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Best Symphogear
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Chris 41 39.42%
Hibiki 26 25.00%
Tsubasa 5 4.81%
Shirabe 5 4.81%
Kirika 3 2.88%
Maria 9 8.65%
Genjuro 15 14.42%
Total: 104 votes
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Parallax
Jan 14, 2006

i know its the norm but it feels weird to get excited for spin offs to a thing that doesn't really exist yet

also weird for there to be so many spin offs

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Admoon
Oct 29, 2009

Sharkopath posted:

Guess who else was a fan.

Ebert.

Also in Life is Strange one of the characters calls Spirits Within the best animated movie ever made. This was put in because one of the developers really believes that.

Bad Seafood
Dec 10, 2010


If you must blink, do it now.

Roger Ebert posted:

Other movies have been made entirely on computers, but ''Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within'' is the first to attempt realistic human characters. Not Shrek with his trumpet ears, but the space soldier Gray Edwards, who looks so much like Ben Affleck that I wonder if royalties were involved. The movie, named after a famous series of video games, creates Planet Earth, circa 2065, where humans huddle beneath energy shields and wraithlike aliens prowl the globe. The film tells a story that would have seemed traditional in the golden age of Asimov, van Vogt and Heinlein. But science fiction fans of that era would have wept with joy at the visuals, and they grabbed me, too. I have a love of astonishing sights, of films that show me landscapes and cityscapes that exist only in the imagination, and ''Final Fantasy'' creates a world that is neither live action nor animation, but some parallel cyberuniverse.

The characters live in that cyberspace, too. Not for an instant do we believe that Dr. Aki Ross, the heroine, is a real human. But we concede she is lifelike, which is the whole point. She has an eerie presence that is at once subtly unreal and yet convincing. Her movements (which mirror the actions of real actors) feel about right, and her hair blows convincingly in the wind. The first closeup of her face and eyes is startling because the filmmakers are not afraid to give us a good, long look--they dare us not to admire their craft. If Aki is not as real as a human actress, she is about as real as a Playmate who has been retouched to a glossy perfection.

The story involves a struggle by Aki and a band of Deep Eyes (futuristic human warriors) to defend the survivors of an alien invasion of Earth. Humans live inside energy shields that protect some of the largest cities and venture out cautiously, armored and armed, to do battle with the aliens, who look like free-form transparent monster nightmares; I was reminded of the water creature in ''The Abyss.'' The aliens can infect humans with their virus or essence, and Aki (voice of Ming-Na) thinks she can defeat them by channeling the eight ''spirit waves'' of Earth--or Gaia, the planetary soul.

Her allies include Gray Edwards (voice of Alec Baldwin), who is the leader of the Deep Eyes troop, and Dr. Sid (Donald Sutherland), her wise old teacher. Her other teammates include the pilot Neil (Steve Buscemi) and the fighters Ryan (Ving Rhames) and Jane Proudfoot (Peri Gilpin). Leading the forces of evil is Gen. Hein (James Woods), who wants to blast the aliens with his high-tech orbiting space cannon. Those who find a parallel between Hein's cannon and George W. Bush's missile shield will find it easy to assign Aki and her friends to the environmentalists; they believe the Earth's mantle sits above a Gaia-sphere containing the planet's life force, and that if the cannon destroys it, not only the aliens but all human life will die. One of Aki's early expeditions is to find, rescue and tend for a tiny green growing thing that has survived in the wasteland caused (I think) when a giant meteorite crashed into Earth and released the aliens it contained.

The aliens are strange creatures, made stranger still by the film's inconsistency in handling them. Without revealing one major secret about their essence, I can ask how they seem to be physical and conceptual both at once. They defeat a human not by physically attacking him, but by absorbing his life essence. Yet they can be blasted to smithereens by the weapons of the Deep Eyes. Maybe the human weapons are not conventional, but operate on the alien's wavelength; either I got confused on that point, or the movie did.

Enough about the plot, which is merely the carrier for the movie's vision. The reason to see this movie is simply, gloriously, to look at it. Aki has dream scenes on another planet, where a vast celestial sphere half-fills the sky. We see New York City in 2065, ruined, ghostlike, except for the portions under the protective dome. There are action sequences that only vaguely obey the laws of gravity, and yet seem convincing because we have become familiar with the characters who occupy them. Shots like the one where we look straight up at Aki standing on the surface of a shimmering lake. And the infrastructure of the protective dome, its corridors and machines surpassing any possible real-world sets. ''Final Fantasy'' took four years to create. A computer animation team, half-Japanese, half-American, worked in Hawaii with director Hironobu Sakaguchi; they shot many of the physical movements and then rotoscoped them, and artists were assigned to specialize in particular characters. The most realistic are probably Dr. Sid and Ryan. It all comes together into a kind of amazing experience; it's like you're witnessing a Heavy Metal story come to life.

Is there a future for this kind of expensive filmmaking ($140 million, I've heard)? I hope so, because I want to see more movies like this, and see how much further they can push the technology. Maybe someday I'll actually be fooled by a computer-generated actor (but I doubt it). The point anyway is not to replace actors and the real world, but to transcend them--to penetrate into a new creative space based primarily on images and ideas. I wouldn't be surprised if the ''Star Wars'' series mutated in this direction; George Lucas' actors, who complain that they spend all of their time standing in front of blue screens that will later be filled with locations and effects, would be replaced by computerized avatars scarcely less realistic.

In reviewing a movie like this, I am torn between its craft elements and its story. The story is nuts-and-bolts space opera, without the intelligence and daring of, say, Steven Spielberg's ''A.I.'' But the look of the film is revolutionary. ''Final Fantasy'' is a technical milestone, like the first talkies or 3-D movies. You want to see it whether you care about aliens or space cannons. It exists in a category of its own, the first citizen of the new world of cyberfilm.

Bad Seafood
Dec 10, 2010


If you must blink, do it now.

Sharkopath posted:

ebert never reviewed that
Whoop, remembered the wrong subtitle from a different post.

Jostiband
May 7, 2007

I want to live in the world of cyberfilm

Bad Seafood
Dec 10, 2010


If you must blink, do it now.
Alright, it's technically Thursday now.

In a few hours I'll put up the probation lottery.

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

Bad Seafood posted:

Whoop, remembered the wrong subtitle from a different post.

HAH!

Self-owned!!!!

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

Bad Seafood posted:

Alright, it's technically Thursday now.

In a few hours I'll put up the probation lottery.

It's been Thursday for 13 hours mod.

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

Bad Seafood posted:

Alright, it's technically Thursday now.

In a few hours I'll put up the probation lottery.

that idea always blows

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

im ghosting

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012


god, him toddling away is so cute!!! :kimchi:

Admoon
Oct 29, 2009

Bad Seafood posted:

Alright, it's technically Thursday now.

In a few hours I'll put up the probation lottery.

i don't really remember how it works but can we request a gif to go into our probation reason

Admoon
Oct 29, 2009

Sharkopath posted:

that idea always blows

buzzkill!!!

Parallax
Jan 14, 2006

Bad Seafood posted:

Alright, it's technically Thursday now.

In a few hours I'll put up the probation lottery.

whatsit

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

quote:

There were a couple of good episodes towards the end, but this is to me easily the worst anime that Kyoto Animation has ever produced and a candidate for worst anime of the year.

i feel like this person can't have watched every KyoAni show

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

I do need to watch Spirits Within again, haven't seen it since the theater.

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
I can't wait to be probated.

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

dogsicle posted:

i feel like this person can't have watched every KyoAni show

Maybe they, like Zep, have poo poo taste.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

I've never been probed before, I hope Seafood will be gentle

Allarion
May 16, 2009

がんばルビ!

a kitten posted:

I do need to watch Spirits Within again, haven't seen it since the theater.

:same:

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

This video is amazing. I can even overlook them getting FF7 characterizations wrong like most of the fanbase.


dogsicle posted:

was Advent Children bad or something? i remember liking it

No. Spirit Within, the literal reason Square became Square Enix.

Cool setting, but the story and characters are bland. Also cost a fortune they didn't make back.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

i feel like the Key adaptations can't have been that good, and then there's Chuu2 S2, BtB being equally mediocre as PW

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

The story of spirits within is cool and so are the characters and so are the visuals, which is what makes good movies.

its a good movie.

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

I can't wait to be probated.

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

a movie being unsuccessful commercially doesn't make it bad

Parallax
Jan 14, 2006

Sharkopath posted:

The story of spirits within is cool and so are the characters and so are the visuals, which is what makes good movies.

its a good movie.

yah but where's cloud

Strange Quark
Oct 15, 2012

I Failed At Anime 2022
Thanks to Vostok and dogiscle on letting me in on the super secret recording session!

Allarion
May 16, 2009

がんばルビ!

dogsicle posted:

i feel like the Key adaptations can't have been that good, and then there's Chuu2 S2, BtB being equally mediocre as PW

and what is Munto, if it's so forgettable it can't have been that good

The Key adaptations were fine. One only needs to compare Toei's Kanon to Kyoto's Kanon to see that difference heavily.

Munto is

Jostiband
May 7, 2007

I actually hope we never get around to the Munto simulwatch because I kind of like that it's some kind of weird mythical show that nobody has ever watched and lived to tell the tale about it :ohdear:

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

my point was Advent Children is a decent squeenix movie so idk why people were acting like Spirits Within was the only one and an omen of what the upcoming one would be like

unless i'm missing something

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

Parallax posted:

yah but where's cloud

ryan was supposed to look more like barrett originally but they changed him through production

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

Parallax posted:

yah but where's cloud

In the sky :yayclod:

Jostiband
May 7, 2007

dogsicle posted:

i feel like the Key adaptations can't have been that good, and then there's Chuu2 S2, BtB being equally mediocre as PW

Can't speak for the rest, but the key stuff was fine for what it tried to do

Strange Quark
Oct 15, 2012

I Failed At Anime 2022

dogsicle posted:

i feel like this person can't have watched every KyoAni show

Congrats on finding the biggest Munto fan in the world.

Parallax
Jan 14, 2006

dogsicle posted:

my point was Advent Children is a decent squeenix movie so idk why people were acting like Spirits Within was the only one and an omen of what the upcoming one would be like

unless i'm missing something

i think there's a difference to making a movie about one of the biggest games of all time and a movie that's connected to a game that's already weird as gently caress

Allarion
May 16, 2009

がんばルビ!

Jostiband posted:

I actually hope we never get around to the Munto simulwatch because I kind of like that it's some kind of weird mythical show that nobody has ever watched and lived to tell the tale about it :ohdear:

I skimmed it. It's funny seeing the terrible character designs, but you can slowly see Kyoto get better at the backgrounds as you progress through.

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

dogsicle posted:

my point was Advent Children is a decent squeenix movie so idk why people were acting like Spirits Within was the only one and an omen of what the upcoming one would be like

unless i'm missing something

people be dumb, never be surprised by that

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

dogsicle posted:

was Advent Children bad or something? i remember liking it

I assume when people are going lol Square CGI movie they're more about The Spirits Within almost bankrupting Square and forcing the merger with Enix

Bad Seafood
Dec 10, 2010


If you must blink, do it now.

Admoon posted:

i don't really remember how it works but can we request a gif to go into our probation reason
Yes so long as it's not too big or NSFW. You enter a raffle by requesting a probation. The number of "Tickets" you get is equal to the length of your probation (a sixer's worth one ticket whereas a full day is worth four, etc.). Winners get a free avatar, losers eat a probation but get a funny/cute anime image/gif of their choice uploaded as the reason.

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Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

dogsicle posted:

my point was Advent Children is a decent squeenix movie so idk why people were acting like Spirits Within was the only one and an omen of what the upcoming one would be like

unless i'm missing something

AC is a sequel to one of the most popular games of all time.

This is just a side project for the new game.

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