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Parallel Paraplegic posted:i have pictures of butts permanently tied to my google account, and when i get a new picture google displays it in a gallery and if I accidentally swipe left or right whoops now it's a butt read this with my cloud to butt filter on and now i am just lost
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from my experience in the very early 00s (i was only in high school at the time but my dad lectured there so yeah...) my university appeared to (?) give public ips for everything (only a /16 tho) but was already firewalled to gently caress idk i don't really understand networking
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kwinkles posted:read this with my cloud to butt filter on and now i am just lost i keep back-substituting 'skeleton' into 'S J W' for this reason e: lol SA filters S J W into robocop
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vOv posted:e: lol SA filters S J W into robocop 
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Apr 18, 2016 08:32
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anroid sjw lol
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vOv posted:shall i strcmp thee to an md5? ratbert90 posted:Thou art more salted and hashed. yesssssssssss
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Apr 18, 2016 09:36
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lots of people in the italian scene are skeptical of Phineas Fisher's claim of hacking HT. what they don't believe is that someone could exfiltrate that much data (400 GB in a month) in so little time without anyone noticing. 400 GB in a month, though, is far from unrealistic given that in Milan even households have access to symmetric 100/100 Mb/s internet. in fact Phineas Fisher was almost excessively cautious in using only about 1% of their upstream
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Apr 18, 2016 12:28
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la scena italiana *italodisco plays in the background*
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Apr 18, 2016 12:32
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spankmeister posted:anroid sjw lol
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Apr 18, 2016 12:33
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spankmeister posted:la scena italiana *italodisco plays in the background* http://lombrosity.com/
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Apr 18, 2016 12:35
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jony ive aces posted:he's more of a cyborg really roBOTcop
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Apr 18, 2016 13:00
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he prefers "robert"
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spankmeister posted:la scena italiana *italodisco plays in the background* i would watch an italodisco version of Hackers
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Apr 18, 2016 13:49
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoJLINI1uJs
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Apr 18, 2016 13:50
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Ann Roid
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Chris Knight posted:he prefers "robert" ah yes, robertcop
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ErIog posted:This is frighteningly common. they're just ahead of the times. IPv6 is moving everyone to that model anyhow
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more grey forum security advice  Rathlord posted:A couple of people mention the whole "what's the point of having an AV, we're all screwed anyways!" deal and I'm not sure they got a perfect answer for it. Here's what I tell my friends: Rathlord posted:I'm well aware of that, but you've sidestepped my point massively. First, there's plenty of old malware floating around out there, and second heuristic analysis is... extant, if not necessarily effective in the vast majority of cases. The reality is, AV's will save casual users infinitely more than not having one will save them (assuming the same usage). That alone is enough to merit having and using one. The "don't be an idiot and you'll never get a virus" (doesn't particularly matter to the end user whether it's old or not) by-line is all good and well, except even the pretentious asshats who feel the need to say it all the time know it's not true. There's plenty of examples in this very thread that disprove that idea. For casual users (and even to a certain extent power users), a combination of not being a dipshit and using an AV is by far the optimal solution. Neither will work perfectly on their own. The unfortunate reality is that the crappy advice/attitude mentioned in your post (and found smeared well over the internet by presumptuous power users) can have a negative impact on people's lives. If someone is asking if they should have an AV or not, the unequivocal answer is "yes," because if they're not educated enough to know the answer, they need it. I realize you don't quite stand behind the point you're bringing up ("the people who say"), but I believe wholeheartedly that it's worth disproving those people's arguments. Rathlord posted:Some security is always better than no security. While you're right that security theater doesn't help anyone, really, your answer to someone asking you "Should I install an antivirus" is still always "yes." Again, unequivocally. Sure, always try to educate people. Yes, absolutely inform them that AV's aren't panaceas. But for sake of all that's good and holy please don't tell casual users not to use an AV unless you're going to sit down and teach them cyber (lol) security and ensure that they've learned it well enough to rely on that information (and update it) for the rest of their lives. Spoiler: most of the general population isn't going to do this. They should use AVs. Your weird strawman assuming that you can either tell people to never use AVs or tell them that all AVs are magical cure-alls doesn't add to this conversation. Rathlord posted:And you honestly believe that the holes AV's have are more of a risk for a casual user than leaving them open to years worth of malware that not having the AV would leave them vulnerable to? I'd venture a guess that if you're being honest, you don't. Let's not pretend this is some perfect world where we can educate every user. 95% of people with computers do not and will not learn. You're using fringe (if major) issues with AV's to justify leaving end users open to exponentially more vulnerabilities. Rathlord posted:There's an exception to everything in computer security. Glad you see my overall point, though. he got mad and ran off at least
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Apr 18, 2016 17:37
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that guy really likes the word extant
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Apr 18, 2016 17:55
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OSI bean dip posted:more grey forum security advice he never responded about why people need their av to permanently compromise their browser at install time 
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Apr 18, 2016 17:55
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Migishu posted:ah yes, robertcop
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Apr 18, 2016 18:00
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i like windows defender because it's unobtrusive and when we sell windows 10 computers at work to old people, who cannot adopt new security practices, they at least have a little bit of safety net
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Apr 18, 2016 19:00
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is there anything that just setting the computer to automatically install updates won't catch but an AV will? i mean i guess if they intentionally download something stupid but in terms of actual ~viruses~ or exploits or whatever, because it seems like teaching people to respect updates instead of ignoring them as annoying is a more productive use of time than teaching people to respect AV warnings instead of ignoring them.
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Apr 18, 2016 19:08
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like even my 67 year old mom knows not to download something suspicious and that updating poo poo is Important, so the only things I can see her catching are stuff malware delivery networks give out (so I gave her adblock) or something hitching on to one of her facebook flash games since flash is a joke
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Apr 18, 2016 19:10
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notavirus.scr wants to install updates, give it admin rights?
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:like even my 67 year old mom knows not to download something suspicious and that updating poo poo is Important You assume a level of computer competency above and beyond some of our customers, who often trust implicitly what their computer tells them, because it's a computer.
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Apr 18, 2016 19:23
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i got a message saying this from what program umm... internet
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Apr 18, 2016 19:26
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atomicthumbs posted:You assume a level of computer competency above and beyond some of our customers, who often trust implicitly what their computer tells them, because it's a computer. Yeah I get that but if you give them an AV you still have to teach them to use it and to trust what it says and stuff. I'm assuming there's only so much computer knowledge A Grandma can internalize so we have to budget what we teach, and make sure we're teaching stuff that's actually effective.
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Apr 18, 2016 19:27
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Yeah I get that but if you give them an AV you still have to teach them to use it and to trust what it says and stuff or how to email a screenshot just do that instead my next escalation for momputer tech support is another computer with a webcam pointed at the first computer so can see wtf is going on
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my mum hasn't used her laptop in a while and is worried she'll get 0wned in the time it takes it to install updates also wants me to go have a look at it because she's worried she'll click yes on an "update" that isn't i told her she can handle it and will probably be fine. lol
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flakeloaf posted:i got a message saying this this just triggered me remembering my aunt's stupid unending bitchy story she told me at my mom's birthday a month ago, about how this software guy was such a jerk because he said she needed an 11 but she only had an 8, "look that's your problem and it's your software so you gotta put the drat 11 on here i just want to do my job and you're being so unhelpful I want to talk to your supervisor!!!! so then he told me to use some kind of fox? since when did i have a fox on this computer! i don't even like foxes! what the hell!" it was IE 8, if you couldn't guess. the vendor requires 11 and somehow she didn't get upgraded with the rest of the company.
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Give your family Chromebooks whenever possible.
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RZA Encryption posted:Give your family MacBooks whenever possible.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Yeah I get that but if you give them an AV you still have to teach them to use it and to trust what it says and stuff. I'm assuming there's only so much computer knowledge A Grandma can internalize so we have to budget what we teach, and make sure we're teaching stuff that's actually effective. defender just blocks poo poo, runs in the background, and scans automatically.
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Kaal posted:Ah, now the explanation for the sudden change of pace in this thread becomes clear. I'm not going to recommend that the average user just teach themselves to be safer (because lol) and I'm not going to tell them to install fourteen different "community-supported" GitHub projects with half-baked GUIs either. I don't care if Snowden and Assange think that NSA could hack Symantec, that doesn't affect the average user. Most people don't need to encrypt all of their data and disable their radio antennae - they need to stop saving all three of their passwords on their phone's notepad. Debating about the merits of paying for AV or using a free-version versus using the onboard AV is one thing - that's always a worthwhile discussion, and the balance changes (slightly) every few years - arguing that all anti-virus programs are bad is another. lolwhat
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The other end of this scale is the guy who was on his 11th computer because hackers (who he'd traced back to Romania) installed persistent malware in his network equipment and boot sector. A stroke had left him perfectly able to work as an accountant, but somehow made him believe this stuff. One time he came in at the same time as the lady who wanted her laptop's wireless card removed so she wouldn't have an IP address that hackers could use to change the names in her documents (which was a serious crime, she said). That day, I went to hell.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:is there anything that just setting the computer to automatically install updates won't catch but an AV will? i mean i guess if they intentionally download something stupid but in terms of actual ~viruses~ or exploits or whatever, because it seems like teaching people to respect updates instead of ignoring them as annoying is a more productive use of time than teaching people to respect AV warnings instead of ignoring them. yes, tons of poo poo, and the people who advocate no AV are idiots and should not touch large networks of general purpose workstations.
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why would anybody want to touch a network of general purpose workstations unless they're atoning for terrible sins in the first place
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no av on nana's packard bell beige thing, no av on my carefully handbuilt fat alone thank you gaming rig and no av on the endpoints of a domain with a hundred thousand users on it are three very different discussions i tell my users that the av on their workstations is part of a balanced breakfast, like those 80s cereals that had nutritional value if you ate them with food
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Dex posted:why would anybody want to touch a network of general purpose workstations unless they're atoning for terrible sins in the first place someone's gotta scrape the barnacles off the hull, and by barnacles i mean terabytes of music, movies, games, porn and cat pictures
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