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e-mail as a whole has been poisoned by the outlook reverse-quoting habit
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Yeah, what's up with that poo poo?prefect posted:e-mail as a whole has been poisoned by the outlook reverse-quoting habit
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Apr 11, 2016 18:20
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Shaggar posted:its retarded for turn based chat too, but we use it because its the least common denominator between organizations. mailing lists exist to fulfill intra-organizational chat which belongs on the web either in a forums or web chat or both. will you just look at this terrible no-good wrong opinion email via a native client >>>>> web forums any day of the week if Awful.app and Awful.apk didn't exist these forums would have been dead years ago
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Apr 11, 2016 18:35
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lol no. email chat w/ a native client is still mutli-threaded conversations which means its trash. its no where near as good as forums
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Apr 11, 2016 18:39
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You know it hosed when ur tryna fix ur Linux and instead of getting links to forums u get the mail list. I usually just close it and change my search terms at that point.
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Apr 11, 2016 18:51
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Shaggar posted:lol no. email chat w/ a native client is still mutli-threaded conversations which means its trash. its no where near as good as forums Agreed. Wish my work would use a drat forum instead of 99999999999 emails
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Apr 11, 2016 18:52
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Smythe posted:You know it hosed when ur tryna fix ur Linux and instead of getting links to forums u get the mail list. I usually just close it and change my search terms at that point. agreed. after the first few times I had resorted to mailing lists to fix my poo poo, i just narrowed down the problems on a smaller level and had an easier time. usually i get mailing lists if my search is to broad.
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Apr 11, 2016 18:55
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Smythe posted:Agreed. Wish my work would use a drat forum instead of 99999999999 emails and they need to run it on SAVB since it's what I'm most familiar with.
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Apr 11, 2016 18:57
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make sure you have out of office reminders turned on when u go on vacation so the mailing list knows whats up
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Apr 11, 2016 19:07
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Truga posted:Yeah, what's up with that poo poo?  
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Apr 11, 2016 19:23
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b0red posted:i like debian because their mailing lists are so easy to read 
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Apr 11, 2016 19:36
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lmao i thought this was an april fools joke you mean it isn't?
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Apr 11, 2016 21:53
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broken clock opsec posted:lmao i thought this was an april fools joke what does your heart etc.
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Apr 11, 2016 21:57
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broken clock opsec posted:lmao i thought this was an april fools joke it's debian these are the same people who decided to fork firefox so they could keep using an outdated version
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Apr 12, 2016 01:46
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i brought up email being terrible here and it did not go well
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Apr 12, 2016 03:35
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It's forums that are utter crap, look at how stupid SA is these days. Every single megathread should properly be a newsgroup. Mailing lists with public archives are basically newsgroups with way shittier tooling and delivery largely thanks to the technical problems presented by spam plus the fact that nobody has tried to do anything to advance/replace Usenet excepting pirates in the last fifteen years. We cope, but...
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Apr 12, 2016 03:48
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James Baud posted:It's forums that are utter crap, look at how stupid SA is these days. Every single megathread should properly be a newsgroup. 
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Apr 12, 2016 03:50
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Being a forum hater I turned avs and sigs off ten years ago and never looked back.
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Apr 12, 2016 04:59
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broken clock opsec posted:lmao i thought this was an april fools joke 
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Apr 12, 2016 06:25
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this is a good article about it https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41085.html
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Apr 12, 2016 06:28
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James Baud posted:It's forums that are utter crap, look at how stupid SA is these days. Every single megathread should properly be a newsgroup. threading destroys conversations, it doesn't matter if its SMTP or NNTP, its a garbage nonstarter
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Apr 12, 2016 06:53
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actually, a news server that does sane things like rewriting In-Reply-To to point to the original post and forbids Subject alteration and deletes nested quoting and the like would be worth exploring
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Apr 12, 2016 06:55
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news servers are dead, you might as well code a new system from scratch instead of trying to tweak a news server and deal with 40 years of legacy
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Apr 12, 2016 07:45
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sorry, looks like nntp is actually a relatively fresh technology, being only 30 years old.
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Apr 12, 2016 07:46
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if you think mail is a bad medium for discussion, you need to use a better mail client rather than garbage like outlook or web page interfaces, and learn to use filters also, just because a client can implement threading doesn't mean it has to present threads hierarchically Mail on OS X and iOS follows In-Reply-To headers as well as other heuristics to group messages by thread, but the messages in a thread are presented at a single level of hierarchy sorted by date, not as an arbitrary hierarchy many newsreaders I've seen have done the same thing, though trn, gnus, and Unison all just assumed you wanted full hierarchy; I suspect at least for the first two it's easy to disable and customize due to their heritage
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Apr 12, 2016 07:57
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pseudorandom name posted:threading destroys conversations, it doesn't matter if its SMTP or NNTP, its a garbage nonstarter has someone written a hn or reddit unthreader browser plugin yet death to threaded conversations
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Apr 12, 2016 07:58
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eschaton posted:if you think mail is a bad medium for discussion, you need to use a better mail client rather than garbage like outlook or web page interfaces, and learn to use filters like everything SMTP, in-reply-to can't be trusted. also quoting is also all over the loving place, subjects randomly change (re: RE: FW), message ids get hosed with and headers are mangled by mail scanners. it's bad.
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Apr 12, 2016 08:01
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the goal isn't using the right configuration with the right client, it's actively preventing every client from doing the wrong thing
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Apr 12, 2016 08:19
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Wheany posted:news servers are dead, you might as well code a new system from scratch instead of trying to tweak a news server and deal with 40 years of legacy NNTP over SSL with a MIME payload is a perfectly serviceable protocol suite for mostly-text non-real-time discussion. you could design a new protocol or two, but why? I've actually considered forking & updating Papercut to have better auth and back-end abstraction, and even just doing a straight rewrite in Swift. it really doesn't take much code to implement the basics of NNTP either as a server or as a client. where NNTP gets complicated is in writing and running a server suite that can handle being part of Usenet, particularly the high traffic binaries groups. if you just want to serve a bunch of discussion groups without running a Usenet node, that's easy, it takes orders of magnitude less horsepower than our phones or even watches have.
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Apr 12, 2016 08:27
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pseudorandom name posted:the goal isn't using the right configuration with the right client, it's actively preventing every client from doing the wrong thing yes, how dare someone read in a threaded view when you don't want to read that way
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Apr 12, 2016 08:28
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eschaton posted:if you think mail is a bad medium for discussion, you need to use a better mail client rather than garbage like outlook or web page interfaces, and learn to use filters email is 30 years of bad cruft and anyone who defends it is bad
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Apr 12, 2016 09:16
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"it's a great idea for clients to determine standards for what thread a conversation belongs to" - a clown at the smtp circus
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Apr 12, 2016 09:18
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eschaton posted:yes, how dare someone read in a threaded view when you don't want to read that way lol at trusting the client
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Apr 12, 2016 13:45
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my stepdads beer posted:lol at trusting the client this forever
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Apr 12, 2016 13:50
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eschaton posted:yes, how dare someone read in a threaded view when you don't want to read that way yes, this exactly, thank you for understanding
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Apr 12, 2016 14:31
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I agree with you.pseudorandom name posted:yes, this exactly, thank you for understanding
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Apr 12, 2016 14:36
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eschaton posted:if you think mail is a bad medium for discussion, you need to use a better mail client rather than garbage like outlook or web page interfaces, and learn to use filters lol. outlook invented all that poo poo that mail.app does. its a garbage communication format and you cant fix it with a client
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Apr 12, 2016 14:38
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 x server functional in windows 10 with ubuntu
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Apr 12, 2016 16:46
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broken clock opsec posted:
doubtful
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fritz posted:doubtful sadly you're correct it's just you can connect to a 3rd party x-server already running on windows with the DISPLAY env variable
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