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| Goku |
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202 | 7.09% |
| Vegeta |
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279 | 9.79% |
| Krillin |
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208 | 7.30% |
| Piccolo or his nameks |
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212 | 7.44% |
| Gohan or Cool Gohan |
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135 | 4.74% |
| Yamcha |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Tien |
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120 | 4.21% |
| Muten Roshi |
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89 | 3.12% |
| Tao Pai Pai |
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71 | 2.49% |
| Frieza |
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69 | 2.42% |
| Cell or an android |
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86 | 3.02% |
| Buu |
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62 | 2.18% |
| Hercule "Mark" Satan |
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327 | 11.48% |
| Videl |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Bulma |
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104 | 3.65% |
| Yajirobe |
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99 | 3.47% |
| Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy |
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68 | 2.39% |
| King kai or another kai |
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53 | 1.86% |
| Chi-Chi |
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83 | 2.91% |
| Goten |
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43 | 1.51% |
| Trunks or Cool Trunks |
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112 | 3.93% |
| Bardock |
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48 | 1.68% |
| Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) |
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41 | 1.44% |
| Uub |
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42 | 1.47% |
| Oolong |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Zamasu |
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26 | 0.91% |
| Total: | 1326 votes | ||
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Yeah, he was only using normal Super Saiyan and even that seemed like overkill against Frost. I get the feeling Frost was supposed to be around the level of Final Form Freiza.
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Mar 13, 2016 23:08
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you mean frieza from his return in super? I could see that, since any earlier and piccolo should have been able to beat him in like one hit
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Mar 13, 2016 23:12
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No, I meant the 100% Freiza Goku fought on Namek. It makes more sense that Piccolo would have trouble with him then be able to fight someone on Buu's level, really.
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Mar 14, 2016 00:39
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Momomo posted:No, I meant the 100% Freiza Goku fought on Namek. It makes more sense that Piccolo would have trouble with him then be able to fight someone on Buu's level, really. But piccolo went toe to toe with android 17 and only lost on the account of being a flesh and blood mortal who actually got tired from being punched a lot. I think you're just racist against Namekians.
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Mar 14, 2016 00:41
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Stairmaster posted:But piccolo went toe to toe with android 17 and only lost on the account of being a flesh and blood mortal who actually got tired from being punched a lot. I don't think Frost is as strong as Revival of F Freeza, but he's definitely stronger than normal Freeza. Mostly because he has to put some kind of effort into things. I'd wager he's somewhere in between Revival of F and 100%. One important thing to remember is that in Revival of F, Freeza wasn't going all out in his final form. He was just going at his base final form power. He simply didn't waste time going full power because he had an even greater form. Frost clearly was at his limits and utterly out matched against regular old Goku. Goku going SSJ was just him being mean.
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Mar 14, 2016 01:32
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Freeza was also notoriously lazy in the main series. It's implied that the last time he fought seriously before Namek was against Bardock and the Saiyans, and even in that fight he didn't get out of his chair. Frost at least gets around into battles and stuff. I'd expect him to be around Cell-era Piccolo or the Super Saiyans.
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Mar 14, 2016 01:57
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I wanna remind you guys that Piccolo had trouble against what's-his-face from the Frieza army. Power level consistency went out the window loooong ago.
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Mar 14, 2016 02:01
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Pureauthor posted:I wanna remind you guys that Piccolo had trouble against what's-his-face from the Frieza army. To be fair, Sasimi did train for 4 months.
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Mar 14, 2016 02:07
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Pureauthor posted:I wanna remind you guys that Piccolo had trouble against what's-his-face from the Frieza army. Thank god they fixed it in Super.
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Mar 14, 2016 02:07
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Hey, power levels are always consistent: Goku Today's Villain Vegeta This space intentionally left blank Everybody else in some order Yamcha
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Mar 14, 2016 02:16
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Stairmaster posted:But piccolo went toe to toe with android 17 and only lost on the account of being a flesh and blood mortal who actually got tired from being punched a lot. I'm sure Frost wasn't meant to be that weak, I just mean that he's more comparable to a Super Saiyan than a Super Saiyan 3. Piccolo's surely gotten stronger since 17 but since he's done absolutely nothing since then, it's impossible to tell by how much.
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Mar 14, 2016 04:30
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There's no way in hell that Frost is meant to be as strong as Buu but power level discussions should always come back to "whatever makes for the best* story at any given point" *their opinion
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Mar 14, 2016 08:53
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Momomo posted:I'm sure Frost wasn't meant to be that weak, I just mean that he's more comparable to a Super Saiyan than a Super Saiyan 3. Piccolo's surely gotten stronger since 17 but since he's done absolutely nothing since then, it's impossible to tell by how much. Goku's base Super Saiyan form is FAR above 17 though. I imagine Frost is somewhere between 17 absorbed and Perfect Cell.
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Mar 14, 2016 13:24
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Rutibex posted:Goku should stop hogging all of the good techniques and teach Piccolo the Kaio-Ken, then he could multiply his power and keep up with the big boys. I mean how many times does the universe have to be in danger because Goku is the only one who knows how to teleport? Its just irresponsible to keep these moves to himself, especially considering how often he shamelessly steals Tiens techniques. Really though, Goku has never been a teacher. He's a fighter. I doubt he even knows how to teach those skills to another fighter. King Kai however is a dick head. Maybe he's just ornery about being dead all these years and won't teach anyone else how to Kaio-ken!
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Mar 14, 2016 14:03
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Drowning Rabbit posted:King Kai however is a dick head. Maybe he's just ornery about being dead all these years and won't teach anyone else how to Kaio-ken! Last time he tried, his student paid him by destroying his house and killing him and his pets, then evaded every chance he had to bring them back to life. Honestly I would stop teaching too.
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Mar 14, 2016 16:16
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Yorkshire Tea posted:Goku's base Super Saiyan form is FAR above 17 though. Where do we have a metric from on how he compares to 17? It's all sort of conjecture, but it kinda feels like growth after SSJ was a lot slower than before it.
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Mar 14, 2016 16:26
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The humans couldn't physically handle the kaioken because they're not physically durable enough. Piccolo should be able to, otoh, but he may not need the tech given his perfect ki control (without knowing more about what kaioken does exactly)
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Mar 14, 2016 16:35
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visceril posted:The humans couldn't physically handle the kaioken because they're not physically durable enough. Tien didn't need to learn the lovely Kaio Ken, he already invented a better technique for multiplying his power back in Dragonball  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY9g-0d7BK0
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Mar 14, 2016 16:49
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projecthalaxy posted:Hey, power levels are always consistent: tbh goku is only the strongest character in dbz for the period between going super saiyan for the first time and the androids showing up
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Mar 14, 2016 17:05
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Drowning Rabbit posted:Really though, Goku has never been a teacher. He's a fighter. I doubt he even knows how to teach those skills to another fighter. Even before then when the other Z-fighters were there, he really didn't teach them poo poo as far as I can tell. He spent most of their training staring at Namek while they all hosed around.
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Mar 14, 2016 17:23
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Rutibex posted:Tien didn't need to learn the lovely Kaio Ken, he already invented a better technique for multiplying his power back in Dragonball He didn't invent anything, that was the Crane Hermit's move. Credit where its due, he might've been a monster who was bad enough to ruin every friendship or similar he had, and was more than willing to murder his students if they became unruly, but he made a drat good move.
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Mar 14, 2016 18:25
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Mordaedil posted:Where do we have a metric from on how he compares to 17? It's all sort of conjecture, but it kinda feels like growth after SSJ was a lot slower than before it. He did go toe-to-toe with Perfect Cell, 17 couldn't even deal with 1st Form Cell after he had absorbed a few thousand people.
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Mar 14, 2016 18:28
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Blaze Dragon posted:He didn't invent anything, that was the Crane Hermit's move. Credit where its due, he might've been a monster who was bad enough to ruin every friendship or similar he had, and was more than willing to murder his students if they became unruly, but he made a drat good move. I thought that was Tien's own ability. Crane Hermit had the finger beams and flight.
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Mar 14, 2016 18:36
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It was taught to him by the Crane Hermit. Though while Shen invented the move, Tien was the one who took it to new heights.
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Mar 14, 2016 18:41
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Yeah, the original Kikoho is a Crane Hermit move. Roshi even complains when he sees it the first time about his counterpart teaching a move that can kill the user to someone. However, it's Tenshinhan that created the much more powerful (and also far more deadly to the user) "Shin" version that is powerful enough to keep Semi-Perfect Cell in place in spite of Tenshinhan being far weaker than Cell. If anything, you'd expect the series would make more use of that. Stuff like the Kienzan, Kikoho, Makkankosappo, and Final Flash that were able to hurt enemies far beyond the user's power. Instead Final Flash is used a grand total of once, the Kienzan is never effective and the anime entirely misunderstands how it works because Toei, the Kikoho gets some really cool moments but ultimately the only one it hurts is Tenshinhan himself, and the Specially Weirdly Named Cannon disappears only to reappear to fight Shisami (in which it does nothing) and Frost (where it would've definitely been a winning trump card...if Piccolo didn't get poisoned). The Dragon Fist also greatly amplifies the user's Ki but it's a movie move so we'll never see it in-canon, plus it was a basically perfect move with no weaknesses when a constant point of those moves is that they're all flawed to make up for how powerful they are.
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Mar 14, 2016 20:52
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Real talk guys. That Piccolo/Frost fight wasn't that great. I watched it after all the hype and I was very disappointed. Seems like Piccolo might have been able to win had he, you know, FOUGHT instead of gimping himself by going in one-handed and dodging around like a lunatic the entire time.
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Mar 14, 2016 21:12
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Mordaedil posted:Where do we have a metric from on how he compares to 17? It's all sort of conjecture, but it kinda feels like growth after SSJ was a lot slower than before it. uh that time he fought perfect cell?
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Mar 14, 2016 21:45
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I don't remember Frost fighting Cell.
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Mar 14, 2016 21:56
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Mordaedil posted:I don't remember Frost fighting Cell. Well maybe you should re-read volume 49 of the manga  .
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Mar 14, 2016 21:58
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Stairmaster posted:uh that time he fought perfect cell? When did he do that? I only remember Piccilo fighting first form Cell and getting anywhere. He has his rear end handed to him by semi-perfect Cell, and even a Cell Jr.
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Mar 14, 2016 22:02
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Who'd win: Piccolo or Saitama?
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Mar 14, 2016 22:11
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Rutibex posted:When did he do that? I only remember Piccilo fighting first form Cell and getting anywhere. He has his rear end handed to him by semi-perfect Cell, and even a Cell Jr. We're talking about SSJ Goku
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Mar 14, 2016 22:14
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Covok posted:Who'd win: Piccolo or Saitama? This was answered literally in the first chapter of One Punch man
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Mar 14, 2016 22:20
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Who'd win: Taopaipai or King Chappa?
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Mar 14, 2016 22:55
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Who'd win: Taopaipai or King Chappa? Taopaipai. King Chappa got knocked out with one kick by a kid Goku.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:04
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Covok posted:Taopaipai. King Chappa got knocked out with one kick by a kid Goku. Yeah, but that was after Goku had been training for three years after beating Taopaipai.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:07
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King Chappa shows no Ki knowledge, so it's likely he's weaker than Taopaipai who can use the Dodonpa. He'd also fight honourably while Taopaipai can and will do anything to win.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:29
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New Leaf posted:Real talk guys. That Piccolo/Frost fight wasn't that great. I watched it after all the hype and I was very disappointed. Seems like Piccolo might have been able to win had he, you know, FOUGHT instead of gimping himself by going in one-handed and dodging around like a lunatic the entire time. goku told him he couldn't win
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Mar 17, 2016 16:59
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Why was Piccolo even on the team?
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Mar 17, 2016 17:16
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sharktamer posted:Why was Piccolo even on the team? because gohan had work.
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Mar 17, 2016 17:16
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