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Sentient Data posted:Speaking of light guns and obsolete, here's some head tracking tech that was basically rendered moot by the new wave of VR headsets That's similar to FreeTrack (free clone of the commercial TrackIR product) which let you do headtracking in sim games like Arma for just the cost of a Wii Remote or webcam with altered filters, and a hat or headband with a couple of IR LEDs and a battery attached. It's obsolete in that you'll get better results with a VR headset by every metric, except for cost though. You can't beat the price of FreeTrack.
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Arrath posted:Yeah "xbox on, xbox watch tv" is pretty sweet when it powers up everything else in the home theater chain. Also great for trolls: https://youtu.be/dgieRaU7E1c
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Computer viking posted:It's laughably bad if you've got any sort of accent - like, say, a Norwegian one - and they never did get around to adding Norwegian voice input. Oh, and to be allowed to use the English voice input you have to set the console region to an English-speaking country, but then it locks out random parts of your games library because your version isn't available in that region, and you need a payment card registered in that region to use the store. Ugghhh, we have to test Kinect functionality in our games at work, and it is the worst. Honk if you hate XR 115! It once refused to acknowledge my face in favour of the back of a colleague's head.
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Is your colleague Professor Quirrell?
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Also great for trolls: Reminds me of that one Achievement Hunter video where one of the guys said "Xbox turn off," and the other five screamed "NO! NO! NONONO!" for a solid ten seconds until one said "oh, wait, we're all holding controllers, we can just push the button to cancel."
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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Was I the only sucker that bought a Sega Menacer? The thing looks pretty bad rear end, and was actually pretty comfortable with the stock, except the scope was completely superfluous - it didn't align to where you were shooting whatsoever. The Super Scope's scope was actually usable, which was awesome. It came with a bunch of minigames, which were widely slated. Other than that, you could use it for some of those lame Full Motion Video (TM) Sega CD shooter games (there's a whole other technological flop for you). To be honest, I probably spent more time just using it as a toy, cos it looked so bad rear end, especially when you removed the stock and scope. EvilGenius has a new favorite as of 22:02 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Apr 15, 2016 21:56
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Menacer is worth it because the game has a Toejam & Earl game on it.
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EvilGenius posted:Was I the only sucker that bought a Sega Menacer? Nope, I had one too, and a Sega CD and a 32x and the Lethal Enforcers Light guns (with the player two gun connected by a phone line).
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Apr 15, 2016 22:00
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The Menacer also worked with the Genesis port of that Terminator shooter. Not very well, I'm assuming, because I had both as a kid and don't remember using them together often.
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Toast Museum posted:The Menacer also worked with the Genesis port of that Terminator shooter. Not very well, I'm assuming, because I had both as a kid and don't remember using them together often. It worked fine. Stupidly designed lightguns work without much issue with shooters where a crosshair is drawn on-screen. The Superscope and Menacer were definitely designed from a "Looks cool but completely idiotic in actual use" perspective. Part of me wants to blame that for their failure, but the Justifiers were more or less fine (albeit with just a pause button and trigger) and they only work with Lethal Enforcers and Snatcher (and maybe another game or two I'm neglecting). I find it ironic that the best system for lightgun games doesn't even use lightgun tech (the wii).
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Apr 16, 2016 15:12
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PS3 has ports/enhanced ports of most the Wii lightgun style games and you can use the move instead, which I think feels more natural or accurate or something for whatever reason.
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Someone can totally show me up on this since I do not claim to be an expert but I think the reason the Move was more accurate was because the camera was actually tracking the controller, whereas the Wiimote was more of a motion sensor, it could "sense" the movements relative to itself but couldn't really track 1:1 until the Wiimote+
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That's about right except the Wii did also detect where on the screen you're pointing (relative to the sensor bar at least), which would theoretically be better for light-gun stuff if it wasn't kinda sorta really shaky.
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If you still have a CRT in your house, the Dreamcast has a pretty good light gun that's actually a light gun. Plus there are ISOs floating around that emulate all the NES zapper games.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Someone can totally show me up on this since I do not claim to be an expert but I think the reason the Move was more accurate was because the camera was actually tracking the controller, whereas the Wiimote was more of a motion sensor, it could "sense" the movements relative to itself but couldn't really track 1:1 until the Wiimote+ The Wii remote 'pointer' functionality (basically any time you moved a cursor around) actually used a camera too. The end of the Wii remote has a camera inside of it, the sensor bar is actually just a couple of infrared LEDs on a stick that the camera uses to track where the remote is pointed. Most light gun style games would only need the pointer, not any of the accelerometer stuff, but I imagine the PS Move's tracking was probably better and ports of those game probably played a little better because of it.
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If the NX does have the all touchscreen controller, I can certainly see it showing up in here. Touchscreen works on a phone or handheld because you're looking at it all the time, but on a console controller, it doesn't because you have to keep looking at to know where the controls are. And don't developers hate touchscreens anyways? Sometimes i think Nintendo can be a bit tech myopic and get so enamored with a gadget that they never really think the whole thing through.
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twistedmentat posted:If the NX does have the all touchscreen controller, I can certainly see it showing up in here. Touchscreen works on a phone or handheld because you're looking at it all the time, but on a console controller, it doesn't because you have to keep looking at to know where the controls are. Are you talking about that football-shaped one, that people tried to guess the developer from the reflection of some trees? That was a hoax. If it is about the patent, then I agree. Using a touchscreen keyboard is already aggravating enough, even though you look at it all the time.
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Lurking Haro posted:Are you talking about that football-shaped one, that people tried to guess the developer from the reflection of some trees? That was a hoax. Yea talking about the patent one. The Wiiu touch screen was good as it supplemented the regular controls and did stuff that you'd normally pause the game to look at.
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twistedmentat posted:Yea talking about the patent one. The Wiiu touch screen was good as it supplemented the regular controls and did stuff that you'd normally pause the game to look at. I guess the GBA-GC link cable was sort of a test run for that function. I don't know how many games let you look at poo poo in real time on the GBA while playing a GC game but I know at least one did.
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Jerry Cotton posted:I guess the GBA-GC link cable was sort of a test run for that function. I don't know how many games let you look at poo poo in real time on the GBA while playing a GC game but I know at least one did. This and also the Dreamcast's use of the VMU in certain games were pretty cool. Somehow a lot of the Wii U screen features I've since seen were not as compelling. There's no Pac-Man Vs. or Zelda 4 Swords for the Wii U, sadly.
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These were announced a few years ago, but I'm not sure how popular they've gotten since release. Tactus Phorm Tablet screen cases/covers that 'bubble up' to give you a tactile feel for a keyboard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGA5ypnhMTg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33Q3hszEonc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNnGpIEa3AU edit: It's sort of novel, though, but without having one to try out and test to see how it feels I'm not sure how good it would be for actual typing. JediTalentAgent has a new favorite as of 19:33 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Apr 17, 2016 18:35
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JediTalentAgent posted:These were announced a few years ago, but I'm not sure how popular they've gotten since release. Chiclet keyboard? Gotta whip out my microcomputer.
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Honestly, I'd just use a case like the Surface keyboard one if I wanted better typing. Probably cheaper and more usable than that thing.
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I can't help but seeing something like that breaking within a couple of months with how the mechanism works. Pure chiclet buttons on cheap tv remotes and old computers weren't the longest lasting things, and they didn't have to rise up and sink down.
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Apr 18, 2016 00:57
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I love how there are people who get furious at Chiclet keyboards. When you press them on why its's always "I just like the feeling of clicky keyboards".
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twistedmentat posted:I love how there are people who get furious at Chiclet keyboards. When you press them on why its's always "I just like the feeling of clicky keyboards". It's the force you need to press them with if they are even slight worn. And if it finally registers, it sometimes registers multiple times. This being just touchscreen with a texture won't stop you from still accidentally touching the neighboring buttons.
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twistedmentat posted:I love how there are people who get furious at Chiclet keyboards. When you press them on why its's always "I just like the feeling of clicky keyboards". Are you talking about chiclet keyboards like on recent Macbooks? Because the original chiclet keyboards of the 80s were different and far, far worse. Unless you think typing on a TV remote sounds like a really pleasant experience
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Yeah modern macbook-style chiclets are a very far cry from the original ones or the ones you still find on the cheap little calculators with the rubbery button covers. The modern/good ones still feel less good (to me) than a more solid keyboard but you can still actually use them with a light touch.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Are you talking about chiclet keyboards like on recent Macbooks? Because the original chiclet keyboards of the 80s were different and far, far worse. The one they were specifically talking about was the one that comes with current macs, and the Deathstalker. BTW, one of the people in the conversation is the person I know who though that CRT monitors were better for gaming, still.
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At least it's not like our very old TV we had several years ago that used some sort of tuning fork remote. It was so sensitive that if you dropped your keys or shook them you could send the volume up and down without even trying.
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JediTalentAgent posted:At least it's not like our very old TV we had several years ago that used some sort of tuning fork remote. A friend of mine apparently had a TV with one of those that would change channels every time someone sneezed.
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JediTalentAgent posted:At least it's not like our very old TV we had several years ago that used some sort of tuning fork remote. Those fascinated me when I was a kid. Both my grandparents still had them as like 3rd tvs. They bought them in the mid 70s and drat it to hell they'll use them until they stop working. They still had rabbit ears and no cable hookups so it was fun to play with them to see what channels we could get. They also both had those giant cabinet tvs. Man, we are so better off with the current tvs. They're lighter, but bigger, better definition and colour, you can hook them up directly to the internet and have like 4-8 things plugged into them at once with no messing around with 7 remotes. Unless you're my dad who has his giant 60" plasma hooked up to his stereo. Though I think that's to keep him awake while watching tv.
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twistedmentat posted:The one they were specifically talking about was the one that comes with current macs, and the Deathstalker. BTW, one of the people in the conversation is the person I know who though that CRT monitors were better for gaming, still. I do prefer how clicky switches feel, but I don't really mind decent membrane keyboards either. What is however super-annoying is how some of them degrade over time to start randomly dropping certain letters unless you type them very deliberately. I bet tearing them apart and cleaning the circuit boards would fix it, but that's not always easy.
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twistedmentat posted:I love how there are people who get furious at Chiclet keyboards. When you press them on why its's always "I just like the feeling of clicky keyboards". And now I probably just described the type you hate.
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twistedmentat posted:They also both had those giant cabinet tvs. Man, we are so better off with the current tvs. They're lighter, but bigger, better definition and colour, you can hook them up directly to the internet and have like 4-8 things plugged into them at once with no messing around with 7 remotes. Also TVs cost about the same now as they did 40 years ago. Not adjusted for inflation. Seriously, while clearing out the attic at my parents' place we found a catalog from a major Norwegian electronics chain from 1975, the year they introduced colour broadcasts in this country [1]; "a small cheap TV" then cost about the same number of Norwegian kroner as "a small cheap TV" does now, and same for "a large expensive TV". With 400% inflation since then that means the actual cost has dropped to something like 20%. Similar ratio applies to most other forms of consumer electronics. I guess we can mainly thank Chinese slave factories for this. [1] Yeah, that's right, they didn't start broadcasting in colour until the mid-70s. There was in fact significant political opposition to this. "We grudgingly accept that sin has arrived on Earth but we don't want it in colour." I was born in 1972 and can remember when I was a kid the TV listings in the newspapers would still note explicitly which programs were being broadcast in colour. We also had only one TV channel until the early 1990s (except for those who lived close enough to the border to catch Swedish signals, of course).
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Computer viking posted:I do prefer how clicky switches feel, but I don't really mind decent membrane keyboards either. What is however super-annoying is how some of them degrade over time to start randomly dropping certain letters unless you type them very deliberately. I bet tearing them apart and cleaning the circuit boards would fix it, but that's not always easy. I have found a very nice and cheap keyboard that I use as my main keyboard that costs $10 here in Australia. I have 2 at home, and bought it for my work computer aswell. everything just feels right and is standard 104 keys. No fancy LEDs or macro keys to be found. After about a week of use at work, my boss ended up buying the whole office the same board after he gave it a go. Funnily enough I use a RAT 7 mouse with it - far from normal. EDIT: For those in Australia - you can buy it from Jaycar, part number is XC5146. Their wireless version is also good but the mouse sucks.
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Humphreys posted:I have found a very nice and cheap keyboard that I use as my main keyboard that costs $10 here in Australia. I have 2 at home, and bought it for my work computer aswell. everything just feels right and is standard 104 keys. No fancy LEDs or macro keys to be found. After about a week of use at work, my boss ended up buying the whole office the same board after he gave it a go. Is the moral of this story that it's not a membrane keyboard but it's still cheap so why would you buy a membrane keyboard? I mean it looks okay in the picture but I'm not a keyboard enthusiast really, I mean I have some Model Ms but I'm just using this Dell keyboard because  (and it really wouldn't be much effort either, but still I haven't bothered).quote:Funnily enough I use a RAT 7 mouse with it - far from normal. I googled that and there just seemed to be all these pictures of some kind of broken device, I couldn't tell what it was  Maybe the thing is some people who use vi or emacs care about the type of keyboard they use, some people who use most other apps care about how many buttons and what kind of resolution their mouse is, and the rest of us just buy the cheapest piece of crap we can?  Relevant content for the thread: Remember when computers didn't come with mice, and when you went out and bought a mouse, it came with some software that used a mouse since you may well not have any? For example Dr. Halo. I may have already posted this though, oops. Okay, I don't think I mentioned the other software I saw bundled with them, which was Microsoft Paintbrush, which was apparently an OEM version of Zsoft PC/Publisher's Paintbrush, and was an MS-DOS app. I think I have/had floppies of this. I think I didn't know it was an OEM product, it had the Microsoft logo on the floppy label if I recall correctly.
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Pilsner posted:Gotta be arrogant here, but there is no good reason to prefer a flat/chiclet keyboard unless space is a concern (such as being on-the-go or in a laptop). A chiclet keyboard at a desktop computer just doesn't make sense. It doesn't have to be a Model M style clicky, but just full height keys. I've been using a keyboard with laptop-style scissor keys for around a decade, and I'm not likely to go back to a standard keyboard anytime soon. Having a completely flat, thin keyboard (or even one that is slightly tilted forwards) is superior for ergonomics.
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