Fighting Games: the casuals are coming for your niche and you better be afraid

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it is: Aug 19, 2011; by Smythe

There's a factual error in the OP, you said Smash isn't a fighting game.

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dangerdoom volvo: Nov 5, 2009

it is posted:

There's a factual error in the OP, you said Smash isn't a fighting game.

# ? Apr 16, 2016 18:55

Saoshyant: Oct 26, 2010

I know you think you learned to troll with the experts, but they weren't very good at it. You can do better, "it is", I believe in you. One day you will cause a shitstorm on the fighting games thread, but that day won't be today.

# ? Apr 16, 2016 18:59

NecroMonster: Jan 4, 2009

whatever smash has it's own thread it doesn't need to come up here unless it's related to whatever conversation/debate has come up in which case it's status as a fighting game is unimportant look just let brosnan have this he needs it he likes 3d fighting games

# ? Apr 16, 2016 19:03

dangerdoom volvo: Nov 5, 2009

I heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Life seems harsh, and cruel. Says he feels all alone in threatening world. Doctor says: "Treatment is simple. Play fighting games. They're fun. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. "But doctor..." he says "I play tekken."

# ? Apr 16, 2016 19:08

Dias: Feb 20, 2011; by sebmojo

NecroMonster posted:

whatever smash has it's own thread it doesn't need to come up here unless it's related to whatever conversation/debate has come up in which case it's status as a fighting game is unimportant look just let brosnan have this he needs it he likes 3d fighting games

Goodbye, Tekken! (2016): Brosnan wakes up from a 20 year coma after slipping and hitting his head on a Tekken 3 cabinet. No one plays Tekken anymore and Smash Bros is one of the biggest competitive fighting games in America, but the SA thread is afraid the shock from those news might kill the only person that could be bothered making general fighting game threads. Hijinks ensue.

# ? Apr 16, 2016 19:08

Brosnan: Nov 13, 2004; Pwning the incels with my waifu fg character. Get trolled; Lipstick Apathy

TEKKEN IS SUPER POPULAR AND GOOD YOU GUYS WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME

# ? Apr 16, 2016 20:43

Ventana: Mar 28, 2010; *Yosh intensifies*

How do I know Tekken is super popular if it doesn't have angry internet nerds fighting 24/7 about which is the best?

# ? Apr 16, 2016 20:46

boxcarhobo: Jun 23, 2005

tekken owns;

play tekken

# ? Apr 16, 2016 20:48

Brosnan: Nov 13, 2004; Pwning the incels with my waifu fg character. Get trolled; Lipstick Apathy

StabMasterArson posted:

I'm managing to pull off things far more reliably with the stick than the pad, except DPs. I think I do prefer it.
I tried KI but I have no idea how these mechanics work and it feels like we're just trading combos lol

There are some good aspects to KI in terms of like, the feature set and stuff that the game comes with, but you are right that the game is about trading combos. The reason I didn't really suggest it as an intro game (even though I've heard the tutorial is great) is that KI's version of the neutral game is basically for one of you to be in a combo, and once you're in that mode, it's a weighted rock-paper-scissors game to see if the guy doing the combo actually gets to hurt you or not.

If the current gen options that have actual player bases (SF5, Xrd, maybe KI/MKX) don't really interest you, consider picking one of the more popular Fightcade titles and just see if you can get some goons to teach it to you. Some of the Goonsgarden crew are total sharks and will just tear you up, but others will actually walk you through stuff if you pick a game that they like. I guess if I had to pick some examples of that:

KOF98 - Good if you want something faster than SF4 but easier to follow than anime/Marvel.
X-Men vs. Street Fighter - Good if you want to dip your toe into busted-rear end Vs. games where basically everyone has an infinite that you may or may not be able to do.
Vampire Savior - Good if you want to have fun (seriously this game owns and more people should play it).

A few people will also say 3rd Strike and Jojo's but in reality people say they like those games more than they are actually willing to play them.

Just make sure you spend some actual time learning whatever game you pick, rather than playing hopscotch. I think forums user Faffel got into fighting games with KOFXIII, put some real time into it, and then started branching out to other stuff. But you kinda need to at least understand fundamentals of at least one thing before you start playing lots of things.

# ? Apr 16, 2016 20:58

Monk E: May 19, 2009

Brosnan posted:

A few people will also say 3rd Strike and Jojo's but in reality people say they like those games more than they are actually willing to play them.

To be fair the same could be said for pretty much every non Capcom game.

# ? Apr 16, 2016 21:06

Dias: Feb 20, 2011; by sebmojo

boxcarhobo posted:

tekken owns;

play tekken

But I'm already invested in one game no one plays! How can I balance not playing Melty Blood and not playing Tekken at the same time?

# ? Apr 16, 2016 21:07

boxcarhobo: Jun 23, 2005

you count dressing up your tekken dollies with in game hats as 'playing' tekken

that way you too can be a tekken lord

# ? Apr 16, 2016 21:11

Reiley: Dec 16, 2007

How does the Tekken balance process works? I've read they run through arcade revisions before releasing a console version to keep their games tight, but is there a pattern or method to it? do they focus on just a handful of characters at a time? Or does a Tekken arcade patch bring sweeping changes for everyone?

# ? Apr 16, 2016 21:14

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006; The Suffering of the Succotash.

Brosnan posted:

There are some good aspects to KI in terms of like, the feature set and stuff that the game comes with, but you are right that the game is about trading combos. The reason I didn't really suggest it as an intro game (even though I've heard the tutorial is great) is that KI's version of the neutral game is basically for one of you to be in a combo, and once you're in that mode, it's a weighted rock-paper-scissors game to see if the guy doing the combo actually gets to hurt you or not.

If the current gen options that have actual player bases (SF5, Xrd, maybe KI/MKX) don't really interest you, consider picking one of the more popular Fightcade titles and just see if you can get some goons to teach it to you. Some of the Goonsgarden crew are total sharks and will just tear you up, but others will actually walk you through stuff if you pick a game that they like. I guess if I had to pick some examples of that:

KOF98 - Good if you want something faster than SF4 but easier to follow than anime/Marvel.

X-Men vs. Street Fighter - Good if you want to dip your toe into busted-rear end Vs. games where basically everyone has an infinite that you may or may not be able to do.

Vampire Savior - Good if you want to have fun (seriously this game owns and more people should play it).
A few people will also say 3rd Strike and Jojo's but in reality people say they like those games more than they are actually willing to play them.

Just make sure you spend some actual time learning whatever game you pick, rather than playing hopscotch. I think forums user Faffel got into fighting games with KOFXIII, put some real time into it, and then started branching out to other stuff. But you kinda need to at least understand fundamentals of at least one thing before you start playing lots of things.

This isn't right. KI's neutral is in fact a regular neutral game. KI has footsies. KI has zoning. KI has mixups. KI has all of those things in the sense that a normal fighting game has all of things. KI's difference is that the defender is still fully engaged in playing the game while getting combo'd.

# ? Apr 16, 2016 21:23

teh_Broseph: Oct 21, 2010; THE LAST METROID IS IN
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teh_Broseph fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Apr 16, 2016

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AndyElusive: Jan 7, 2007

teh_Broseph posted:

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# ? Apr 16, 2016 21:43

punk rebel ecks: Dec 11, 2010; A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Monk E posted:

To be fair the same could be said for pretty much every fighting game.

A.o.D. posted:

This isn't right. KI's neutral is in fact a regular neutral game. KI has footsies. KI has zoning. KI has mixups. KI has all of those things in the sense that a normal fighting game has all of things. KI's difference is that the defender is still fully engaged in playing the game while getting combo'd.

Not to mention I wouldn't really call the combobreaker (if that is what he was referring to) "rock, paper, scissors" . You can read and react to the combos on time if you're good enough IIRC.

# ? Apr 16, 2016 21:45

dhamster: Aug 5, 2013; I got into my car and ate my chalupa with a feeling of accomplishment.

whoops, wrong thread

dhamster fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Apr 16, 2016

# ? Apr 16, 2016 21:49

Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Brosnan posted:

Vampire Savior - Good if you want to have fun (seriously this game owns and more people should play it).

Vampire Savior is excellent, and I wish there were a modern game that were anything like it.

Every character has unique movement mechanics. It's extremely momentum- and rushdown-focused, but there are still characters that have a "defensive" style in that context. It's got air-blocking, pushblock, ground tech, and all these other signifiers of an anime game, but combos are generally short.

It's also beautifully animated, has a ton of personality, and a very welcoming community. (All eight of us.)

# ? Apr 16, 2016 22:05

AnonSpore: Jan 19, 2012; "I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

It's also beautifully animated, has a ton of personality, and a very welcoming community. (All eight of us.)

Choosing to round upwards I see

# ? Apr 16, 2016 22:09

Rent-a-Bot: Oct 21, 2012; FOOL! DOCTOR DOOM DOES AS HE PLEASES!

Which is better for picking up games of kof 98, fightcade or steam?

# ? Apr 16, 2016 23:28

dangerdoom volvo: Nov 5, 2009

Fifjtade

# ? Apr 16, 2016 23:30

punk rebel ecks: Dec 11, 2010; A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Rent-a-Bot posted:

Which is better for picking up games of kof 98, fightcade or steam?

Fightcade (select King of Fighters '98) according to the stats.

Though Steam has Ultimate Match & the original while Fightcade only has original '98.

# ? Apr 17, 2016 00:21

Safety Scissors: Feb 21, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

He said "weighted rock paper scissors" and I think that's fair. Keep in mind though that it's weighted in favor of the person doing the combo because manuals and light auto doubles have to be guessed to be broken. Additionally, if you're too predictable on breaking heavies people will just throw them out on purpose and counterbreak.

That being said the perception that KI is all about combos is simply wrong. An equivalent statement would be that SFIV is all about doing full screen ultras because you saw that a lot online. While all characters have the potential to do large combos, it doesn't automatically mean that's a good option. If you're just trading combos, chances are your fundamentals are weak.

# ? Apr 17, 2016 00:41

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006; The Suffering of the Succotash.

The idea that the combo game constitutes KI's neutral is ridiculous, though.

# ? Apr 17, 2016 00:55

WorldIndustries: Dec 21, 2004

Brosnan posted:

KOF98 - Good if you want something faster than SF4 but easier to follow than anime/Marvel.

X-Men vs. Street Fighter - Good if you want to dip your toe into busted-rear end Vs. games where basically everyone has an infinite that you may or may not be able to do.

Vampire Savior - Good if you want to have fun (seriously this game owns and more people should play it).

For anyone else who is into fightcade, I am really bad but want to play all of the above (plus COTA, ST, and 3s.) If you have mediocre fg fundamentals from SF and want to play other games then we are in the same boat, let's fight.

Add me on steam or find me in that goon discord thing
http://steamcommunity.com/id/booyah-

WorldIndustries fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Apr 17, 2016

# ? Apr 17, 2016 03:41

ChazTurbo: Oct 4, 2014

Getting a Wireless Fighting Stick 3 for about 40 bucks out of curiosity and since I want something to gently caress around with and play arcade with games when I'm in bed. Any qualms I should keep in mind in terms of modding difficulty and dongle problems?

ChazTurbo fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Apr 17, 2016

# ? Apr 17, 2016 09:41

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006; The Suffering of the Succotash.

ChazTurbo posted:

Getting a Wireless Fighting Stick 3 for about 40 bucks out of curiosity and since I want something to gently caress around with and play arcade with games when I'm in bed. Any qualms I should keep in mind in terms of modding difficulty and dongle problems?

People sperg out of milliseconds of latency, but a wireless controller is probably going to add visually noticable amounts of input latency. I mean, if you just don't care, that sounds fine.

# ? Apr 17, 2016 13:16

StabMasterArson: May 31, 2011

punk rebel ecks posted:

Fightcade (select King of Fighters '98) according to the stats.

Though Steam has Ultimate Match & the original while Fightcade only has original '98.

I loaded it up in FC and noone was playing

Thanks for the informative posts, think I'll just stick with SFV for a bit
e: Guess it was glitching cos there's like 80+ people now :v:

# ? Apr 17, 2016 14:10

whip: Apr 9, 2007; by Lowtax

Brosnan posted:

TEKKEN IS SUPER POPULAR AND GOOD YOU GUYS WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME

Why is Wang gone? :cry:

# ? Apr 17, 2016 16:47

netcat: Apr 29, 2008

StabMasterArson posted:

I loaded it up in FC and noone was playing
Thanks for the informative posts, think I'll just stick with SFV for a bit
e: Guess it was glitching cos there's like 80+ people now

Isn't there like 3 rooms only for 98?

# ? Apr 17, 2016 17:02