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And then Namco copied it like 20 years later. Lightguns totally fit here anyway.
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Elliotw2 posted:Lightguns totally fit here anyway. Lightguns, you say?  
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Wanamingo posted:Lightguns, you say? I have one....It sucks.
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The Super Scope and the Guncon 3 are interesting, since they're the only home lightguns I can think of that use an IR sensor instead of purely relying on the screen refresh/brightness. The Guncon 3 obviously used this since it was meant for HDTVs, but the Super Scope is odd since it still needs the screen flash.
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Wanamingo posted:Lightguns, you say? This thing's fuckin' sweet and is everything that gun wanted to be (i.e., as close to the real thing as possible). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3UCBycRw60 Hilariously obsolete: Of course the Model M is the god-tier desktop keyboard, and the Thinkpad nipple is best built-in mouse solution (trackpads IME are universally crap), so why not combine the two? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rHOAX4FlB4 Oh right, if you've got a big enough desk for an M, you've probably got plenty of room for a standalone mouse. Though it'd be perfect for the portable desktop PC build I've been considering (desktop guts, LCD monitor,and real keyboard built into a briefcase -- I spend more time at hotels than home, so my computer needs to be portable, but I only use it at my desk either way, so I don't really need a laptop. OTOH, I guess that idea's obsolete -- made sense back when LCDs first got cheap and laptops were still significantly less powerful than desktops, but now a $600 lappy is a desktop replacement for all but the newest high-end gaming.
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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bring back old gbs posted:uhh....the lcd screen is made of ..like wood. Amateur.  All modern electronics suffer from resonant interference, since their operating frequencies induce out-of-phase voltage spikes in nearby conductive materials that can electromagnetically couple to the signalling pathways and raise to levels that will cause delays and jitter or even flipped bits and noise in the signal. Our patent pending inductance shielding uses carefully placed metal resonance dampeners with a shape scientifically proven to reduce eddy currents, and each unit is handtuned by fastening the dampeners at precisely calibrated distances and angles with a magnetically transparent fastening substance. Since corrosion could adversely affect its precise tuning, each dampener is protected with an impervious metal coating, precisely applied and accounted for during installation. The unit is housed in a non-conductive casing that will not interfere with the sensitive electrodynamic properties of the tuned system.
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Mr.Radar posted:My favorite LGR Oddware episode is the Demon Destroyer Gunn (yes, it's spelled that way), quite possibly the least-ergonomic game controller ever created: Yea seriously, what a weird idea. I can see the general idea and with old school FPS like Wolfenstien it could work fine because the controls are very simple, but your thumb would cramp up in an instant with that weird hat. I never understood why Nintendo went with this weird awkward bazooka thing for the SNES gun when the zapper was basically the idea design, its a gun, plain and simple. If the improved tech was larger, just make it bigger, not complete change around how it worked and moved the trigger to an uncomfortable position.
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Delivery McGee posted:the one game that worked with it IIRC, there were more than half a dozen games that supported it. Battle Clash was actually really cool--you could specifically target the arms and legs of your opponents and destroy them, which changed their abilities and strategies. That is, if you could ever get the goddamn Super Scope calibrated correctly 
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Bring back the Magnavox Odyssey's rifle. I'm sure it'd be fine when kids inevitably took it in to show off at school, right?
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Keiya posted:Bring back the Magnavox Odyssey's rifle. I'm sure it'd be fine when kids inevitably took it in to show off at school, right? Or Nintendo's other rifle:  quote:The Multi-Purpose Arcade Combat Simulator (or M.A.C.S.), was a shooting simulator developed for the U.S. Army as a cheap way to train shooting skills. It was a bit of a mystery until a couple of years ago when the rifle and and carts became available through Ebay. Thanks to 98PaceCar for the pictures! http://www.snescentral.com/article.php?id=0901 I want'ed it so bad. I remember seeing one on ebay about 8 years ago and it was over $500 and still had active bidders.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:IIRC, there were more than half a dozen games that supported it. quote:Battle Clash The only support Lemmings 2 had for it was that you could shoot your lemmings.
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Computer viking posted:Amateur. If you didn't straight copy that from somewhere you should really get into the audiophile woo business.
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Wanamingo posted:The only support Lemmings 2 had for it was that you could shoot your lemmings. Really? I would have sworn that you could use the Super Scope like a mouse.
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monolithburger posted:If you didn't straight copy that from somewhere you should really get into the audiophile woo business. He didn't even mention crystal resonance dynamics or lost bits!
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Humphreys posted:I want'ed it so bad. I remember seeing one on ebay about 8 years ago and it was over $500 and still had active bidders. I don't think you really get how much money serious Nintendo collectors are willing to spend. I've seen NiB Virtual Boys go for 500.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:What kind of work do you do? Sounds cool. Buttcoin purse posted:Like this happened every time you turned on your PC? When a black cat walked past?
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Humphreys posted:Or Nintendo's other rifle: gently caress, man. For that you could BUILD a pretty decent AR-15. It won't work with video games, but it WILL still shoot your television.
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Exit Strategy posted:gently caress, man. For that you could BUILD a pretty decent AR-15. It won't work with video games, but it WILL still shoot your television. And really, isn't TV destruction what light gun games are all about? Or at least, it's what Wii Sports was about.
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Keiya posted:He didn't even mention crystal resonance dynamics or lost bits! Nothing about wood or "oxygen-free" anything either, though at least I forced in something about jitter. And yeah, I have idly considered a career selling audiophile junk - hasn't everyone?
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twistedmentat posted:Yea seriously, what a weird idea. I can see the general idea and with old school FPS like Wolfenstien it could work fine because the controls are very simple, but your thumb would cramp up in an instant with that weird hat. sidenote: when the Wii controller wasn't yet announced there were all kinds of rumours and mockups and I think one jokey one was just a zapper with an analog stick at the back. Glad to see someone took that as inspiration.
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Computer viking posted:Nothing about wood or "oxygen-free" anything either, though at least I forced in something about jitter. And yeah, I have idly considered a career selling audiophile junk - hasn't everyone? I would call it 'Goon-scape Audiophilia'
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My Lovely Horse posted:I half remember something about the zapper being too gun-shaped and they wanted to use a more abstract shape? Like either so the police don't mistake a zapper for a gun or just so kids don't get used to using guns. (Remember, it's the company that doesn't do online voice chat, and who knows, maybe they're on to something.) And yet the Super Scope was the light gun that was brought into a congressional hearing about video game violence.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:IIRC, there were more than half a dozen games that supported it. Battle Clash was actually really cool--you could specifically target the arms and legs of your opponents and destroy them, which changed their abilities and strategies. That is, if you could ever get the goddamn Super Scope calibrated correctly Fair enough. The game that came with it was no longer in the box when I got it, and gently caress trying to track down a copy of one of the few that worked with it (keep in mind I got the thing around 2007). Humphreys posted:Or Nintendo's other rifle:
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Light guns no longer being practical is the worst thing about moving away from CRTs. The wii sensor bar solution works well enough for most things, but it doesn't handle different TV sizes as elegantly.
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The PS Move was/is accurate as gently caress. Archery in Sports Champions was so intuitive.
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Yeah the PS Move is surprisingly good, just with entirely understandable negative PR.
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AlphaKretin posted:Yeah the PS Move is surprisingly good, just with entirely understandable negative PR. I think it also suffered a lot from the Kinect being so overhyped, too. Sony's motion controls were seen as just a Wii ripoff on one hand and inferior to the hands-free Kinect on the other. Despite that, the few times I ever had a chance to play with Move stuff I found myself really liking it more than the Wii or Kinect.
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AlphaKretin posted:Yeah the PS Move is surprisingly good, just with entirely understandable negative PR. I might have to give it a chance, I have had it since it was released but couldn't be hosed getting any games other than the pack in demos.
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Only game I "got" for it was the ports of the resident evil light gun shooters from the wii because those were for ps plus. I don't think it really had any must plays which is a shame.
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wayne curr posted:Whatever happened to colour e-ink? I think a combination of the tech not panning out and the rise of multifunction tablets with acceptable LCD screens.
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RagnarokAngel posted:I don't think it really had any must plays which is a shame. I think that's sort of the same for the Kinect, too. About the only 'must have' on the Kinect is, "Hey, the voice controls work pretty well." I think. That seems to be all I ever hear people with Kinects say, at least.
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Yeah "xbox on, xbox watch tv" is pretty sweet when it powers up everything else in the home theater chain.
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SLOSifl posted:The PS Move was/is accurate as gently caress. Archery in Sports Champions was so intuitive. You can actually topspin and slice your shots/serves if you know how to actually perform those shots.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I think that's sort of the same for the Kinect, too. About the only 'must have' on the Kinect is, "Hey, the voice controls work pretty well." I think. It's laughably bad if you've got any sort of accent - like, say, a Norwegian one - and they never did get around to adding Norwegian voice input. Oh, and to be allowed to use the English voice input you have to set the console region to an English-speaking country, but then it locks out random parts of your games library because your version isn't available in that region, and you need a payment card registered in that region to use the store. Oh yeah, and the camera auto-login never did recognise the boyfriend (who uses the Xbox the most), but it certainly insisted that chairs and pillows were other people.
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Computer viking posted:It's laughably bad if you've got any sort of accent - like, say, a Norwegian one - and they never did get around to adding Norwegian voice input. Oh, and to be allowed to use the English voice input you have to set the console region to an English-speaking country, but then it locks out random parts of your games library because your version isn't available in that region, and you need a payment card registered in that region to use the store. This is sort of where Apples Siri is now. Speaking english with a danish accent rarely works.
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Platystemon posted:I think a combination of the tech not panning out and the rise of multifunction tablets with acceptable LCD screens. Depressing to think that a technology could become obsolete before it finished development, especially when it's mostly the sheep effect. e-ink readers have better battery life and are easier on the eyes for long periods of reading, so they should certainly have a niche.
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Keiya posted:Light guns no longer being practical is the worst thing about moving away from CRTs. The wii sensor bar solution works well enough for most things, but it doesn't handle different TV sizes as elegantly. Yeah, CRT light guns are about as good as you can get for accuracy. Although, Wii Remote lightgun games that support calibration (i.e. stand at shooting distance, then shoot at one corner, then shoot at the opposite corner) can compensate for different screen sizes well enough.
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