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 Latest update:  Thread title courtesy of Rigged Death Trap. Alternative titles: 1) What in the hell... Let's Play Legacy of Kain: Defiance (SorataYuy) 2) I AM THE ORIGIN OF LIFE (Legacy of Kain: Defiance) (Me) 3) Legacy of Kain: Defiance, Where Impaling People is Fun (Me) 4) Legacy of Kain: Defiance (me) It's time. Other LoK LPs: Blood Omen: playlist/thread/archive (note: low quality compared to the other three, I had no clue what I was doing for the first 2/3 of the LP) Soul Reaver: playlist/thread/archive Soul Reaver 2: playlist/thread/archive Blood Omen 2: playlist/thread/archive Legacy of Kain: Defiance is the fifth and the last Legacy of Kain. We are Kain and we are Raziel. 1) Raziel is looking for a way to not get trapped inside the Reaver and to escape from THE ORIGIN OF LIFE THE HUB OF THE WHEEL THE DEVOURER OF DEATH; 2) Kain is looking for a way for Raziel to not get trapped inside the Reaver and to prevent Blood Omen 2 from happening; 3) Moebius and THE ORIGIN OF LIFE THE HUB OF THE WHEEL THE DEVOURER OF DEATH are performing an evil, as usual. 4) New combat; 5) Linear progression; 6) Amy Hennig fixed most of the trash that BO2 unleashed upon us. Not all of it, but most of it. Spoilers Use tags. The LP It's a 100% LP where I collect everything there is to collect, sometimes against my better judgment. Videos                        
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Alexey's note: beware the spoilers!KieranWalker posted:Ah, Defiance. Definitely the best game in the series, all around. They really managed to work out most of the flaws this time around; combat can still get fairly tedious, but you've got more variety and some nifty abilities to make up for it (impaling dudes on wall-mounted hooks or throwing them over cliffs is always entertaining). The more hacky-slashy combat may be hit or miss for some, but I find it more engaging than SR/SR2's if only because it's faster and more active. The camera angles do suck, but they're not horrible. I tend to find them mostly inoffensive. I have played around with a mod in the Steam version to give free camera control, but it has the unfortunate side effect of breaking cutscenes. In a game with as many cutscenes as Defiance has, it's basically unusable. anilEhilated posted:To mend my reputation (yeah, right) with the thread, I mentioned an LoK-themed power metal song in the last thread. Well, I found it. It's, uh, enthusiastic. inscrutable horse posted:I felt... inspired by that fight against those three statues. anilEhilated posted:I think it's safe to post this, just beware of spoilers in related videos: Turel's VA really gets into the role and it's great. First time I saw this and he did the "I must have BLOOD! YOURS!" bit, I veritably jumped in the chair. Vicissitude posted:And there we have it. The ONE time in the whole game that Kain smiles out of sheer joy, even if it's tinged with a bit of malice. All the times before now have been mostly malice or intimidation. This time, he's just happy Zain posted:nobody could see the squid. The corruption is basically twisting people. Kain wasn't really a good human to begin with, but was supposed to be. All the pillar guardians were supposed to be more or less good people that stood up for what their pillar represented. Raygereio posted:Here's a neat detail that I can't believe I never noticed this before: Check out the Scion of Balance's pose in his mural and compare it to Kain's symbol. nutri_void fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jul 17, 2016 |
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Apr 17, 2016 23:42
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Of course I would forget to put a tag when none of the mods are online. drat.
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Apr 17, 2016 23:43
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Alexeythegreat posted:Of course I would forget to put a tag when none of the mods are online. I forgive you.
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Apr 17, 2016 23:59
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Oh gods finally. I was getting terribly annoyed with BO2.
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Apr 18, 2016 00:17
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Oh gods finally. Which part didn't you like? The part where you have to flip a switch, then jog back a long way and flip another switch? Or the other part, where there's a switch, and you have to use your switch-flipping powers to flip it remotely before jogging back and flipping the original switch two more times? Or was it that boss fight against that invincible boss that ran around the level at random, but you had to get him to run at a specific place? Or was it the dumb character art? Or was it the fact that it is long beyond all reason. Actually, I wonder how long it would be if Kain ran at a proper vampire pace instead of a modest human-speed jog.
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Apr 18, 2016 00:27
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Can't run and keep his dignity. He's walking around his future domain's city...canyons... sewers. I'm gonna play along with this one, Defiance hasn't aged too badly.
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Apr 18, 2016 09:24
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anilEhilated posted:Can't run and keep his dignity. He's walking around his future domain's city...canyons... sewers. ...switches...
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Apr 18, 2016 13:14
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So I completely checked out of the BO2 thread. I just...I couldn't watch anymore. Not because Alexey makes bad LP's, but because it's BO2. But, yay Defiance! We can talk about a game that's fun and good again.
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Apr 18, 2016 13:26
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Ah, Defiance. The last chapter. The voice acting and script are absolutely excellent.
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Apr 18, 2016 14:28
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Woohoo! Alexey returns from doing that game about Norse mythology!
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Apr 18, 2016 14:34
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DukeofCA posted:So I completely checked out of the BO2 thread. I just...I couldn't watch anymore. Not because Alexey makes bad LP's, but because it's BO2. Pretty much my sentiments exactly.
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Apr 18, 2016 15:55
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Crigit posted:Pretty much my sentiments exactly. Yeah, same he~ oh, wait....
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Apr 18, 2016 16:40
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well compared to blood omen 2 this game is like a breath of fresh air. Good god the difference is night and day. It looks so... for lack of a better word, smooth. The movement seems to flow better, the combat is obviously miles above BO2 and I'm so very happy to have good writers back again. I'm really hoping this game lives up to what I'm seeing here.
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Apr 18, 2016 23:56
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I went back to play this after the SR2 LP was done. I had forgotten how frustrating the drat camera angles are. Still, good times are ahead!
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Apr 19, 2016 00:15
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JohnOfOrdo3 posted:well compared to blood omen 2 this game is like a breath of fresh air. Good god the difference is night and day. It looks so... for lack of a better word, smooth. The movement seems to flow better, the combat is obviously miles above BO2 and I'm so very happy to have good writers back again. I'm really hoping this game lives up to what I'm seeing here. It's easily the most interesting, best written, and most fun game in the series. It's only 2 drawbacks are the camera is sometimes wonky, but it came from an era of fixed camera games, and eventually the combat starts to get a bit repetitive because all the best combat skills are learned very early on or in some cases right from the start.
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Apr 19, 2016 05:36
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Alexeythegreat posted:Yeah, same he~ oh, wait.... I figure one of us was paying attention to that game.
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Apr 19, 2016 05:49
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The combat is fine in my opinion, the thing that broke the camels back for me when I was young was having way too many puzzle dungeon intermissions. I played through most of it only to drop it at like the last one.
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Apr 19, 2016 06:00
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I'm another who's going play Defiance along with the LP. It's been at least 10 years, and I've been trying to get the PC version to work with a PS4 controller but I seem to be too dumb to get it all working nicely.
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Apr 19, 2016 06:36
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I forgot how amazing this game's version of Ariel's Lament is. e: Speaking of Cadaverous Laceration, you gotta show off the move list help menu at some point: the names of the combos are voice-acted and it's magical. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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Apr 19, 2016 10:13
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anilEhilated posted:I forgot how amazing this game's version of Ariel's Lament is. I will, but probably once I have more of these combos.
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Apr 19, 2016 12:55
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Ok, so I watched the Blood Omen 2 thread and from the first video I was thinking "man this is way worse than I remember it being" and it took me way too drat long to realize I was thinking of this game instead. I never really played any of the Blood Soul Omen Reaver games, just half remembered watching a friend play them.
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Apr 21, 2016 04:19
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Ah, Defiance. Definitely the best game in the series, all around. They really managed to work out most of the flaws this time around; combat can still get fairly tedious, but you've got more variety and some nifty abilities to make up for it (impaling dudes on wall-mounted hooks or throwing them over cliffs is always entertaining). The more hacky-slashy combat may be hit or miss for some, but I find it more engaging than SR/SR2's if only because it's faster and more active. The camera angles do suck, but they're not horrible. I tend to find them mostly inoffensive. I have played around with a mod in the Steam version to give free camera control, but it has the unfortunate side effect of breaking cutscenes. In a game with as many cutscenes as Defiance has, it's basically unusable. Controller support is finicky in the PC version. I think I went into this in the SR2 thread, but none of the PC versions recognize analog triggers (L/R2 and L/RT on a PS3/4 and 360/dogbox controller, respectively). The workaround I found for that is to map what you want on those buttons in-game to a keyboard input, then use a program like JoyToKey to map the keyboard inputs to your L/R triggers. It works surprisingly well. To use a PS4 controller, I think you'd need an XInput wrapper like X360ce, or to have specific DS4 controller drivers--there is a good set out there, but I don't presently have it installed and I'm not sure the name of it. On the subject of the game, I find it interesting how differently Moebius comes across in this one compared to SR/SR2. Granted, you only see him through Raziel's eyes in those games, and this time when you meet him you're playing as Kain. I imagine he drops the smarmy nice guy pretense entirely when dealing with Kain because A) why bother at this point, and B) Kain sees through it and responds better to relative honesty. But beyond that, he's less... antagonistic than you'd expect this time around, and it's really quite difficult to tell whether he's working against you or not. I also love that most of Kain's animations, voice clips, and what have you are directly calling back to Blood Omen. I started playing Defiance right after watching the BO LP and began to really pick up on that for the first time. The development team really didn't forget ANYTHING from the first game, and I find it endearing. And they don't just do it for Blood Omen either; how many times did you go through that central courtyard in the Sarafan Stronghold in SR2? It looks a bit different due to fancier graphics in Defiance, but here we are again, now visiting it as Kain rather than Raziel. So good.
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Apr 21, 2016 12:58
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Tuxedo Ted posted:Ok, so I watched the Blood Omen 2 thread and from the first video I was thinking "man this is way worse than I remember it being" and it took me way too drat long to realize I was thinking of this game instead. I never really played any of the Blood Soul Omen Reaver games, just half remembered watching a friend play them. To be fair, you may have as well played BO2 itselt, too. "I don't remember this being as bad" is a very common sentiment because of the astonishing forgettableness of the game 
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Apr 21, 2016 21:49
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By the way, I'm ramping up the game audio during cutscenes so that the overall audio balance remains the same throughout the entire video. Tell me if it's okay or I should ramp it up more/less.
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Apr 21, 2016 21:49
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When I remember how awesome this series is I remember stuff from this game and Soul Reaver this most. BO2 is just so weirdly out there.KieranWalker posted:On the subject of the game, I find it interesting how differently Moebius comes across in this one compared to SR/SR2. Granted, you only see him through Raziel's eyes in those games, and this time when you meet him you're playing as Kain. I imagine he drops the smarmy nice guy pretense entirely when dealing with Kain because A) why bother at this point, and B) Kain sees through it and responds better to relative honesty. But beyond that, he's less... antagonistic than you'd expect this time around, and it's really quite difficult to tell whether he's working against you or not. It also helps that Mobius, being the dude what knows time stuff, knows that Kain has killed him and so he doesn't have to play nice. They both know they're antagonistic to each other but that doesn't really stop them from trying to use each other for their own ends. Nosgoth is a world of Chessmasters and really, who would turn down another pawn on the board? It's a really good example of smart antagonism. Just because they're enemies doesn't mean they have to hate each others guts (or let that control their actions.)
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Apr 22, 2016 01:05
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While BO2 was kinda tedious, I always felt SR2 was the worst game of the series and it's the only one I quit playing out of boredom and frustration. This game felt amazing to play for me when it first came out, and even with the flaws it kept me engaged.
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Apr 22, 2016 02:23
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The narration here weirds me out. It's all in past-tense, but it reacts as if events are taking place in the present. I only now noticed it and I find myself wondering if it's been like that the entire series and I never realized it.
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Apr 22, 2016 08:08
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Ironslave posted:The narration here weirds me out. It's all in past-tense, but it reacts as if events are taking place in the present. I only now noticed it and I find myself wondering if it's been like that the entire series and I never realized it. I believe it's been like that the entire series. It reminds me actually, on the topic of narration - it's quite sparce in BO2; Raziel and Kain pretty much provide a running commentary through their games...while in BO2 Kain only really does such a thing during the vampire encounters - the rest is in explict dialogue.
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Apr 22, 2016 17:19
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Pesky Splinter posted:I believe it's been like that the entire series. The narration in the non-BO2 games is one of the best parts about the game. I don't even have to explain anything in this LP, Kain and Raziel do everything for me Speaking of BO2, I recorded more BO2 and I hate myself. I'm sick of this to the point where I'm on the verge of not bothering to clean up the audio. nutri_void fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Apr 22, 2016 |
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Apr 22, 2016 19:21
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"There's some grim satisfaction in infuriating you" is a line I absolutely love. And there are still so many more to come.
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Apr 22, 2016 19:51
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Apr 24, 2016 21:55
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"Malek, the great Sarafan warrior. His sword and shield seemed to have gone astray" Which sword and shield, by the way? Both as a living man and as an animated suit of armor, Malek only used a polearm.
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Apr 24, 2016 23:37
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Well clearly, every knightly knight carried a sword & shield as part of the uniform even if they never used it!
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Apr 24, 2016 23:44
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Something I would definitely change is the scale of the pillars. Sure they extend forever, But I would have them much, much thicker. Like each would be at least the thickness of a city block, to properly communicate their importance to Nosgoth. I've always thought that while the LoK games had excellent writing, their delivery and visual design is lacking slightly. The latter I can greatly forgive because they started when they did, and thus had to work within severe restrictions, but delivery can change and improve over time, and the visual aesthetic has not aged that well, or rather is very telling of it's own age.
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Apr 25, 2016 00:41
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Every moment of Defiance at least the story is so amazing. I LOVE IT SO MUCH!
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Apr 25, 2016 01:21
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I loved the "Vae Victis!" callback when you were comboing some Sarafan Warriors.
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Apr 25, 2016 03:26
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Defiance was made by the original team and they knew it was likely going to be the last Legacy Of Kain game. Thus, they pulled out all the stops and made it AMAZING. The dialogue in particular is great, and the voice actors had genuine fun doing their takes, which they usually did with everyone involved in each dialogue in the same studio. Which doesn't sound special, until you realize that the inverse is still far more common. Seriously, go look up the Outtakes for Defiance, they're great. Oh, and they tied up all the loose ends in the story. I think only one or two plot points are left unresolved and its for good reasons. Pesky Splinter posted:I believe it's been like that the entire series. I believe that one of the games introduced itself as being excerpts of something referred to as "The Dark Chronicle" in-universe. Meaning that we're effectively going through a written account by Kain (and Raziel) of the events, presumably long after they are gone. Otherwise, why the "Legacy" of Kain?
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Apr 25, 2016 03:31
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If they did know this was the last game in the series then it is a proper sendoff I'd say. As much as I want more games in this series I'm ok with this being the final chapter. One of the few games I'd play repeatedly for the story alone. How often can you say you don't get sick of seeing cutscenes in a game. Now if only we can get Blood Omen 1 on Steam or GoG.
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Lunethex posted:Well clearly, every knightly knight carried a sword & shield as part of the uniform even if they never used it!
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