. nobody likes a paladin
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I want to see them break the mold and do something with the Olympus XII instead. I am really sick of the knights falling into the exact same plot of following Yggdrasil as it malfunctions. It's so overdone.
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Geostomp posted:Not as a group, no. I don't know why they're always placed in the villain role in the fiction. Well, IIRC they are actually helpful in the Digimon Crusaders game. Geostomp posted:I want to see them break the mold and do something with the Olympus XII instead. I am really sick of the knights falling into the exact same plot of following Yggdrasil as it malfunctions. It's so overdone. To be fair, Yggdrassil wasn't entirely wrong during Savers' events.
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Rodyle posted:e: but yeah re: Ken and Imperialdramon, everyone's reactions are stupidly muted to Ken and I'm sorry but bullshit they just straight up BEAT Imperialdramon, that's ridiculous. Imperialdramon couldn't beat an Ultimate level digimon as Paildramon, and needed to turn into a super mode just to beat Skullsatamon. Basically what I'm saying is he was a chump.
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I just think it's hilarious, as someone who copped out of Digimon after Tamers, that you all refer to these Royal Knights guys being an old and tired plot point. I didn't even know what those were until it was brought up in the thread.
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Twiddy posted:I just think it's hilarious, as someone who copped out of Digimon after Tamers, that you all refer to these Royal Knights guys being an old and tired plot point. I didn't even know what those were until it was brought up in the thread. If it helps to date it, they've been in the series since at least the tail end of Frontier, and in fairly constant use since then.
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Rodyle posted:watching Tri, Mimi is still the strongest I'm glad Mimi's important moral lesson is "gently caress the haters"
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Burkion posted:One thing I'm considering. Not sure how long we should continue spoiling discussion about this but might as well I like this. The similarity between Meiko and Meicoomon's names is cute thematically but almost TOO much so to ignore. Also we already have a girl with a cute cat Digidestined Digimon, but a girl with an awesome sword dragon Digimon would be new so I'm all for it.
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The Royal Knights take an undeniably heroic role in the Digimon Xros Wars manga, which is good and you all should read it. And the other versions (beyond loving Frontier) have a mix of "just following orders" and genuinely good beings. That said yeah, give us other groups. The Olympus XIII, or hell, a smaller group like the Three Musketeers.
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Also Meiko is good because she does dumb poo poo like run up to Taichi in the men's sauna, go all "it's cool my glasses are all fogged up", then lift her glasses to check out his crotch.
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Can I just say THANK YOU DIGIMON TRI We had an entire Hot Springs Spa episode and not a bit of it was spent lingering on half naked underage girls. Holy poo poo I never thought anime could be so restrained anymore. There was ZERO fanservice in the hotsprings episode! Sure we got Bouncing Tits Mon a few episodes later, but you know at least she looks like an adult and isn't literally 14. Also who ever is writing Digimon Tri really want Tai and Matt to gently caress. Which they should, to be fair. Just get it over with guys!
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Meiko is still a totally awful character (She's like a bad fanfiction OC) but the recent episodes have given me a newfound appreciation for Mimi. She's rad. It's been overall good so far.
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how is Meiko a "bad fanfiction character"? Especially in comparison to the pre-existing girl who is 1) related to the main character, 2) is the focus of an entire arc, 3) has a partner that has both a mysterious past and is a level above everyone else, and 4) has a heretofore unexplained power that makes her more special than everyone else?
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TFRazorsaw posted:how is Meiko a "bad fanfiction character"? Especially in comparison to the pre-existing girl who is 1) related to the main character, 2) is the focus of an entire arc, 3) has a partner that has both a mysterious past and is a level above everyone else, and 4) has a heretofore unexplained power that makes her more special than everyone else? You forgot 5) has no personality whatsoever and is mostly a walking deus ex machina (almost literally, at that). I really, really hate Hikari. 02 making her even more bland somehow while taking away any importance she might've had didn't endear me to her either. Tri has put some effort into making her a bit more of a character, but we'll see how that goes. Meiko is fine. She isn't super interesting but she has a clear personality and some amusing interactions with Mimi. Meicoomon is also fine and I'm looking forward to find out what she really is.
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TFRazorsaw posted:how is Meiko a "bad fanfiction character"? Especially in comparison to the pre-existing girl who is 1) related to the main character, 2) is the focus of an entire arc, 3) has a partner that has both a mysterious past and is a level above everyone else, and 4) has a heretofore unexplained power that makes her more special than everyone else? I can see where the comparisons come from, so calm your tits. Kari was never in that vein- she's a Sixth Ranger archetype, not a mary sue insert. Mary Sue Insert better fits what Meiko *COULD* have been than anything with Kari. Meiko is randomly thrown into the main clique despite no one knowing who she is and there being nothing 'special' about her, her Digimon is ridiculously cute and popular and everyone loves it, she has a classic Digivice like the cool kids, blah blah blah blah blah She has all of the traits of one. She's not because she's genuinely a good character if not one note so far, and because a lot of that is set up to give you the wrong idea. Because that's not what she, or at least her partner, really is. It's a lie. I don't know about her HERSELF, but her Digimon and seemingly her Digivice are not what they appear at all, and I wouldn't be surprised if she was something more as well. She's presented as the most stereotypical NEW PERSON GUY that you see in fanfics and badly done follow ups just to throw you off the track that yeah, something is wrong with them. This is intentional and calling it out just shows that they noticed the first bit. That's like, basic story telling.
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I like Hikari just fine. I said that because you can make "fanfic character traits" accusations of a particular long-standing character relatively just as easily as you can Meiko. But you can also do that in other canons with hugging BATMAN or something. I think the standards change a bit when you're dealing with, not fanfiction, but an actual canonical work being produced for consumption.
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TFRazorsaw posted:I like Hikari just fine. I said that because you can make "fanfic character traits" accusations of a particular long-standing character relatively just as easily as you can Meiko. But you can also do that in other canons with hugging BATMAN or something. The thing is that Kari isn't that kind of character. Just, top to bottom. She's not a Mary Sue Self Insert style character, which exist IN actual fiction as much as it does fanfiction. Don't forget the likes of Wesley Crusher and other horrible characters. Kari is, straight up, just the Sixth Ranger. She and Gatomon form the most basic left to right right to left Sixth Ranger archetype you're going to find short of Tommy Goddamn Oliver. She's more a Sixth Ranger than Ken, who was an even more literal Sixth Ranger type. Hell the fact that she was literally part of the show from before there was the actual anime, as remember the first Digimon movie came out BEFORE the TV series, breaks the idea that she could fit into the Mary Sue Archetype. So it's just a flatly wrong comparison to make. Take it from a writer. Meiko is more in line with the Mary Sue Archetype because that's how she's set up in the series. Don't forget though, before the series, the marketing played her up as mysterious and potentially sinister, which is why no one should be worried that she's meant to be a Mary Sue type at all. She is ambiguous and I want to see where that goes. The other thing I'm concerned about is the Epilogue. If that is strictly canon, and they're not going to deviate from it what so ever, even the dumber things, then it's going to invalidate a lot of stuff they're actually DOING with Tri. Notably the entire Izzy Mimi relationship is getting brought up only to go literally nowhere because we know they don't end up together. If all Tri does is build to the Epilogue without meaningfully changing any of it, or at least redeeming it, then this entire exercise is going to be kind of futile and will leave a bad taste in my mouth. The Sora Tai Matt stuff, whatever, it's not been too bad yet. The TK Kari stuff is there but again, understated. Izzy and Mimi getting built up as a thing has been going strong ever since Izzy learned Mimi was back in the country and has been a defining thing for the dude on a personal level. So I'm really worried about the ending of Tri at the moment. Thankfully Tri itself is fantastic and we have four more movies to hopefully see what they're really doing.
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Whatever. I'm not going to argue endlessly with you again. I made my point and I stand by it.
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TFRazorsaw posted:Whatever. I'm not going to argue endlessly with you again. I made my point and I stand by it. We're not arguing. You're just wrong about Kari. She's literally the second character introduced in the Digimon Adventure franchise. I don't even know why you wanted to argue about it because we both agree on the point of the whole thing- the new girl isn't what she appears to be. She's not a Mary Sue archetype. I don't know why you like to argue but it's silly.
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a cartoon duck posted:I'm glad Mimi's important moral lesson is "gently caress the haters" It is a big part of her crest, after all.
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I kind of remember Kari being an okay character addition. Gatomon's whole plot of going from being the bad guy's lieutenant to being the "but more special" member of the cast was Power Rangers as hell, mostly because she hangs out in Champion form all the time, and that "just like everyone else but one stage more powerful" thing is a lot like a sentai show's Bonus Hero. It becomes less meaningful by the time Wargreymon etc are semi-regular appearances.
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kari owns, as does gatomon also she was the one who was my age when the first series came out so i guess i always liked her best cause of that too
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What are the odds that they bring back Ladydevimon so she and Angewomon can fight again?
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My one problem with Gatoman was that there was never really enough of a nod to her being perma-champion. Show needed more of her just casually swatting dudes aside.
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