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Lowen SoDium posted:Or the Data Hands Keyboard? This looks like about the most "future" thing I have ever seen. There was some small sequences of people typing stuff in that generally terrible Ender's Game movie and it seemed to use a mechanism similar to this. I don't have a gif like that other guy though, sorry. Shame they are so expensive, I'd gladly try it out for 50 bucks, but they were like 20x that much and no longer around. RIP goofy keyboard replacement that probably made your palms all sweaty.
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This is cyberpunk as gently caress and I want it
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Is the idea behind it that you move your fingers in the direction of the letter? Sometime like that would probably require a lot of training, but you'd be able to type really quickly once you'd mastered the movements.
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Lowen SoDium posted:Or the Data Hands Keyboard? I like that it's QWERTY (for the letters, at least). You wouldn't want to do something too weird, after all. That said, it kinda reminds me of the flick-keyboards you can have for Japanese. Those are pretty quick once you figure out where things are.
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DicktheCat posted:Also, someone please help me, because I'm on the edge of thinking that bike is kind of neat. Oh no, I said neat. There's no hope for me guys, just leave me here to wallow in nerdery forever. I think its looks pretty great to be honest. And if that man doesn't make jetfighter noises as he trundles along he is not doing it right.
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DicktheCat posted:I can't even fathom how this works. Combinations of keys for letters like that Twiddler thing? E: yes, it does work like the Twiddler.  I don't see how it would be more ergonomic than a normal keyboard though, and it's not even that compact.
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I feel like starting a huge flamewar, fighting ignorance and defending proper keyboards until the world explodes, but ok, I better calm myself for the sake of the thread.  I used this for a while:  It does provide really good ergonomics, due to the split and the forward sloped-down tilt*, but ultimately it was just too drat annoying to hit key combos such as typing [ (Alt Gr + 8 on my Scandinavian keyboard), plus the keypress feel was just terribly soft and crappy, so I'm on a normal, proper keyboard now (KeyTronic old school beige brick). *Does your keyboard have little stands on the back that can make it tilt towards you? DO NOT USE THEM! Having to bend your wrists even further upwards is terrible for ergonomics. The best is a forward-leaning keyboard, second best is just having it as flat as possible.
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Elliotw2 posted:Anyone that complains about laptop style keyboards should go type on a real chiclet keyboard for a week. Chiclets? loving luxury. My first computer was a ZX81, so I spent a year programming on a membrane keyboard.
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*dried-up noodles fall out of moustache cum nose hair* Heh, keyboards? I used to just wire up my programs in huaglhuaghualghuaghuaghluaaugh
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Pilsner posted:
 For a rubber dome keyboard, the MS Natural 4k is pretty good, and the great ergonomics make up for it. You can't really blame the keyboard for poo poo like AltGr-8 to get a [, awkward key combos are just as bad on a straight keyboard because the scandinavian key layout is awful for coding purposes. That said it's not without its flaws. Rubber dome keys. It's extremely wide, so your mouse ends up in an unergonomic position. The extra function keys serve no purpose (except the calculator key which is brilliant), and the zoom jog must be the most useless thing ever put on a keyboard. It rests on just six small rubber feet, which eventually lose their stickiness and cause the keyboard to start sliding around on the desk. The Sculpt was unfortunately one step forward and two steps back. While the keys are arguably better, the ergos of Sculpt aren't as good as the 4k, they hosed up the arrow keys and Insert block, and the function keys are atrocious. If I were to dream up the perfect keyboard, it would be a MS Natural 4k but wireless, with high quality mechanical keys and the numeric keypad lopped off to a separate unit. Remove the dumb zoom jog and replace it with a trackpoint nub. Also give it larger, more durable rubber feet. end
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The IBM Model M remains my keyboard of choice. Great to type on if you like to pound the keys like I do, but I have to say, its reputation for being indestructible is overstated. I killed one with some pear juice.
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Also don't get a Model M if you work in an open office unless you want your coworkers to hate you.
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Its true, but Ive never met a genuinely quiet keyboard I liked. Anything without a membrane makes a pretty good racket when the keys bottom out. But here again the Model M shows its value: bring it to the office so your coworkers cant complain when you accede to their demands and replace it with a mechanical keyboard thats not quite as loud.
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Collateral Damage posted:Also don't get a Model M if you work in an open office unless you want your coworkers to hate you. I was team lead over a bunch of contractors with no rights, so it didn't matter if they hated me. Flash forward 4 years I'm a IT contractor and self preservation forced me into aa much quieter keyboard.
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Platystemon posted:Its true, but Ive never met a genuinely quiet keyboard I liked. Anything without a membrane makes a pretty good racket when the keys bottom out. The worst thing about typing on a membrane keyboard is that it teaches you to bottom out the keys all the time. Typing properly on a keyboard with non-clicky switches is pretty quiet.
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My wrists are fine but my neck really hurts, do you guys have any tips for that
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Phlegmish posted:My wrists are fine but my neck really hurts, do you guys have any tips for that 
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Collateral Damage posted:Assuming the buttons aren't directional, those 6 buttons can potentially give you 63 different characters. Well, 62 since pressing all six buttons is probably tricky what with most people only having five fingers. They look directional, though - each fingertip has four directions plus down, so 50 raw inputs. If a couple of those are modifiers it shouldn't be too bad?
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Anyone remember handheld document copiers? My godfather was a giant useless gadget fan and I remember he had one in the 80s, don't remember whether it was Xerox or not (probably). Was a little brick about 5"x4"x1", you'd stick the narrow face against a page and drag it slowly across the page and it would spit out a 4" wide strip of thermal paper with the copied image on it. I could see that being actually really useful for certain people, but it's the only time I ever saw one.
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Jedit posted:Chiclets? loving luxury. My first computer was a ZX81, so I spent a year programming on a membrane keyboard. I had a ZX80 with the 8K BASIC extension, which made you put the ZX81 membrane on top of the original one as an overlay. Uphill both ways in the snow etc.
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Phanatic posted:Anyone remember handheld document copiers? My godfather was a giant useless gadget fan and I remember he had one in the 80s, don't remember whether it was Xerox or not (probably). Was a little brick about 5"x4"x1", you'd stick the narrow face against a page and drag it slowly across the page and it would spit out a 4" wide strip of thermal paper with the copied image on it. I never saw a copier, but I remember handheld document scanners. worked pretty much like you described, but it scanned to image on a pc. They were pretty lovely.
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Phanatic posted:Anyone remember handheld document copiers? My godfather was a giant useless gadget fan and I remember he had one in the 80s, don't remember whether it was Xerox or not (probably). Was a little brick about 5"x4"x1", you'd stick the narrow face against a page and drag it slowly across the page and it would spit out a 4" wide strip of thermal paper with the copied image on it. I am sure I recall that the original one was about 3" strips and required you to pull the paper out at the same pace as you moved the scanner across the document, but in a different direction.
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spog posted:I am sure I recall that the original one was about 3" strips and required you to pull the paper out at the same pace as you moved the scanner across the document, but in a different direction. I imagine the salesman when these first came out just saying something like, "... sure, so what you're gonna do is you hold the CopyWandŽ in your hand and just hold the paper you're copying with your other hand as you pull the CopyWandŽ across. Then with your other other hand you pull the copy out like this..." 
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Collateral Damage posted:
Speaking of obsolete tech, I'm typing this post right now on the update of the original PS2 MS Natural:  The only downside is with the messed up cursor keys but I got used to it after 16 years. Otherwise it keeps working fine (and feels pretty good for a rubber dome system) so I never get the motivation to shell out a Grant or two for a new keyboard.
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Jedit posted:Chiclets? loving luxury. My first computer was a ZX81, so I spent a year programming on a membrane keyboard.  ... actually I'm too young to have ever used punched cards, I'm just a dork who spent some time studying the history of input methods and storage.
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Magnus Praeda posted:I imagine the salesman when these first came out just saying something like, "... sure, so what you're gonna do is you hold the CopyWandŽ in your hand and just hold the paper you're copying with your other hand as you pull the CopyWandŽ across. Then with your other other hand you pull the copy out like this..." Surely you just grab the paper and press your hand to the desk? When you drag the scanner down with the other hand the paper is drawn out at exactly the same speed.
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Mom my said she was really interest in computer science when she went to Cornell in the 70s, but lost interest after punching cards and having to walk to a separate building about 10 minutes away to compile them. She said she dropped a huge stack of cards in the snow on the way over and gave it up after that.
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Pokey Araya posted:Mom my said she was really interest in computer science when she went to Cornell in the 70s, but lost interest after punching cards and having to walk to a separate building about 10 minutes away to compile them. She said she dropped a huge stack of cards in the snow on the way over and gave it up after that. I took classes in computer programming in the mid 80s (COBOL74, BASIC, & RPG) and we used punch cards in one class. The computer room had its own Halon fire extinguisher system. It went off by accident one day and thousands of cards got sucked up in the whirlwind.
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I had one of those handheld scanners. I used it to make copies of the game cards that White Dwarf came with every month because in the 90s, warhammer had so many cards. It was annoying and awkward, but it meant i could avoid cutting up magazines. Then I got a proper scanner and then they moved to 3rd and stopped using the cards. I wonder if there is any other outdated tech that will come back, like vinyl. It is still a collectors market, but hearing someone buys records these days isn't seen as being very odd. Cassettes are kinda back too because tapes are way cheaper and easier to find players for them. I can't see VHS coming back, outside of some stuff that never got dvd releases, it is inferior in ever single way. Maybe actual film? But again, its difficult to use and haha finding a projector.
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VHS is still vastly superior to store-bought DVDs (and maybe Bluerays I don't know?) because you can fast-forward through the copyright law infringemgements thingie.
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Pokey Araya posted:Mom my said she was really interest in computer science when she went to Cornell in the 70s, but lost interest after punching cards and having to walk to a separate building about 10 minutes away to compile them. She said she dropped a huge stack of cards in the snow on the way over and gave it up after that. Your mother was a loving idiot for not using a rather simple invention called a bag.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Your mother was a loving idiot for not using a rather simple invention called a bag. Real pros used a rubber band 
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Jerry Cotton posted:VHS is still vastly superior to store-bought DVDs (and maybe Bluerays I don't know?) because you can fast-forward through the copyright law infringemgements thingie. I hear that if you just buy a cheaper, no-name brand player, they don't honor the "you can't skip this" flag.
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I'd lose interest too, have you seen the video games of that era? They look like poo poo, don't know what the developers were thinking. I don't think they even had Steam back then.
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Buttcoin purse posted:I hear that if you just buy a cheaper, no-name brand player, they don't honor the "you can't skip this" flag.
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The only thing I never want to skip before a movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1NKoMNy5bY
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Krispy Kareem posted:Honestly the keyboards aren't the problem. It's how Macs default on poo poo like HOME and END. Hit END and you don't go to the end of the line, you go to the bottom the document. Not your cursor, just your view. I just really hate the feeling of sliding your hands across really flat smooth keys and the feeling of flat keys getting pressed. The second one is probably just because I've been using standard keyboard forever and am just not used to it but something about it really irks me.
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Wasabi the J posted:The only thing I never want to skip before a movie Wow that was cool. In the earlier days of :files: I used to enjoy when the uploader didn't bother taking the advertisement segments out - being from another country it was interesting seeing what was advertised in the USA.
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Wasabi the J posted:The only thing I never want to skip before a movie In case anyone is interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqzihgR_-SI (Don't know if the embedding is working.) RoyKeen has a new favorite as of 13:33 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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