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El Tortuga posted:I'm sorry the creators of Breaking Bad don't write for PPG, but it seems like this children's cartoon is being held to impossibly high standards. Not really? You can have a remake be new, different and still good. The original had a more frantic energy, and a really clear idea of what it was. I don't think the standards are impossibly high, but the complaints about it aren't without merit. I mean, we're on our third incarnation of Ninja Turtles. The second one from earlier in the 2000's went to crap but it took a while to get there and was pretty fun. The new one had some rough parts in the middle, but has been pretty consistent with the writing and tone. They're both vastly different from the first one. (Even the small movie they did between the Original and the 00's one where they turtles meet and team up was fun.) Some of the Scooby Doo's have been more enjoyable than others, depending on the writing. The quality of Batman cartoons generally go up and down too, most people didn't like The Batman, or Beware the Bat, which tended to go after the similar kind of batman that Timm's series did, but in general people really enjoyed Brave and the Bold which is as quirky Silver Age as you can get. Something can get re-done, and with a good quality of writing, people won't complain. The old will always be compared to the new, so it either has to carve out it's own thing, or be really concise with it's own voice and tone.
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Don't wanna necro the Gravity Falls thread for this, but Neil Cicierega posted a song he recorded for Weirdmageddon that went unused. http://neilblr.com/post/142982667678 It's pretty good.
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PicklePants posted:Some of the Scooby Doo's have been more enjoyable than others, depending on the writing. Also, watching Mystery Inc., it really gives me a Gravity Falls vibe, with the kids hunting for mysteries, the sheriff being stupid and useless, the episodic plots inserted into a greater plot, etc. I'm guessing it was easier for Disney to pick up Gravity Falls when the concept had already been proved.
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Mojo Jojo no longer talks fast and repeats himself
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Mojo Jojo no longer talks fast and repeats himself I take back any defense I had made of the new series.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Mojo Jojo no longer talks fast and repeats himself Blasphemy. Heresy. Crime of all crimes.
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Also the animation has so many blatant and obvious errors it's not even funny.
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Pakled posted:Don't wanna necro the Gravity Falls thread for this, but Neil Cicierega posted a song he recorded for Weirdmageddon that went unused. Depends on if goons still irrationally hate him based on a helldump thread he trolled his way through ten years ago.
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:Also the animation has so many blatant and obvious errors it's not even funny. please show them off.
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raditts posted:Depends on if goons still irrationally hate him based on a helldump thread he trolled his way through ten years ago. Neil is still a bit weird, but it's a god drat shame that Bill never got a proper Disney villian song.
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Xelkelvos posted:please show them off. watch the leash 
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Please... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EioTwSMS0-k
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Xelkelvos posted:please show them off. Here's a couple from what I guess is the newest episode. I haven't been watched the reboot at all because I know it wouldn't appeal to me, but I'm pretty impressed with the number of animation errors I keep seeing people share. Really feels like a classic cartoon. The Professor's date's linework clips through the doorway as she leaves https://a.pomf.cat/mnduni.webm The cloud layer rotates 90 degrees as the building is destroyed, and the color overlay keeps abruptly disappearing and reappearing https://a.pomf.cat/dtttfm.webm Buttercup is animated speaking with Blossom's voice, and Blossom's hair is missing https://a.pomf.cat/ravfgl.webm Gruckles fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Apr 22, 2016 |
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Basically there are many reasons to dislike the reboot and a good chunk of them have nothing to do with it tumblr at all.
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X_Toad posted:Mystery Inc. is apparently a classic, which ones are the good ones beside this one? Mystery Inc is undoubtedly the best you're going to get so far. Some of the early from late 90's are good (Zombie Island and Witches Ghost) they kind of start going down hill after that, when you start getting one a year. The WWE one and the KISS ones are terrible, the KISS one feels like a horrible fever dream, where KISS are super hero aliens with actual magical/hero powers, and they fly around between dimensions of a guitar spaceship. I have a great fondness for Ghoul School, and Boo Brothers, from the older style. I also love 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo. You get Vincent Price doing the voice of Vincent Van Ghoul, which is awesome, even though you get Scrappy, who got toned down if I remember correctly, but they added in Flim Flam. Scooby unlocks a box of deadly ghosts held in Vincent Van Ghoul's possession, and must go on a hunt with Daphne to catch them. It breaks the traditional mold of Scooby. Real Ghosts. End of the world stuff. It was a nice shake up.
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My favorite Scooby Doo series are A Pup Named Scooby Doo and Mystery Inc. Also I liked the WWE one, it didn't take itself seriously. The Live Action CN Made for TV films are better than the big budget live action movies, in my opinion, but the CGI for Scooby is awful, so it balances out. The rest of the specials are on a hit or miss basis. I loved the opening for Frankencreepy, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCYsE_Xaw
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PicklePants posted:Mystery Inc is undoubtedly the best you're going to get so far. 2014's Frankencreepy was a pretty good DTV, I saw it once on Cartoon Network on like a Sunday morning and it wasn't quite like Mystery Inc. but seemed to have a lot of the same charm.
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PicklePants posted:Mystery Inc is undoubtedly the best you're going to get so far. You forgot about Reluctant Werewolf, how could forget to mention that one?
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Gruckles posted:The Professor's date's linework clips through the doorway as she leaves You must have way better eyes than me, since I looked at that video a few times now and I can't find any clipping. In fact they specifically animated how she moves her left hand around the door.
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Air is lava! posted:You must have way better eyes than me, since I looked at that video a few times now and I can't find any clipping. In fact they specifically animated how she moves her left hand around the door. You're looking at the wrong side, right before the door closes and she disappears her lines are on the blue doorframe. Admittedly it's really brief.
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Air is lava! posted:You must have way better eyes than me, since I looked at that video a few times now and I can't find any clipping. In fact they specifically animated how she moves her left hand around the door. It took forever for me to notice it as well until I slowed it down. It's not the door she clips through, but the doorframe, and it's actually pretty bad after finally seeing it. That being said it goes by really fast
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Gruckles posted:Here's a couple from what I guess is the newest episode. I haven't been watched the reboot at all because I know it wouldn't appeal to me, but I'm pretty impressed with the number of animation errors I keep seeing people share. Really feels like a classic cartoon. Jeez, some of these errors are really blatant. Everything about this show feels so low-effort and cheaply made, much more so than any of the other stuff coming out of CN Studios. Were they in a rush to blaze through production and get it on the air?
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Senerio posted:A Pup Named Scooby Doo I'm rather sad there wasn't a Red Herring reference in Mystery Inc. Maybe to see Mystery Inc Fred go full tinfoil over Red who's trying to turn his life around and doesn't even live in the same state as them anymore. Crazy innawoods full-bearded Freddy calling Red in the middle of the night to tell him he knows what he did would be best.
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MrSlam posted:I'm rather sad there wasn't a Red Herring reference in Mystery Inc. Maybe to see Mystery Inc Fred go full tinfoil over Red who's trying to turn his life around and doesn't even live in the same state as them anymore. Crazy innawoods full-bearded Freddy calling Red in the middle of the night to tell him he knows what he did would be best. Technically Red Herring has a background cameo in one episode, but it is a shame that he didn't get a proper appearance, similarly how we didn't get any references to the Red Shirt Shaggy era outside of Vincent Van Ghoul Also considering how popular Monster High is, kinda surprising that they haven't tried to do a modern version of Ghoul School
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I really wanted to like the original Ghoul School, because how can you go wrong with a concept like "Scooby and Shaggy teach PE to children of famous monsters" but the truth is the animation is too cheap and the bloody puns are too many to actually enjoy it.
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The main thing that annoys me with the new PPF is just every episode ending with a forced lesson and almost every elusive ending with the girls apologizing. It would feel lame at the best of times but having it against TTG, which pretty aggressively pushes the opposite, that element just seems like an unnecessary relic that wasn't even present as strongly in the original to begin with.
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drrockso20 posted:Technically Red Herring has a background cameo in one episode, but it is a shame that he didn't get a proper appearance, similarly how we didn't get any references to the Red Shirt Shaggy era outside of Vincent Van Ghoul They did a quick opening gag about Flim Flam and Scrappy, but nothing from the Reluctant Werewolf, Boo Brothers, or Ghoul School. Again, Sadie Mae Scroggins would've made for a great character as Shaggy's insane yandere ex-girlfriend (who he never dated). Sad wasted potential. But as for Ghoul School, there's enough art of a potential series for it floating around on 4chan, particularly of Phantasma, and particularly around Halloween on /co/. With all the mega-corporations out there it wouldn't surprise me if Ghoul School and Monster High are owned by the same company. Also, there's a cute new Mickey Short out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDhdMF0qZI8
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mycot posted:You're looking at the wrong side, right before the door closes and she disappears her lines are on the blue doorframe. Admittedly it's really brief. It's so blatantly bad that it feels like it had to somehow be intentional. 
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HorseRenoir posted:Jeez, some of these errors are really blatant. Everything about this show feels so low-effort and cheaply made, much more so than any of the other stuff coming out of CN Studios. Were they in a rush to blaze through production and get it on the air? That's the only reason I can give. Whoever was supposed to check and/or fix the cuts didn't and just sent it forward.
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Here I thought that they were just going for a certain aesthetic that didn't work at all, I didn't think of how incompetence might factor into things. A Pup Named Scooby Doo was probably the series that had the most fun with things before Mystery Inc came along, and if you want to see what made Scooby Doo stick in people's minds, there's the New Scooby Movies (neither new, nor movies), although if you don't care for 70s cameos and old Hannah Barbara, you might as well not bother. What's New Scooby Doo was okay too. It basically took the lead that the "monsters are real" movies had and ran with it. It was probably the most mystery-focused of all the Scooby Doo series, with proper red herrings and actual clues. There was an entire period where Shaggy and Scooby ditched the rest of the gang along with the whole premise of mysteries and just dealt with movie monsters and the supernatural, and people tend to look badly upon that for whatever reason. I never really saw what was so bad about Scrappy Doo, but they also generally didn't air reruns of that period of Scooby Doo when I was a kid, so I never really watched much of it. Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island was actually were a nice segue out of that period. They show what the rest of the gang was up to during that time, Velma's bookstore and Daphne's talk show, and presumably Shaggy's girlfriend dumped him for never being able to hold down a job. Great animation too. I love going through the history of Scooby Doo, because it ends up being so stupidly complex for such a simple concept being rehashed again and again. I'm kind of getting excited for that Hannah Barbara cinematic universe, since there's so much dumb lore to mine.
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MrSlam posted:They did a quick opening gag about Flim Flam and Scrappy, but nothing from the Reluctant Werewolf, Boo Brothers, or Ghoul School. Again, Sadie Mae Scroggins would've made for a great character as Shaggy's insane yandere ex-girlfriend (who he never dated). Sad wasted potential. But as for Ghoul School, there's enough art of a potential series for it floating around on 4chan, particularly of Phantasma, and particularly around Halloween on /co/. With all the mega-corporations out there it wouldn't surprise me if Ghoul School and Monster High are owned by the same company. Yeah I'm aware of how much /co/ loves Ghoul School(I spend a lot of time on that board), one of the regulars in those threads, fella by the name of Toonspew is actually working on a serious pitch for a Ghoul School reboot, complete with a Series Bible and communicating with people who worked on the original movie for both feedback and information about how the original came together in the first place I'll admit I've fiddled with some ideas of my own on the subject, although mine is just for fun, and is a lot more Toyetic in nature, as one of the constraints I gave myself was it had to center around a hypothetical toyline to sell to kids
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I've never been a big fan of a Pup Named Scooby Doo. It's okay? I guess? I didn't really like how they kind of ramped up stuff, and their negative personality traits became their only ones. Velma rarely talked, Daphne was rich, ect. Ect. It was a pretty 90's TV show, with the De-Aging of characters, and then ramping up their personalities (Flintstone Kids, Ton and Jerry Kids) all kind following the trend of the more successful Muppet Babies and Tiny Toons. It was kind of loud and obnoxious for me, I did like the Red Herring gag, though. I did forget The Reluctant Werewolf! The Venture Brothers also had a good interpretation of the Scooby gang, too. God drat, those Mickey Shorts are creative and beautiful, especially for using flash. It just goes to show you what COULD be done with it.
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PicklePants posted:God drat, those Mickey Shorts are creative and beautiful, especially for using flash. It just goes to show you what COULD be done with it. Actually Mercury Filmworks (the animation studio that does the Mickey Shorts and a lot of other modern Disney shows) uses ToonBoom, though given that A: Roughly half of the crappy looking "flash" cartoons are actually made in ToonBoom and B: I'm pretty sure that a good chunk of the "non-flash" cartoons do use flash, but just draw things frame by frame like cel animation instead of the techniques used by both crappy "flash" cartoons and Mercury Filmworks's output, your point still stands.
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PicklePants posted:The Venture Brothers also had a good interpretation of the Scooby gang, too. I didn't like them until I found out they were all lovingly researched references to famous criminals, not just Son of Sam. I pretty much describe Venture Bros humor as basically making really smart references and doing incredibly stupid poo poo with them, like this season they somehow combined Andy Warhol with the Superfriends Hall of Doom and had an episode where a weird-rear end 80s-as-poo poo Duran Duran music video was considered a thing that actually happened historically.
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:Actually Mercury Filmworks (the animation studio that does the Mickey Shorts and a lot of other modern Disney shows) uses ToonBoom, though given that A: Roughly half of the crappy looking "flash" cartoons are actually made in ToonBoom and B: I'm pretty sure that a good chunk of the "non-flash" cartoons do use flash, but just draw things frame by frame like cel animation instead of the techniques used by both crappy "flash" cartoons and Mercury Filmworks's output, your point still stands. You're right. I should have known that, it's just easier (and lazier) to label the flat, non-shaded, non-hand drawn stuff as, "Flash." Looking at the ToonBoom site, it's amazing the wide variety of stuff they have on there, most of the difference seems to be how much they let the program do for them, and how much they still draw in. Even then, it's not the program's fault, but those doing the production as to what they do and how much they can do with the budgets and time they have.
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paradoxGentleman posted:I really wanted to like the original Ghoul School, because how can you go wrong with a concept like "Scooby and Shaggy teach PE to children of famous monsters" but the truth is the animation is too cheap and the bloody puns are too many to actually enjoy it. Yeah, I actually thought Ghoul School was made in the late 70s-1981 going by the animation quality, designs, and schlocky H-B scripting, but it was like, 1989 or something.
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PicklePants posted:You're right. I should have known that, it's just easier (and lazier) to label the flat, non-shaded, non-hand drawn stuff as, "Flash." Honestly the main difference is whether or not it has the look of vector, and if they're using symbols/puppets to animate most of it. In the hands of a production designer interested in making it not look like that, it's completely possible to use any software to achieve a good-looking product. Ping-pong: The Animation was done in Flash, but it uses none of the same production methods as a lot of what people associate with the style of Flash/ToonBoom programs.
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Steven Universe returns May 12 for In Too Deep, a four week event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxfgKw030Ak
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Waffleman_ posted:Steven Universe returns May 12 for In Too Deep, a four week event. Who is giving out those avatars, Im seeing them everywhere also im sad that Eustace is dead, what about Muriel? Hihohe fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Apr 23, 2016 |
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