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This is certainly a new way of directing the narrative. It's impossible to debate someone who sees objectivity or rationality as oppressive.Jane Austin, noted Feminist posted:I think I am justified — though where so many hours have been spent in convincing myself that I am right, is there not some reason to fear I may be wrong? Sir William Drummond of Logiealmond, cishet shitlord posted:He, who will not reason, is a bigot; he, who cannot, is a fool; and he, who dares not, is a slave.     Since you can't challenge their beliefs without oppressing them, you further their position. It's brilliant in a way. It's also really, really bizarre: 4 Reasons Demanding ‘Objectivity’ in Social Justice Debates Can Be Oppressive 1. Often, Those Who Seem ‘Objective’ Are Actually Just Privileged quote:Being able to remain unaffected during discussions about racism is a result of my white privilege. 2. Everyone Speaks From a Social Position and Has Biases quote:Our identities affect our lived experiences because society attaches certain values to our identities. For example, your gender will affect the way society treats you because we live in a cissexist, sexist society. quote:From this perspective, nobody can ever argue from an objective or neutral perspective on things like social justice – because society treats no identity with neutrality. 3. Striving Towards ‘Objectivity’ Is Used to Justify Tone-Policing quote:But when people are emotional during discussions, they’re often tone-policed. This means that their views are seen as irrelevant because their tone comes off as angry, rude, or upset – even though they have every right to be hurt in those situations. 4. Sometimes Emotions Are Just as Important as Facts quote:Here’s the thing: Oppression doesn’t simply affect people in political and economic ways. It also affects a person’s emotional and psychological health. quote:Rather than dismissing emotions or seeing them as a sign of a lack of objectivity, we need to engage with them. We need to understand that feelings, lived experiences, and psychology are absolutely important in activism and social justice. quote:It’s important that we think about the way society glorifies objectivity and how this can be harmful to marginalized people. Thinking deeply about how we debate and think is crucial in interacting with others on the topic of social justice. http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/03/objectivity-can-be-oppressive/ 3 Reasons It’s Irrational to Demand ‘Rationalism’ in Social Justice Activism quote:The scenario is always the same: I say we should abolish prisons, police, and the American settler state — someone tells me I’m irrational. I say we need decolonization of the land — someone tells me I’m not being realistic. quote:But it makes sense why many of those who are committed to social justice subscribe to the same language of rationalism as their oppressors. Marginalized folks are taught from infancy that they need to behave in a respectable manner to be treated with decency. We face so much violence, to the point where the violence becomes the norm and our resistance is what feels extreme. quote:For those of us who are trying to burn the colonial project to the ground and build a new world, we have to stop placing limits on ourselves in a world that is already at our throats. 1. Being Rational Has No Inherent Value quote:If I’m not rational, then I must not be thinking correctly, which makes me incompetent and unqualified to even have political opinions. 2. Rationalism Is a Tool Made to Hurt Us quote:Since what’s rational is subjective, it is thus indefinable. The only reason why rationalism is believed to have inherent value is because it echoes the oppressor’s way of thinking. quote:
3. We Are Enough Without Rationalism quote:We should be constantly interrogating why being rational has been presumed to hold inherent value, and we should be asking ourselves where we got that idea in the first place. The institutions that taught us what we know should be placed under suspicion. quote:And before school, we are socialized into being obedient through the ways that oppression influences the way we raise children and build interpersonal relationships. quote:The longer we postpone abolition based on “logical” arguments, the longer we’re denied basic autonomy. It’s a fallacy to believe that we’ll be given a more opportune time to abolish prisons and decolonize, because the role of the state is to never provide that opportunity. quote:We are dreaming up ourselves, each other, and the world we want to live in. We can’t let rationalism steal our dreams quote:The only logical time for abolition and decolonization is now. Frosted Flake fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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"I am researching ways to assault high value targets and make it appear as a social norm" -op
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ClamdestineBoyster posted:"I am researching ways to assault high value targets and make it appear as a social norm" -op Lol
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Apr 3, 2016 23:28
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quote:Rather than dismissing emotions or seeing them as a sign of a lack of objectivity, we need to engage with them. We need to understand that feelings, lived experiences, and psychology are absolutely important in activism and social justice.    
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Apr 3, 2016 23:34
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Anyone who denies the necessity of a certain degree of pragmaticism in life stinks of extreme privilege.
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Apr 3, 2016 23:42
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I thought all this goofy poo poo was an exaggeration by sarcastic assholes on the internet, but after hanging around a bunch of college kids for the last couple months, I can assure you that it is real. "Cis-sexist, heteronormative, oppression, emotional health, thin privilege, etc. etc. etc." And yes, they're all fat lesbians with purple hair. It's amazing.
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wow no way
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has anyone made a fremenist joke in a while
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Sounds like a load of idiot bullshit that stupid people think and say, OP.
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The best reaction to this poo poo is to laugh and don't even stop laughing to listen to their next point. Just keep laughing until you're dead.
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I don't think OP knows the difference between "objectivity" and "Objectivism." lol Firefox says Objectivism is not a real word.
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Frosted Flake posted:This is certainly a new way of directing the narrative. It's impossible to debate someone who sees objectivity or rationality as oppressive.
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objectivism is taking a personal vow to make sure no one will ever take you seriously. despite the name it has nothing to do with objectivity.
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GBS is slowly turning into reddit. Oh well.
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DoctorStrangelove posted:I don't think OP knows the difference between "objectivity" and "Objectivism." OP dropped the ball on that one.
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i have come to the rational conclusion that the op put too much effort into that
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gender illusionist posted:i have come to the rational conclusion that the op put too much effort into that he put so much effort in formatting and none into making an interesting thread
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gender illusionist posted:i have come to the rational conclusion that the op put too much effort into that i have come to the rational conclusion that the op is both white as all get out and mentally handicapped
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educated stupid
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gender illusionist posted:i have come to the rational conclusion that the op put too much effort into that Empirical evidence also points to the same conclusion.
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i hope this thread gets gas before it becomes even more boring
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OP I think that the two people you quoted are probably not actually bemoaning rationalism. Though IDK what your actual position is cause... you just posted a lot of poo poo.
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what in the gently caress is going on here
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SHISHKABOB posted:OP I think that the two people you quoted are probably not actually bemoaning rationalism. Though IDK what your actual position is cause... you just posted a lot of poo poo. the actual position is people say dumb things on the internet therefor everything tangentially related to those dumb e-people I disagree with is equally as dumb
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drunk dog posted:what in the gently caress is going on here op quoted a bunch of text he wants people to make fun of, and quoted a lot of it, but didn't actually put any effort to say anything about the stuff himself what the text op is quoted saying is that objectivism and rationalism may not actually be objective or rational if it comes out of a mess up system, which actually is true, but its kinda said in a really verbose and stupid way
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ArbitraryC posted:the actual position is people say dumb things on the internet therefor everything tangentially related to those dumb e-people I disagree with is equally as dumb Exactly. If the ideas themselves can't be argued with, then they can at least be mocked. Tone policing, and now claiming objectivity (oops) and rationality are oppressive shuts down any debate. That's absurd.
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basically the main lesson everyone should learn here is brevity is wit
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Frosted Flake posted:Exactly. If the ideas themselves can't be argued with, then they can at least be mocked. you are so loving boring
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poopies
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Apr 4, 2016 00:17
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this is a comedy site not a hey look at me i am awfully boring site op
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Apr 4, 2016 00:18
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PBS Newshour posted:op quoted a bunch of text he wants people to make fun of, and quoted a lot of it, but didn't actually put any effort to say anything about the stuff himself it looked like a bunch of effort for some stupid nonsense
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*steadfastly refuses to make a dominos.com account despite the obvious convenience and time it would save in the future*
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http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/10/black-american-cultural-appropriation/ this insanity right here.
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OP I stopped reading too early to figure out what your game is so all I have to say is shut the gently caress up and take it to reddit thanks
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PBS Newshour posted:this is a comedy site can't we look at this objectively?
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cool and good posted:OP I stopped reading too early to figure out what your game is so all I have to say is shut the gently caress up and take it to reddit
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SirEvelynTremble posted:can't we look at this objectively? objectively awful, maybe
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xir? excuse me xir, xir seems to have pooped xirs trousers.
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like seriously how do people do this their problem is that skeletons complain about poo poo that doesnt matter so they spend hours doing research and putting together elaborate complaints about people complaining about poo poo that doesnt matter
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