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Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

oh are we posting widely used open source packages whose source code is bad now

https://github.com/Distrotech/procmail/blob/master/src/procmail.c

(alright, I'm cheating a bit. Procmail hasn't been relevant for about ten years)

# ? Apr 15, 2016 19:39

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# ? May 14, 2024 03:53

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

Mr Dog posted:

oh are we posting widely used open source packages whose source code is bad now

https://github.com/Distrotech/procmail/blob/master/src/procmail.c

(alright, I'm cheating a bit. Procmail hasn't been relevant for about ten years)

whats in goodies.h

# ? Apr 15, 2016 19:58

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

no we're posting code that is unironically good & does exactly what it needs to despite violating arbitrary style "wisdom"

procmail is not such code

# ? Apr 15, 2016 20:00

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

Globals should be grouped at the top of the file yeah but lol @ an embedded guy getting squeamish about state machines and global variables

# ? Apr 15, 2016 20:01

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

what the gently caress is ;{

# ? Apr 15, 2016 20:02

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

Mr Dog posted:

Globals should be grouped at the top of the file yeah but lol @ an embedded guy getting squeamish about state machines and global variables

I'm not squeamish about state machines or globals. :psyduck:

The state machine in that instance is over-complicated and sucks.

# ? Apr 15, 2016 20:02

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

atomicthumbs posted:

just switch to Mach, god

absolutely, it's better

# ? Apr 15, 2016 20:34

There Will Be Penalty: May 18, 2002; Makes a great pet!

Gazpacho posted:

what the gently caress is ;{

lol

# ? Apr 16, 2016 04:19

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

C code:

#if DEFverbose
	verboff();verbon();
#else
	verbon();verboff();
#endif

# ? Apr 16, 2016 05:21

Breakfast All Day: Oct 21, 2004

Gazpacho posted:

C code:

#if DEFverbose
	verboff();verbon();
#else
	verbon();verboff();
#endif

have you tried turning it off and back on again

# ? Apr 16, 2016 06:46

nosl: Jan 17, 2015; CHIM, bitch!

eschaton posted:

absolutely, it's better

I don't see why you wouldn't use a combination of hurd and mach to handle your entire workload

# ? Apr 16, 2016 08:11

James Baud: May 24, 2015; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

So I thought by changing to KDE and never using GNOME apps I'd be safe from GNOME stupidity, unfortunately I was wrong.

It seems a recent-ish GTK update on my main system has made the file chooser (which I have to use in certain surviving GTK apps) stupider.

They removed the perfectly usable typeahead autocomplete and replaced it with a "user friendly" typeahead recursive search which doesn't do what you would expect in the clearly unheard of and unanticipated multiple match case.

Who would want to get to ~/src/ by typing "src" from the home folder, with or without a trailing slash, anyway?

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748672 is surprisingly flame free, possibly because so few users are left / run anything vaguely recent. Unless there's a separate "whine" bug elsewhere...

# ? Apr 19, 2016 19:32

James Baud: May 24, 2015; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Further examination reveals some meltdowns over the same change in Nautilus a couple years back, with Ubuntu going so far as eventually reverting the change outright at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1164016

# ? Apr 19, 2016 19:53

There Will Be Penalty: May 18, 2002; Makes a great pet!

Clearly <script>document.write(new Date().getFullYear());</script> will be the year Linux finally takes over the desktop.

# ? Apr 19, 2016 22:10

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

James Baud posted:

So I thought by changing to KDE and never using GNOME apps I'd be safe from GNOME stupidity, unfortunately I was wrong.

It seems a recent-ish GTK update on my main system has made the file chooser (which I have to use in certain surviving GTK apps) stupider.

They removed the perfectly usable typeahead autocomplete and replaced it with a "user friendly" typeahead recursive search which doesn't do what you would expect in the clearly unheard of and unanticipated multiple match case.

Who would want to get to ~/src/ by typing "src" from the home folder, with or without a trailing slash, anyway?

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748672 is surprisingly flame free, possibly because so few users are left / run anything vaguely recent. Unless there's a separate "whine" bug elsewhere...

has gtk ever had a good file chooser in any version? i remember it being a thing people complained about when i first got into linux all thoseyears ago

# ? Apr 20, 2016 00:15

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

gnome's file picker has always sucked

windows got it perfect

# ? Apr 20, 2016 11:20

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

Why on earth are you using a file browser that isn't the CLI in Linux? :psyduck:

# ? Apr 20, 2016 12:51

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

ratbert90 posted:

Why on earth are you using a file browser that isn't the CLI

This goes for everything now that bash is on mirkosoft

# ? Apr 20, 2016 13:12

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

ratbert90 posted:

Why on earth are you using a file browser that isn't the CLI in Linux?

does mc count?

# ? Apr 20, 2016 13:19

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

ratbert90 posted:

Why on earth are you using a file browser that isn't the CLI in Linux?

i like seeing the tree view

# ? Apr 20, 2016 13:22

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

fileman.exe

# ? Apr 20, 2016 13:23

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

too good for tree?

# ? Apr 20, 2016 13:23

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

prefect posted:

i like seeing the tree view

You know how to spell tree. :colbert:

# ? Apr 20, 2016 14:54

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

ratbert90 posted:

You know how to spell tree.

you can't navigate in that thing

# ? Apr 20, 2016 15:08

b0red: Apr 3, 2013

midnight commander.

there is a bespoken terminal application for everything. praise ncurses.

# ? Apr 20, 2016 16:08

atomicthumbs: Dec 26, 2010; We're in the business of extending man's senses.

Except no aptitude equivalent for rpm

# ? Apr 20, 2016 18:11

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

b0red posted:

there is a bespoken terminal application for everything. praise ncurses.

tig is good

t.i.g.

# ? Apr 20, 2016 18:22

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

thr gnome file pikcer is insane and lists things in crazy orders no matter what. i dont understand how to work it, and its always hosed up. sort by last modified, the lkast modified folder is like half way down. not sure why. i dont get it. anyways, whatever

# ? Apr 20, 2016 18:30

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

because last modified date doesn't work for folders.

mtime on directories is limited to permission changes basically.

# ? Apr 20, 2016 18:43

atomicthumbs: Dec 26, 2010; We're in the business of extending man's senses.

works on Windows. Ntfs must be a superior file system

# ? Apr 20, 2016 18:50

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

ratbert90 posted:

Why on earth are you using a file browser that isn't the CLI in Linux?

dired is good

# ? Apr 20, 2016 20:22

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

http://bus1.org/

I still want to know wtf is going on here and why they're writing their own bootloader and service manager. I'm guessing (i.e. desperately hoping) that this is a "reference implementation" type deal so that people don't bring up any systemd political bullshit.

# ? Apr 20, 2016 20:39

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

Mr Dog posted:

http://bus1.org/

I still want to know wtf is going on here and why they're writing their own bootloader and service manager. I'm guessing (i.e. desperately hoping) that this is a "reference implementation" type deal so that people don't bring up any systemd political bullshit.

idk what the gently caress that is because apparently "putting a thing on your website that says what the gently caress your project is for" is beneath these people

# ? Apr 20, 2016 20:49

Lysidas: Jul 26, 2002; John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.; Pillbug

lol the organization description of https://github.com/bus1 is

quote:

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. ⌒�(❛ᴗ❛)�⌒

# ? Apr 20, 2016 21:35

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Suspicious Dish posted:

because last modified date doesn't work for folders.

mtime on directories is limited to permission changes basically.

it's the time the contents of the directory were changed. when something was added or removed

# ? Apr 20, 2016 23:31

The_Franz: Aug 8, 2003

Mr Dog posted:

http://bus1.org/

I still want to know wtf is going on here and why they're writing their own bootloader and service manager. I'm guessing (i.e. desperately hoping) that this is a "reference implementation" type deal so that people don't bring up any systemd political bullshit.

the bits that were there a couple of months ago made it seem like this was just the next take on kernel-space ipc, but from the dmesg samples and bits about the administrator module running as pid1 it seems like this is meant to replace systemd?

i can understand why they are being vague on the site for now to keep the bike-shedding peanut gallery away though.

# ? Apr 21, 2016 03:16

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

No. It's meant to be a real test of the IPC system to try writing a systemd lite on top of it. If it goes well, the concepts would be applied to systemd.

It is not meant to replace systemd.

# ? Apr 21, 2016 04:56

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

Suspicious Dish posted:

No. It's meant to be a real test of the IPC system to try writing a systemd lite on top of it. If it goes well, the concepts would be applied to systemd.

It is not meant to replace systemd.

Be nice if there was a paragraph somewhere that made all this clear.

But yeah I kinda inferred that the systemd-lite they wrote is a proof of concept and/or a reference implementation of a complete userland for this thing. Doubtless some third party will build it out to be an actual service manager later on.

# ? Apr 21, 2016 05:08

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

considering what happens when the systemd crew says anything i dont blame them for not saying anything

# ? Apr 21, 2016 06:06

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# ? May 14, 2024 03:53

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

also i should probably stop talking in this thread because i think at this point im officially done with linux and desktops and linux desktops

# ? Apr 21, 2016 06:10

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