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quote:Exactly three minutes later, Captain Walter von Schönkopf appeared in front of Yang. He was the Captain of the Rosen Ritter, or "Knights of the Rose" regiment, which was affiliated with the Alliance Armed Forces ground battle commissioner's department. He was a man in his early thirties with a refined appearance, though those of his own gender often considered him a "pretentious SOB".
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Amazing. I was hoping for "He looked like Harrison Ford"
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Mar 15, 2016 13:47
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Patter Song posted:Edit: Alliance Rear Admiral Caselnes' name will take some time to get used to, although Caselnes is not really odder than Cazellnu. "Job Trünicht," complete with umlaut, dramatically changes the sound of that character's name and raises questions. Is he descended from recent Imperial refugees? No. Job Trunicht is pronounced with an umlautted u in the show as well.
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Mar 15, 2016 19:18
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I got that sense about Trunicht as well. The show never said anything explicitly, or even really suggests connections to the empire, but I think it's good characterization.
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Mar 15, 2016 20:46
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The most astonishing thing about the book so far is that they manage to make you dislike Andrew Fork even more.
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Mar 16, 2016 00:28
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I always thought Truniht was in league with the space illuminatti
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Mar 16, 2016 06:07
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Infected posted:The most astonishing thing about the book so far is that they manage to make you dislike Andrew Fork even more. I don't believe you.
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Mar 16, 2016 07:02
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Julian is with Yang due to a hosed up program where the government adopts out war orphans to soldiers and pays child support...under the understanding that if the child grows up as a soldier repayment is waived but if the kid wants to be a civilian you have to repay years of child support.
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Mar 16, 2016 17:39
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While I'm here, I remember an argument over whether the PKC was based on the KKK or the SA/brownshirts of the Nazi Party.quote:That was when the security system's lamp began to flash and make a nervous sound. Julian flippen on the monitor. Many human forms were displayed on its infrared enhanced screen. All wore white hoods over their heads with only their eyes exposed. Well, that settles that.
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Mar 16, 2016 17:53
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Patter Song posted:Julian is with Yang due to a hosed up program where the government adopts out war orphans to soldiers and pays child support...under the understanding that if the child grows up as a soldier repayment is waived but if the kid wants to be a civilian you have to repay years of child support. Pretty sure they actually mention this in the show, or maybe I'm just confusing it with the identical scheme they run for Yang's college tuition.
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Mar 16, 2016 20:02
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skasion posted:Pretty sure they actually mention this in the show, or maybe I'm just confusing it with the identical scheme they run for Yang's college tuition. I'm almost positive they don't talk about that at all in the main OVA, all I remember is them talking about the similar scheme for 'free' tuition
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Mar 16, 2016 21:14
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Patter Song posted:Edit: Alliance Rear Admiral Caselnes' name will take some time to get used to, although Caselnes is not really odder than Cazellnu. "Job Trünicht," complete with umlaut, dramatically changes the sound of that character's name and raises questions. Is he descended from recent Imperial refugees? Also, I always thought Alex's surname was supposed to be Cazenave (an actual French surname)
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Mar 16, 2016 22:33
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It's the 35th century, they might have invented some new surnames by then.
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Mar 16, 2016 22:34
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Elotana posted:Trunicht is a pretty clearly Teutonic name with or without the umlaut By the same token, I assumed Castelnau.
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Mederlock posted:I'm almost positive they don't talk about that at all in the main OVA, all I remember is them talking about the similar scheme for 'free' tuition Yeah in the series the part that's mentioned is yang going to a military school for the free tuition, and having to pay it back if he doesn't join the military. The stuff about war orphan reimbursement was new to me! and very interesting.
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Mar 17, 2016 00:45
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Since this thread is kind of hopping again, I'll mention I uploaded the entire core series to Dailymotion, for those who don't want to download the whole thing. Laserdisc version. I'll probably start on the prequels eventually.
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VostokProgram posted:It's the 35th century, they might have invented some new surnames by then. They mention in the book that after a millennia of everyone sexing everyone else, surnames have only a tenuous relation to anyone's actual ethnic background.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:16
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Even so - names and character ethnicity seem pretty well matched in the show... Would've been funny if Yang was still Chinese but named Archie McTaggart or Mashengo being Clive Grosvenor-Oakes.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:24
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Apparently Frederica Greenhill has a perfect memory. I don't remember that in the show, but maybe it was. Edit: quote:As to why the number 13 was unlucky, there was no general consensus. One theory said that it was because the thermonuclear war that had nearly eradicated humanity on Terra (and provided the impetus for the survivors to completely abolish nuclear fission weapons) had lasted 13 days. Another claimed it to be because the founder of a long-dead religion had been betrayed by his thirteenth disciple. Patter Song fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Mar 17, 2016 |
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Mar 17, 2016 17:27
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Patter Song posted:Apparently Frederica Greenhill has a perfect memory. I don't remember that in the show, but maybe it was. Yep - it was the primary reason she was recommended as an adjutant in the first place. There are several instances of Frederica reminiscing with Yang about El Facil, and proving her memory to be much better than his. Most notably the time she recollects bringing him coffee.
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Mar 17, 2016 19:33
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quote:Reinhard stretched out his long, supple fingers and playfully tugged at his best friend's hair, as red as if dyed with molten rubies. Reinhard would do this sort of thing from time to time when no one else was around. During his boyhood, he would describe Kircheis' hair according to his whim: whenever they were quarreling, a state that never lasted long, he would say mean things like "What's with that red hair? It looks like blood." Then after they made up, he would praise it, calling it "really pretty, like a burning flame." 
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Am I the only one who can't help but think "meanwhile, at the Legion of Doom" every time we see
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The Sandman posted:Am I the only one who can't help but think "meanwhile, at the Legion of Doom" every time we see No you're not. It always struck me as a really weird element of the show that everybody is in a more or less realistic world acting out a reasonably believable fictional history and then you have Rubinsky acting as some kind of hidden overarching puppetmaster by doing little more than sitting around drinking and smugly talking about his schemes to his skeptical mistress.
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Mar 18, 2016 05:28
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Pornographic Memory posted:No you're not. It always struck me as a really weird element of the show that everybody is in a more or less realistic world acting out a reasonably believable fictional history and then you have Rubinsky acting as some kind of hidden overarching puppetmaster by doing little more than sitting around drinking and smugly talking about his schemes to his skeptical mistress. I wonder if that's a deliberate thing, to have an unbelievable villain in an otherwise believable setting. Like a comic relief valve or something for when the main part of the story is too heavy?
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Mar 18, 2016 06:41
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Rubinsky's hokey but never felt that out of place to me. The Terraists were always the real offenders in that category IMO.
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Mar 18, 2016 06:51
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Rubinsky had a neat character design and had presence, the Terraists were a bunch of cackling imbeciles who couldn't do jack poo poo. Except for that one bit, and that didn't actually aid their position in the galactic stage.
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Phobophilia posted:Rubinsky had a neat character design and had presence, the Terraists were a bunch of cackling imbeciles who couldn't do jack poo poo. Yang, who is almost always right, straight up says "Terrorism can't change history." Would def mesh better with setting if they didn't dress like idiots, though.
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Mar 18, 2016 20:01
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Remember the "lucky" Ulysses that became Yang's Flagship later on, I don't remember if this little tidbit made it into the show.quote:The battleship Ulysses had taken damage from imperial cannon fire. This damage was of the "minor but serious" variety. What had been destroyed was the microbe-based wastewater treatment system, and for that reason, the crew was forced to continue fighting with their feet drenched in regurgitated sewage.
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Mar 18, 2016 20:33
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Haha, that's awesome. They say that it took a hit to the toilets in the series but wasn't quite as explicit.
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Patter Song posted:Apparently Frederica Greenhill has a perfect memory. I don't remember that in the show, but maybe it was. Thermonuclear weapons are fusion weapons 
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SHISHKABOB posted:Thermonuclear weapons are fusion weapons They use both 
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VostokProgram posted:They use both Yeah and nuclear power plants use steam to run the generators but you don't call them steam plants.
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Mar 18, 2016 22:46
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Apparently the Alliance's favorite sport is flyball, which is basketball except at 0.15 Gs and the hoop moves around the stadium at high speed. Julian is quite good at it. We were robbed of a flyball episode. That totally should've happened.
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Mar 19, 2016 06:06
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How long is this first novel? I think I want it.
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DamnGlitch posted:How long is this first novel? I think I want it. A little under 300 pages.
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P-Mack posted:Yang, who is almost always right, straight up says "Terrorism can't change history." I think the moral of the show, if there is one, is that there is an inevitable march of history towards some kind of metastability. In the case of the events depicted in the show, it is peace through reunification of humanity. So from the first episode, there were two plausible outcomes: the alliance eating the decaying Empire, or the reinvigorated empire eating the best of the Alliance, into some kind of megastate less morally repugnant than the old Empire. In particular, the Terraists couldn't push back history and make Earth culturally and economically relevant again, nor replace Odin as the head of the hierarchy. Nor can the old high aristocrats of the Empire regain power, because their abuse of the empire had reached a breaking point. But Reinhardt's won, and I found the show too generous towards the Empire. Like holy poo poo, look at the place, it's culturally stagnant and has been deliberately deindustrialised. Phezzan and Heinessen come off as more up and coming. I don't find the resilience of the Empire very plausible, Reinhardt notwithstanding. The old Empire should have been sloughing off massive chunks of itself over the course of the series. But instead, Friedrich barely resists the Reinhardt usurping the throne, and the Alliance cripples itself in a spectacular act of hubris, handing Reinhardt the prize. As for "Terrorism can't change history", hahaha! Well, a better explanation is, terrorism can't change history of the victims of terrorism decide to use it as an excuse to do everything the terrorists wanted them to do!
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Phobophilia posted:I think the moral of the show, if there is one, is that there is an inevitable march of history towards some kind of metastability. In the case of the events depicted in the show, it is peace through reunification of humanity. So from the first episode, there were two plausible outcomes: the alliance eating the decaying Empire, or the reinvigorated empire eating the best of the Alliance, into some kind of megastate less morally repugnant than the old Empire. In particular, the Terraists couldn't push back history and make Earth culturally and economically relevant again, nor replace Odin as the head of the hierarchy. Nor can the old high aristocrats of the Empire regain power, because their abuse of the empire had reached a breaking point. In my opinion Reinhard's empire is doomed to collapse about ten minutes after the show ends. The reason why the old Reich didn't collapse was because the landowning nobility had more to gain from supporting the Kaiser than they did from striking out on their own -- if you stay in the empire you might have to furnish supplies and troops or something, maybe, but if you leave the Reich can kick your rear end because no individual noble seems to possess enough military force to handle the Reichsflotte (and this seems to be true right up to the highest tiers of command). There's no true will to change within the upper nobility and what's more, they are all in the same social circle thanks to the kind of snobbish palace culture they have so they're not gunning for big time civil war either. What Reinhard does is instead bind the nobility to him through charisma and the promise of conquest, which is cool and all but also has the consequence of clearing out the old nobility and their complacency and in place of them making his leading admirals insanely powerful and capable of controlling massive military forces on their own initiative. This builds and then almost destroys his empire within his lifetime and the kicker is there's not really anything to stop it from happening again in his absence. Mittermeyer isn't the type to seize supreme power, but what about Bittenfeld? Wahlen? Müller? They were all loyal to Reinhard but what they're probably all thinking is why they should they remain loyal to his wife and kid. The parallels to Alexander's death are entirely intentional and even highlighted by Mittermeyer's line to Felix. i.e. now that the boss is dead, it's time for some wars of the diadochoi, and everybody's conquest can be the sea of stars. I don't see it ending well for Reinhard's bloodline -- look what happened to Alexander IV. I think that what is meant by "Die Sage ist vorüber, die Historie beginnt" or whatever is a recognition that poo poo is all downhill from here. This grand gesture of dying at the height of his power with a sweeping plan of reform left behind him is the last moment of the golden age that Reinhard brought, and now we're rolling on into the age of iron, where the historian retelling the story can lionize Reinhard because his progressive programs and strong central power are appealing relative to what is happening in the storyteller's modern, historical time and place. The moral of the show is literally spelled out for us and doesn't have anything to do with any trend towards political stability, it's "people are the same wherever, whenever".
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skasion posted:The moral of the show is literally spelled out for us and doesn't have anything to do with any trend towards political stability, it's "people are the same wherever, whenever". "In every age and in every place, the deeds of men remain the same." Yes, it's literally the moral of the story.
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Oh my... Rubinsky's device for chatting with the Grand Bishop is some crazy FTL telepathy thing that broadcasts brain waves.
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