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I watched episode 1-3 and haven't read the book, and ignored all but the first few pages in this thread. The first pages already mentioned the timescale and yeah I just have to agree. Everything seems to happen to fast. I don't remember it because I was half asleep when I binged the first three episodes, but I think it was in the first or second episode where Quentin mentions that they've only been at school for three months. In this same three months Julia was able to seemingly learn more magic than Quentin and also, this is the part I didn't believe, get a loving wrist tattoo and hide it from her boyfriend. I'm completely baffled how this is even possible. The scene where Eliot shows Quentin the school and the different cliques was just a scene by scene copy of Mean Girls. Not that I'm complaining, just stating a fact. But speaking of Eliot, I get that the school probably asked him to be a student helper/ambassador type to welcome Quentin when he first sets foot on campus and then to even give him a tour, but what I don't get is, why is he still around? The episodes thus far have shown me no reason to believe that they are friends or have any reason to be friends. The not-rape scene in the bathroom was really stupid. I get that they were going for the whole "push someone into unleashing their powers" thing but did they seriously have to rip off her shirt and tie her up? It was kind of gross. Even ignoring the grossness of the scene, I seemed really out of place to me that someone would go from "oh poo poo I'm going to get raped by a literal psychic" to "let me follow you into your secret abandoned warehouse all by myself fully aware that you can tie me up with your mind powers and render my magic, what little I know, completely useless." I didn't really understand the scene where the girl stole the book and the crystal. I get that she stole them for the Head Bitch of New York, but why did Penny steal the crystal from her? If these crystals ward of magic then why didn't the Dean have one with him when he went to fight the Beast? Then there's the entire problem with the world building: - I'm just not sure how the world with wizards are structured. In the Harry Potter world, wizards are a literal secret society and magic use is heavily regulated. There you have people born to magical families and they go to magical school to learn about it. In The Magicians, I guess you also have people born into magical families (Alice), but they don't actually have proper magical training until they're adults, and it's also not regulated if you have the existence of hedge witches and being able to use magic in the "real world" in front of a camera equipped ATM. But, they must be aware of magic, because at the Magic SAT everybody but Julia and Quentin were totally not phased by the fact that they have a piece of paper in front of them changing every few seconds. So this just leads me to believe that everybody else in the room were born to magical families and/or made aware of magic and had somehow prepared for the Magic SAT like we'd prepare for the SAT or GRE. So then, what went wrong with Quentin and Julia's lives that nobody made them aware of magic and prepared them for it? Then you have the very first lecture of the very first day of magic school, and instead of teaching a syllabus the teacher simply asks a random student to come show what they can do. Some people know more magic than others, where did they learn it? Alice was taught by her brother sure, but everyone else? - The mindwipe magic must be the weakest mindwipe magic in the world if a random cut on the arm is going to make you remember to google for the name of a university that doesn't exist. - What's the deal with Quentin even? He's some kind of "chosen" one. I think the Dean and/or the Specialist Lady literally says that he is chosen (along with Penny). Ignoring the fact that the chosen one trope is really boring, they also have shown or told me why he's chosen. Harry Potter was a pretty lovely wizard when he started out, but at least they told me why he was chosen: because of his links to Voldemort. Quentin is a lovely wizard who's only made cards fly around, but yet he's chosen and we don't know why. The scene where the Teacher Lady in the Dress and Heels even made it a point to say that Quentin can't do any magic or something like that. At this point he's kind of a boring character, and the only reason why he's the lead character so far is because he's the lead character. There's no other reason. The show is doing a lovely job at selling me that he's important because three episodes in and it's not clear. What we did see with Quentin so far though is that 1) he can just do magic under stress like he did with the cards. The show has so far made it very obvious by zooming in on people's weird hand gestures that you need to do a lot of weird poo poo in order to cast a spell. But the floating cards scene, Quentin just does it by will. I'm going to guess that this is extremely rare, or maybe I'm just completely wrong and not all magic require you to bend your fingers in inhuman ways. And 2), they made it a point to show that Quentin had a photographic memory of seeing that girl do the battle magic spell and was instantly able to imitate every explicit finger position and the words to cast it, without any training. Also, what was the deal with Quentin dropping the coin during the scene with the Beast? Everything and everyone was frozen in place and then all of a sudden Quentin drops his coin. Is this a plot point later on in the books/show? Because with this "chosen one" bullshit I guess I could see this as another display of Quentin's magical plot power, that he can (will be able to) will himself out of power spells like being in stasis and so on. So correct me if I'm wrong but Quentin is just a super powered wizard with unlimited potential because midichlorians.
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Well that was a pretty terrible season with some good moments here and there. I'll still watch next year, if only to see if they make up some new plot now or what. But jesus, the books are like 40,000 times better. I need to reread them (or listen to the masterfully narrated audiobooks* again) to cleanse my palate of the show. *well, except for the botched Australian accent ---- Oh and I am also disappointed about the lack of Humbledrum. He was a good bear.
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Boris Galerkin posted:
You're bad at watching tv. In the episode with the magic card explosion the Dean literally says that people under stress often do exactly that. Like this isn't a Quentin specific thing it's a part of the world. Elliot kills the possessed guy because of emotional whatever's with battle magic he straight doesn't know. And the only reason why Quentin is "chosen" is because like it was again literally said in the episode he's just obsessed with fillory and that is why every time loop he always ends up there.
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Na'at posted:You're bad at watching tv. I didn't get to the part in the first spoiler and as for the second spoiler… what? Is this just another edge of tomorrow story? So there's literally nothing special about Quentin or Penny that the Paramedic lady said that these two were chosen, other than the fact that they were chosen?
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Na'at posted:And the only reason why Quentin is "chosen" is because like it was again literally said in the episode he's just obsessed with fillory and that is why every time loop he always ends up there.
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Oh my god, that was the end of the season? loving seriously? The sad thing is, this episode bordered on decent. If the whole season had been like this it would have been forgettable but OK. As it is, I think the entire season could easily be edited down to a single movie length and lose nothing of value. Of course, they'd need to give it an actual ending rather than the worst attempt at a cliff-hanger in the history of fiction.Nihonniboku posted:- budget constraints Nihonniboku posted:- They went there with Julia's rape after all. Nihonniboku posted:- Why did they bother to include Josh if he was just going to show up for 2 episodes, and do absolutely nothing? Balon posted:Here I was expecting the season to end with the time loop being reset. Each season is a rewind of the season previous, but with Q cognizant of the loop. That's how he starts off each season in the Looney Bin, and we get a few seasons of Groundhog Day until they get it right. karrethuun posted:Most of the complaints are about deviations from the books shadok posted:Quentin's "I realise that I'm not the hero of this story" monologue would have been very poignant Tuxedo Jack posted:This show and the Expanse were both really great Boris Galerkin posted:The first pages already mentioned the timescale and yeah I just have to agree. Everything seems to happen to fast. I don't remember it because I was half asleep when I binged the first three episodes, but I think it was in the first or second episode where Quentin mentions that they've only been at school for three months. In this same three months Julia was able to seemingly learn more magic than Quentin and also, this is the part I didn't believe, get a loving wrist tattoo and hide it from her boyfriend. I'm completely baffled how this is even possible. Boris Galerkin posted:But speaking of Eliot, I get that the school probably asked him to be a student helper/ambassador type to welcome Quentin when he first sets foot on campus and then to even give him a tour, but what I don't get is, why is he still around? Boris Galerkin posted:The not-rape scene in the bathroom was really stupid. I get that they were going for the whole "push someone into unleashing their powers" thing but did they seriously have to rip off her shirt and tie her up? It was kind of gross. Boris Galerkin posted:- I'm just not sure how the world with wizards are structured. In the Harry Potter world, wizards are a literal secret society and magic use is heavily regulated. There you have people born to magical families and they go to magical school to learn about it. In The Magicians, I guess you also have people born into magical families (Alice), but they don't actually have proper magical training until they're adults, and it's also not regulated if you have the existence of hedge witches and being able to use magic in the "real world" in front of a camera equipped ATM. But, they must be aware of magic, because at the Magic SAT everybody but Julia and Quentin were totally not phased by the fact that they have a piece of paper in front of them changing every few seconds. So this just leads me to believe that everybody else in the room were born to magical families and/or made aware of magic and had somehow prepared for the Magic SAT like we'd prepare for the SAT or GRE. So then, what went wrong with Quentin and Julia's lives that nobody made them aware of magic and prepared them for it? Then you have the very first lecture of the very first day of magic school, and instead of teaching a syllabus the teacher simply asks a random student to come show what they can do. Some people know more magic than others, where did they learn it? Alice was taught by her brother sure, but everyone else?  Boris Galerkin posted:- The mindwipe magic must be the weakest mindwipe magic in the world if a random cut on the arm is going to make you remember to google for the name of a university that doesn't exist. Boris Galerkin posted:- What's the deal with Quentin even? He's some kind of "chosen" one. I think the Dean and/or the Specialist Lady literally says that he is chosen (along with Penny). Ignoring the fact that the chosen one trope is really boring, they also have shown or told me why he's chosen. Harry Potter was a pretty lovely wizard when he started out, but at least they told me why he was chosen: because of his links to Voldemort. Quentin is a lovely wizard who's only made cards fly around, but yet he's chosen and we don't know why. Boris Galerkin posted:At this point he's kind of a boring character, and the only reason why he's the lead character so far is because he's the lead character. There's no other reason. Boris Galerkin posted:What we did see with Quentin so far though is that 1) he can just do magic under stress like he did with the cards. The show has so far made it very obvious by zooming in on people's weird hand gestures that you need to do a lot of weird poo poo in order to cast a spell. But the floating cards scene, Quentin just does it by will. I'm going to guess that this is extremely rare Boris Galerkin posted:And 2), they made it a point to show that Quentin had a photographic memory of seeing that girl do the battle magic spell and was instantly able to imitate every explicit finger position and the words to cast it, without any training. Boris Galerkin posted:Also, what was the deal with Quentin dropping the coin during the scene with the Beast? Everything and everyone was frozen in place and then all of a sudden Quentin drops his coin. Is this a plot point later on in the books/show? Boris Galerkin posted:Is this just another edge of tomorrow story?
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Tiggum posted:The whole season operates this way. It's like a dream. There's absolutely no way to keep track of the passage of time. It's honestly as bad as The Shannara Chronicles. My wife has maybe watched two episodes worth of the show and the passage of time is her biggest complaint. We took the dog for a walk before I watched the finale yesterday and she basically said, "They will be moping about something in one scene, then in the next scene they are wearing different clothes and moping about something else. Is it because it's the next day or did they jump ahead a week? There's no context for how much time is passing."
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lurksion posted:That's only stated in the last episode of the season. He's talking about the first 3 episodes, which were pretty poo poo. A theme of the books is "everyone is a hero of their own story". Grossman has said it in interviews and it's repeated by Quentin in the TV show. Quentin was "The Chosen One" simply because he is the one who volunteered every time - because it was what he thought he was supposed to do and because he loved Fillory. Jane or Ember remark on this in the finale. This puts a spin on the first episode when Jane and Fogg talk about Quentin, it's why The Beast knows who Quentin is. I thought it was a nice way to subvert it and it parallels the book thematically.
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Tiggum posted:Nope. Wow seriously? I thought him not being given a magic school equivalent of a college major was something significant/because he's (going to be) good at everything.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Wow seriously? I thought him not being given a magic school equivalent of a college major was something significant/because he's (going to be) good at everything. But to be fair this was something that comes directly from the books. I'm pretty sure Lev threw it in just to create this expectation and then subvert it.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I didn't get to the part in the first spoiler and as for the second spoiler… what? Is this just another edge of tomorrow story? My takeaway was there's nothing special about Quentin and Penny. Its just that Penny's the guy who discovers the girl in the dungeon and can get them to Fillory and Quentin's the obsessed enough one to realize it is Fillory and push the issue. The fact that Elliot was the chosen King, Q accepted that Alice was the most powerful magician, and Julia ultimately ended up being the most pivotal player all just hammered that home. Q and Penny are just parts, they were just the two parts that Jane thought were key to get the ball rolling. But as established by her 40 failures Jane doesn't necessarily have any great insight beyond experience. Which was really what the time loop reveal showed. Quentin wasn't "chosen." There was no prophecy or divine purpose at play. It was just trial and error experience from 39 failed loops.
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at this rate that person doesn't even need to watch the rest of the show after the first 3 episodes, what with everyone directly replying to them with spoilers good
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Boris Galerkin posted:Wow seriously? I thought him not being given a magic school equivalent of a college major was something significant/because he's (going to be) good at everything. In the books, Quentin has the same thing where nobody can figure out what his 'discipline' is. Way later on, he gets retested and it turns out to be something ridiculously mundane ('mending small objects'). The show plays up the 'chosen one' angle (until it does a heel turn on it) but the books are pretty explicit in that Quentin isn't special at all, the reason he ended up in the middle of everything was simply because he was a sad sack who compulsively worked at magic until he was good at it (Alice and to some extent Eliot/Josh are the ones with talent) and he never gave up his childlike obsession with Fillory.
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Kind of surprised they didn't go niffin with Alice after introducing the concept earlier in the season.
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Harrow posted:Kind of surprised they didn't go niffin with Alice after introducing the concept earlier in the season. Well, they haven't killed the Beast yet either, and I recall she turned into a Niffen in the process of killing the Beast right?
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Nihonniboku posted:Well, they haven't killed the Beast yet either, and I recall she turned into a Niffen in the process of killing the Beast right? Yep. Plus they got a solid actor for The Beast. So why not explore more of the character? Julia and the Beast go on a god killing quest with Quentin and co in hot pursuit.
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Finished watching episodes 4-7 last night. Episode 4: the plot with Marina and putting Quentin in a dream state didn't make sense to me at all. It seems like being able to just put someone into said dream state just like that, is way too loving powerful and why hasn't it been abused more often? Why didn't the dean go chasing after Marina after finding out she's stolen her memories back? I'm assuming Julia told him that's what they were after because why wouldn't she? The whole removing the magical wards thing just to do this one cure seems really dumb too from the point of view of rendering your entire school completely vulnerable to all the magical things out there. They really should have known better since not just a few days, weeks, or months ago (who knows, it's time!) a magical death beast just waltz right into the school and killed a teacher. Episode 5: the Filory thing was pretty interesting. Also Marina seems really super uber powerful. Why isn't the dean doing anything about this again? Because he's not the magical police? Is there a magical police? It seems really irresponsible to teach these people how to control minds and summon fireballs and then just letting them go off to do whatever the gently caress they want to do without any regards to what they might do. You could say schools in real life kind of do the same, but at least there's the whole society of police, regulations, etc., going on. If I choose go to school as a computer scientist and decide to use that to hack the government then there's the whole FBI/CIA/NSA whatever agencies who are going to come down hard on me. If I go to school to learn how to conjure fireballs and decide to blow up banks then who's going to stop me in that world? Episode 6: the trials seem kind of like bullshit in my opinion. At first I thought they were just some kind of hazing ritual, but it actually has real consequences and expels you from the school? What kind of bullshit is that?  at making Julia and the mother look like junkies. I guess that's basically what they are though. "Do you have the stuff? Give it to me. . I don't really get the deal with the mother/daughter thing. The mother hosed up somehow and Marina helped her out and in return "bought" the daughter and now she's a Episode 7: nothing really bad to say about this episode except cool, we got to see Quentin do magic. Also I was wrong about the whole non-verbal thing so I guess it doesn't actually matter at all. What I don't get though is the whole training or lack of training these people are getting. The Russian professor was basically telling Penny "yep you can disappear to somewhere completely random and die but I'll teach you! now go disappear to somewhere random and hope you don't die." And then there's like the part where the professor just throws Quentin and Alice out into the cold and telling them to survive but without actually teaching them how to survive or what to do. What kind of lovely education is this? I also really hope the plot with Penny's girlfriend is over because she's quite a boring character and her story is boring. I forgot which episode had the Djinn but how did he get summoned into the school with all the wards up and poo poo? I'm pretty sure this happened after the episode where they made it a point to say that the wards prevent everything from coming in and that's why they had to lower them to save Quentin. Actually now that I think about it, the Beast was able to get into the school with the wards intact because he was invited basically. Well the scorpion thing was also summoned/invited. How come he/it couldn't just enter like the Beast did? Do we find out what happened to the 3rd year students?
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Boris Galerkin posted:I forgot which episode had the Djinn but how did he get summoned into the school with all the wards up and poo poo? I'm pretty sure this happened after the episode where they made it a point to say that the wards prevent everything from coming in and that's why they had to lower them to save Quentin.
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They created the Djinn, they didnt summon it. Or at least that was the impression I got.
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Emerson Cod posted:They created the Djinn, they didnt summon it. Or at least that was the impression I got. Sure, but that doesn't explain the scorpion thing though.
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FRINGE posted:This show (and probably books) have no internal consistency at all. The metaphysics of harry potter look like a deep doctoral dissertation compared to this thing. The books are better about it, if only because when something is different from normal they have the time to explain why and how. That said, they're also intentionally vague about the limitations and capabilities of magic except where plot-important.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Episode 5: the Filory thing was pretty interesting. Also Marina seems really super uber powerful. Why isn't the dean doing anything about this again? Because he's not the magical police? Is there a magical police? It seems really irresponsible to teach these people how to control minds and summon fireballs and then just letting them go off to do whatever the gently caress they want to do without any regards to what they might do. You could say schools in real life kind of do the same, but at least there's the whole society of police, regulations, etc., going on. If I choose go to school as a computer scientist and decide to use that to hack the government then there's the whole FBI/CIA/NSA whatever agencies who are going to come down hard on me. If I go to school to learn how to conjure fireballs and decide to blow up banks then who's going to stop me in that world? There are no magic police because why would you need them? Oh you're a fully trained magician and you want some money; make some. Most magicians just don't give a poo poo about the kinds of things that lead regular people to commit crimes. There also aren't really a nations worth of magicians so there isn't a magic police department that answers to the magic mayor who wants to get magic reelected. Basically if you wanna do something with magic you're free to do it but you also have to remember that there are other magicians out there who may not want you exposing magic or doing whatever you're doing and there's no magic cops or government or anything stopping them from killing you. Boris Galerkin posted:Sure, but that doesn't explain the scorpion thing though. The scorpion was specifically a Demon. Also known as a monster literally from hell. So inviting a magician in to your school is something students are capable of doing I'm sure but demons are blocked as a rule.
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Na'at posted:The scorpion was specifically a Demon. Also known as a monster literally from hell. So inviting a magician in to your school is something students are capable of doing I'm sure but demons are blocked as a rule.
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I didn't know the beast was a person. Looked pretty demon-y to me.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Episode 6: the trials seem kind of like bullshit in my opinion. At first I thought they were just some kind of hazing ritual, but it actually has real consequences and expels you from the school? What kind of bullshit is that? Boris Galerkin posted:I don't really get the deal with the mother/daughter thing. The mother hosed up somehow and Marina helped her out and in return "bought" the daughter and now she's a Boris Galerkin posted:What I don't get though is the whole training or lack of training these people are getting. The Russian professor was basically telling Penny "yep you can disappear to somewhere completely random and die but I'll teach you! now go disappear to somewhere random and hope you don't die." And then there's like the part where the professor just throws Quentin and Alice out into the cold and telling them to survive but without actually teaching them how to survive or what to do. What kind of lovely education is this? Boris Galerkin posted:Do we find out what happened to the 3rd year students?
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I was never totally clear on why the Wizards and Witches in the Harry Potter world had Magical Police and secrecy, to be honest. It all came off as pretty elitist and dickish to me what with all the "aren't muggles so quaint" stuff from people like the Weasleys. This impression probably wasn't helped that twice in the span of less than 20 years the entire magic world got into a civil war over whether or not they should kill anyone with non-magic blood. That seemed like a pretty racist society. Even the ones who didn't want to kill "muggles" were condescending dicks who apparently couldn't be bothered sharing their magic to solve some world problems. The Magicians world isn't much less hypocritical. Sure, on one hand they're all "whatever, be a dick if you want to be" but that doesn't stop them from erasing your memory if you fail their school tests. Seems like all Wizards, Witches, and Magicians are dicks. Boris Galerkin posted:I didn't know the beast was a person. Looked pretty demon-y to me. This gets explained as you go along.
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STAC Goat posted:I was never totally clear on why the Wizards and Witches in the Harry Potter world had Magical Police and secrecy, to be honest. It all came off as pretty elitist and dickish to me what with all the "aren't muggles so quaint" stuff from people like the Weasleys.
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STAC Goat posted:The Magicians world isn't much less hypocritical. Sure, on one hand they're all "whatever, be a dick if you want to be" but that doesn't stop them from erasing your memory if you fail their school tests. That's a kindness. Look at the personal torment Julia goes through because she remembers that Hogwarts is real and she can't go. Also everyone who fails the Brakebills test gets into whatever Ivy League school they want, courtesy of The Magicans.
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STAC Goat posted:It all came off as pretty elitist and dickish to me
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STAC Goat posted:Seems like all Wizards, Witches, and Magicians are dicks. 
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STAC Goat posted:I was never totally clear on why the Wizards and Witches in the Harry Potter world had Magical Police and secrecy, to be honest. It all came off as pretty elitist and dickish to me what with all the "aren't muggles so quaint" stuff from people like the Weasleys. If you just watched the movies I can see how you'd think that but if you read the books there's a whole lot of examples showing the wizards are actually the huge dumbasses. They can't even understand how to use a phone, understand addresses and it takes real actual medicine to save Ron's dad and all the doctors are like what the gently caress are stitches how did this work.
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I can kinda buy a "why the gently caress should we learn how to do medicine when I have a mixture that will loving grow bones back" mentality of why the wizarding world is so insular. They've got amazing poo poo and technology rarely compares, so why bother. Problem is there's plenty of people like Harry, who grew up without knowing that wizards exist and once they become a part of that world would totally be more of a fusion between muggle/wizards than Pureblood families that are born and grow up steeped in the culture. At SOME point you're going to get someone that is enamored with technology like Arthur Weasley but was also born into it and gets it. With the Magicians I think it's different because wizards are huge diiiiicks and if you make it into Brakebills or an equivalent it's like joining up with an Ivy League and you're going to poo poo on everyone and everything not part of that world because you're just so much better than them. It's that elite classism taken to a new level.
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Tiggum posted:This show is really into rape. It's weird. Man you really weird kidding.
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Apr 16, 2016 16:15
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I kind of thought that it was implied in the books that magic sort of comes out of human suffering and extreme intelligence. Which explains why nobody is happy and everyone is a dick because if you were happy you wouldn't need magic/be magical. On a different note, I also liked quick joke in the final episode about the air in Fillory being 0.05% opium.
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Bobatron posted:On a different note, I also liked quick joke in the final episode about the air in Fillory being 0.05% opium. That was a great line.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Man you really weird kidding. Bobatron posted:I kind of thought that it was implied in the books that magic sort of comes out of human suffering and extreme intelligence. Which explains why nobody is happy and everyone is a dick because if you were happy you wouldn't need magic/be magical. Has anyone ever interviewed the trainwreck that must be GrossMan? [edit: yes!] Is he a survivor of one of those New York jewish pedo-cults that made it into the new the last few years, or a free-will self-made "magical" rape monster? "Rape and suffering makes you magical!" "Taking in semen makes you a young god!"  "Childhood fantasy books get you raped by adults." "Praying to gods gets you raped by monsters." Like this poo poo is ripe for an analyst. From the author: quote:It’s true, and it’s horrible, the way I’ve soiled these wonderful utopian visions with reality. The problem with them is that, 70 or 80 years down the line, they’re just not convincing. They just didn’t feel real to me. I guess I just didn’t believe in them anymore. But I wanted to believe in them! So I felt that I had to bring to them all this stuff that I was so conscious was being airbrushed out of them. quote:When you’re depressed, when you’re in bed and feel like you can’t get out, you can’t imagine doing work or accomplishing anything or anybody loving you. So when you look around you and you see these things happening to other people, they look like magic to you. They look that exotic, that strange, that impossible. And when you begin to crawl out of the pit and reengage with the world, it seems very magical. It felt as though getting out of bed yesterday was impossible, but now you’re doing it. Just by returning to daily life, you’re a magician. quote:“That’s my emotional life you see in the books.” quote:Shortly after that I switched to a different SSRI called Lexapro. I liked the sound of that. After all I’m a writer. A professional writer. I’m a lexical pro. Lexapro! I think deconstructing the author is more interesting than the "depression and rape make you a wizard" story itself (from the show at least).
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He's pretty high up as a writer at TIME. Does that count?
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