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ManofManyAliases posted:ATV was luck luster, but was excited to hear the 2.4 talk I know right! I love how CIG continues to deliver! really silences the haters! E: 
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G0RF posted:Well you do have to admit you vanished for a couple of months, then came back gunning non-stop for Derek. You didn't seem to be enjoying any I may not have posted, but I was reading. But there's the thing, I didn't come raging for Derek. If I did that's funny cause he didn't seem to think so. As he pointed out himself. I said if he, or anyone thought it was about him or anyone else fine, but I never singled anyone out specifically. I was making a point over all the speculation, period. As that's what its been. People got pissy, I among them. That's fine. What I took offense to was the attacks left and right. But this is SA and the internet, so par for the course. People just need to take a step back. That's all. There's plenty to discuss without turning on one another. Yet, look what happened? Either way, not trying to drag this poo poo out. Just clarifying.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:19
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s - just raging. Amirite?
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AP posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2ZWvuq85C4&t=715s
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Apr 14, 2016 22:20
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G0RF posted:I am excited because with the addition of the Port Olisar Galleria, we are surely going to get a Space Food Court. Big Bennies for everyone, or donuts
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Apr 14, 2016 22:20
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Kakarot posted:I know right! I love how CIG continues to deliver! Well they do drop a tenth of an alpha version update almost every month
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Apr 14, 2016 22:20
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Apr 14, 2016 22:21
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Scruffpuff posted:Yeah, my post was completely tongue-in-cheek, though - and you answered it totally honestly, so I was taken aback a bit. It's all good. Oh I know. As was mine. Just dry humor. Clearly went over some heads. But that's on me. Can't blame the audience of the jokes bad.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:21
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G0RF posted:I am excited because with the addition of the Port Olisar Galleria, we are surely going to get a Space Food Court. I am looking forward to the space footlong making mini game.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:21
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Considering how solid and enjoyable 2.3 was, with impenetrable anti-griefing measures combined with a state-of-the-art engine that the team at CIG clearly has a firm hand on, I'm more convinced than ever that 2.4 will be the usual leap forward. I'm certain that it won't mostly consist of yet another way to generate revenue, and instead begin introducing an actual game somewhere. It's a fairly common theme, known by everyone who knows anything about game development, that actual game elements often work their way into these patches without plans, a roadmap, or any thought put into them - it's called "emergence" - look it up.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:22
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I know that different people work on different parts of the game & they're not interchangeable, but aren't the shifty fuckers working on the stores & clothes literally the same shifty fuckers that should be putting an end to "Sausage Citizen" & putting female avatars into the game?
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Apr 14, 2016 22:22
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You know what's great about Star CItizen? I always wanted to know what it would be like to poo poo my pants in space. Thanks to B'Tak and Chris Roberts I will no longer have to wonder. Is it like making GBS threads my pants in real life? Am I filled with a sense of embarrassment and self loathing? Or does it not matter anymore, because it's space? I can't wait to find out. BTW, I think I figured out what the hole in the crotch of the space suit is for, it's so when you need to poo poo in space you don't have to stink up your suit. That's right there my friends is fidelity in the best gosh darn space sim ever.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:22
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Calling someone a oval office is ok but it's too easy, I compared sandis face to an arthritic spine once, mix it up man.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:22
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B_of_InfoRedux posted:I may not have posted, but I was reading. But there's the thing, I didn't come raging for Derek. If I did that's funny cause he didn't seem to think so. As he pointed out himself. I said if he, or anyone thought it was about him or anyone else fine, but I never singled anyone out specifically. The thread is hungry and you are basting and preparing yourself. Desist. I beg you.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:22
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Ragequit posted:Wow they have Steam support beat in ineptitude. That is a crowning achievement. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they just throw the "ban review" requests in the bin, but maybe I'll get a response now after all.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:23
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Chalks posted:I was so lost without this thread. Didn't someone say recently that the queue was emptied at some point? Either he's full of poo poo (how could that possibly be?!) or they've accumulated a ridiculous amount of CS tickets in a short period of time (and if Hobo Santa weren't often proven to be full of BS this wouldn't be hard to believe either).
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Apr 14, 2016 22:23
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When do you think they are going to edit their TOS again?
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Apr 14, 2016 22:23
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B_of_InfoRedux posted:Endlessly bitching? Funny cause Derek didn't think it was all about him. Which it wasn't. Aren't you the guy who came to this thread and repeatedly tried to promote your podcast before being laughed off?
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Apr 14, 2016 22:23
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FrankieGoes posted:Nice meltdown. You getting so worked up is adorable. Wonder if you'll respond to anyone with "redux" in the name.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:24
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It still boggles my mind to think that a game thats still like 3 years away from release has a loving weeks long queue to get tickets resolved. Why are there so many tickets there in the first place?
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B_of_InfoRedux posted:I may not have posted, but I was reading. But there's the thing, I didn't come raging for Derek. If I did that's funny cause he didn't seem to think so. As he pointed out himself. I said if he, or anyone thought it was about him or anyone else fine, but I never singled anyone out specifically. sometimes i feel like people who havent been goons for years, certain subtexts get missing; not to single you out, i've been trying to figure out a way to condense almost 20 years of how this community came to be the way it is: at some point this was a forum that was mostly regarding a gaming-centric comedy website. that website was, iirc, best known for IRC pranks. "pak chooie unf", i believe, was a much younger lowtax making fun of a literal child. the forum really blew up off photoshops, and a lot of the comedy developed around "here is one topic or joke, turn it into a better one". this, among other things, like our elitist nature, drove a lot of posting to be cyclical, iirc as early as 2000: 1) someone makes fun of someone 2) 8,000 people who aren't actually funny post new jokes that really amount to rehashed old ones, hoping for laughs. they don't really have the balls to call anyone out, they just wait until it is marked okay by the community 3) one or two of them of them are actually funny and thus the tradition of bandwagons of people trying to rehash jokes and make fun of targets already deemed acceptable was born, because everyone wants to be the guy from step 3. a lot of guilds in video games were based around doing this all day every day in places that are not SA
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Scruffpuff posted:Considering how solid and enjoyable 2.3 was, with impenetrable anti-griefing measures combined with a state-of-the-art engine that the team at CIG clearly has a firm hand on, I'm more convinced than ever that 2.4 will be the usual leap forward. I'm certain that it won't mostly consist of yet another way to generate revenue, and instead begin introducing an actual game somewhere. It's a fairly common theme, known by everyone who knows anything about game development, that actual game elements often work their way into these patches without plans, a roadmap, or any thought put into them - it's called "emergence" - look it up. same - since certainly none of the previous updates were a way to generate revenue or an excuse to weasel out of their TOS, I'm sure this will be world-changing.
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Jason Sextro posted:Didn't someone say recently that the queue was emptied at some point? Either he's full of poo poo (how could that possibly be?!) or they've accumulated a ridiculous amount of CS tickets in a short period of time (and if Hobo Santa weren't often proven to be full of BS this wouldn't be hard to believe either). I thought they dumped their queue backlog around the new year. Or it coincided with a new PU release or something because they figured that the new version would have invalidated all the older concerns. A queue dump definitely happened though. And now they're already a month and a half behind.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:25
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Io_ posted:I am looking forward to the space footlong making mini game. Hmmm, I wonder if sandwich artist falls under hospitality services.
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2DCAT posted:Aren't you the guy who came to this thread and repeatedly tried to promote your podcast before being laughed off? Yes that's him in the headphones.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:25
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If goons are gonna eat each other ITT from now on, please remember:Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Calling someone a oval office is ok but it's too easy, I compared sandis face to an arthritic spine once, mix it up man. Also lol if ManofManyAnuses unironically is Toast. Like, seriously. I would laugh so hard at that being true, I might need new sides.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:26
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2DCAT posted:Aren't you the guy who came to this thread and repeatedly tried to promote your podcast before being laughed off? When did that happen? I mentioned it, what once? And since I've been here since the original thread...no. Nice try though.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:26
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VideoGames posted:Dear Thread, You could have reopened the thread before I turned my arms into ribbons just to mask the pain of withdrawal. Look what you made me doooooooo. 
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Apr 14, 2016 22:26
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Scruffpuff posted:Wait, FrankieGoes is Sandi? I'm having trouble keeping track. Quick poll: who in this thread does not work for CIG? I have it on good authority that FrankieGoes is indeed Sandi. It's all coming out. 2 WEEKS
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2DCAT posted:Aren't you the guy who came to this thread and repeatedly tried to promote your podcast before being laughed off? Nope. That was BluestreakBHTR. Redux couple, here, wrote a blog about Star Citizen and once upon a time got a lot of CIG white knights mighty pissy at them.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:It still boggles my mind to think that a game thats still like 3 years away from release has a loving weeks long queue to get tickets resolved. Why are there so many tickets there in the first place? If you never answer tickets, they tend to build up.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:28
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Jon Do posted:sometimes i feel like people who havent been goons for years, certain subtexts get missing; not to single you out, i've been trying to figure out a way to condense almost 20 years of how this community came to be the way it is: Thank you for clarifying it. Does make sense.
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oh yeah my point about the forums was that at some point your number comes up and people bandwagon to make fun of you and the key is to not get angry or lash out, and definitely not to be passive aggressive.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:28
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B_of_InfoRedux posted:When did that happen? I mentioned it, what once? And since I've been here since the original thread...no. Nice try though. Original thread was way before oct 2015
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Apr 14, 2016 22:29
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CrazyLoon posted:Actually, nah - that was BluestreakBHTR. That's the guy who got an email from Sandi with a screenshot of one of his posts here saying "Is this you?" right? For some reason I mix these guys up all the time too. I can only imagine it's because both their names begin with "B" and I am illiterate.
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Io_ posted:If you never answer tickets, they tend to build up. They need to outsource CS to the backers like they did QA.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:30
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FrankieGoes posted:Nice meltdown. K How about suck my loving oval office, bitch boy? Let's see what kind of crying we get out of you now. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jon Do posted:oh yeah my point about the forums was that at some point your number comes up and people bandwagon to make fun of you Quite frankly, this thread sees a lot of people come in from outside of SA and I get the feeling a lot of them are quite taken aback that things can get well...kinda goony in here too. As in, quite upfront and honest. Speaking of which...Ben's fat.
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TTerrible posted:Original thread was way before oct 2015 Fair enough. The Beer thread.
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2DCAT posted:Aren't you the guy who came to this thread and repeatedly tried to promote your podcast before being laughed off? I think that was a different dude with his interweb thingy in his user name.
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stinch posted:
Effort Post incoming... Just recently Chris Roberts said they are "re-factoring" the server and client net-code. At this point CIG does not have a network solution and will most likely not have one in the near future. What they have is the standard CryEngine network stack and server slightly modified (read hacked) to support a few more players. We also heard they are sending Megabytes of data to the clients which in turn means they have not even started to optimize the serialization of their objects which is frightening to say the least. Since they have not even started with persistence they do not have any infrastructure or server code for that either. The only thing they have is an account database for the web users which might be re-usable for the login server but most certainly not for the MMO account server. People think making a MMO is hard because of all the content and the size. That is unfortunately not true. You can throw a ton of artists and level designers at a project without running into much of a problem, given your workflow and management is competent. They will create your art and content effortlessly when directed by professionals. Content creation scales really well in that regard. Programming does not scale well at all even with stellar management. Especially not specialized tasks like networking or engine optimization. You can't throw 20 programmers at it, it will only slow things down. These are 1-3 man team efforts by highly qualified developers. Every code monkey can write you a quick sort but can they write you a quick sort in ASM that uses only 64 kilobytes and sorts through gigabytes of data in seconds? You get the idea. The hardest part for CIG will be to get a stable and fast network architecture up and running. Typical MMO network architecture is extremely complex. 1. Web facing Firewall and Proxy(s) 2. Load balancing servers that spread the traffic to available login servers. 3. Login and account servers with Account Database and Backup Account Database servers. 4. Dispatch servers that hand off clients to the area server manager depending on where the players are. 5. Area Server Manager that dispatches the clients to instances. 6. World, NPC and Item Database plus Backups. That is just a broad overview and all of these have to be developed and optimized to work flawlessly together under high load. They need to be written from scratch since every game is different. You can of cause buy a solution but it will limit you in the long run. This is as much of a Hardware as it is a Software challenge. Physically setting up those Servers is critical to the overall success. Using cloud solutions is doomed to be a failure unless you are making a simple browser game or similar simple software. You want hundreds of clients at the same time, you better get your hands dirty and set-up those servers in your own network centre. I have worked as a C++ Tech optimizing source code for network servers, game engines and financial software and i can tell you that i don't see CIG as a company that will be able to deliver anything remotely stable and playable in terms of network performance. Given time, they might tackle it, we are talking 3-4 years here with multiple failed attempts and serious scaling back of the initial promises. I think they will be out of money and belly up long before we even get to the whole network infrastructure problems. Risc1911 fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Apr 14, 2016 |
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