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kaschei posted:##vote khris khruel On a scale of 1-10 how confident are you in this vote?
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I'm for voting Kash right now, posted even less content than me, showed up with an empty vote on KK, the only reason KK got heat D1 was from a posting gimmick that he dropped. ##vote Kash
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Apr 24, 2016 22:05
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Also regarding the MMT Ecco slap fight I lean slightly more towards Ecco, but it's mostly a gut feeling. I don't feel strongly enough either way to vote yet.
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Apr 24, 2016 22:25
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Votecount for Day 2  Murmur Twin (2): EccoRaven, CapitalistPig kaschei (1): garthoneeye Khris Kruel (1): kaschei EccoRaven (1): Murmur Twin Not Voting (6): Absurd Revolver, CCKeane, Khris Kruel, Kumbamontu, SirSamVimes, tpink
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Apr 25, 2016 00:01
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I'm still null-lean-scum on CPig and Ecco but for the sake of not tunneling on the same two people all game, Garth is pinging me slightly.garthoneeye posted:This makes no sense to me in a mason doc that has more than 2 members and little sense in one that has 2. The explanation there feels weird - like I feel like town Garth would have just thrown a vote out, but scum Garth would have felt the need to justify it to make sure it looks town. I acknowledge that it's mostly a gut read. garthoneeye posted:I'm for voting Kash right now, posted even less content than me, showed up with an empty vote on KK, the only reason KK got heat D1 was from a posting gimmick that he dropped. Let's say Kaschei is scum - why drop a contentless vote on someone at all?
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Apr 25, 2016 00:11
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Murmur Twin posted:On a scale of 1-10 how confident are you in this vote? but like a 4 down to a 3 after keane said something about infinitum in the mason doc
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Apr 25, 2016 00:23
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I shall brave the dark waters of omgus ##vote garthoneeye
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Apr 25, 2016 00:23
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kaschei posted:but like a 4 down to a 3 after keane said something about infinitum in the mason doc I'm super confused here - I thought the masondoc was Kumba and Keane? All the masonchat that I've seen happened on D1, and you put your vote on KK on D2 - what was the logic there, and what about the mason doc affected your opinion?
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Apr 25, 2016 00:38
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Murmur Twin posted:I'm super confused here - I thought the masondoc was Kumba and Keane? keane said infinitum talked about KK and not garthoneeye in the mason doc. I am not in the mason doc. find the post if you want
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Apr 25, 2016 00:41
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kk and infinitum got into an argument over not-alignment and I read it as fake pressure between scum
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Apr 25, 2016 00:42
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Murmur Twin posted:I'm still null-lean-scum on CPig and Ecco but for the sake of not tunneling on the same two people all game, Garth is pinging me slightly. Honestly, I was trying to figure out what the gently caress Infinitum's gambit could possibly be. I couldn't understand at all what it was supposed to accomplish or how it was supposed to work. Especially, since if one of them was scum they would be in the ScumDoc.
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Apr 25, 2016 01:34
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Murmur Twin posted:
Don't know. I'm bad at Mafia, so I'm just voting who I currently find most suspicious and giving what little reasons I have.
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Apr 25, 2016 01:36
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Also, I'm trying to be better at not being a lovely lurker all the time.
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Apr 25, 2016 01:37
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I'm not getting a scum read on garth based on any of this. I think to date frankly we have not had enough info for strong cases on anyone.
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Apr 25, 2016 01:48
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tpink posted:I'm not getting a scum read on garth based on any of this. I think to date frankly we have not had enough info for strong cases on anyone. is there anyone on whom you have even a scum lean? you're coming off as really wishy washy right now.
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Apr 25, 2016 01:52
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SirSamVimes posted:Well that crept up on us quickly. SirSamVimes posted:Who's gonna be around for deadline? SirSamVimes posted:Why are you arguing against an Ecco hang when you yourself said she pings your scumdar? So these are all of SirSamVime's content. Two posts about the deadline, and the last quote, which is what I find the most damning in light of Infinitum being scum. The context of that post is that Infinitum and I we arguing about Ecco being scum and I was saying I'm not voting anyone that was contributing. SSV posts to indirectly agree with Infinitum and indirectly try to push Ecco for a lynch, while also confronting me and setting up finding me scummy...which is what Infinitum was doing. ##vote SirSamVimes
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Apr 25, 2016 02:10
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Infinitum pushed for Ecco and my head yesterday. I'm never going to advocate a lynch of Ecco until all the mafia are dead. Garth's vote on Infinitum looks super pro town. Will not vote for him. CCKeane is looking super town with the outing. Will not vote for him. I think the scum are those advocating a lynch of Ecco on day 1. The biggest ping of my scumdar is SirSamVines
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Apr 25, 2016 02:10
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I think MMT fits the profile as well, and is likely the third scum...unless its kaschei or Cpig, who didn't post any content at all on day 1 assuming there's 3 scum
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Apr 25, 2016 02:11
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If there's any third party scum, my choice would be Kumba, for being silent in the mason doc
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Apr 25, 2016 02:12
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EccoRaven posted:is there anyone on whom you have even a scum lean? you're coming off as really wishy washy right now. I do not, for reasons I already said. Sorry if that makes me suspicious. 
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Apr 25, 2016 02:17
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Khris Kruel posted:If there's any third party scum, my choice would be Kumba, for being silent in the mason doc Maaaaaybe. I was thinking that we could have had a whacky everybody a different alignment doc, but I don't think Kumba is anti-town. I think it's more likely that it was two town and one mafia.
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Apr 25, 2016 02:25
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Khris Kruel posted:So these are all of SirSamVime's content. Two posts about the deadline, and the last quote, which is what I find the most damning in light of Infinitum being scum. I'd buy SSV, yeah.
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Apr 25, 2016 02:25
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CCKeane posted:Maaaaaybe. its funny, because I was totally going to push Kumba for the scum if Infinitum hadn't been modkilled...I scum claimed in a game once, and since it had never been done before, I picked 6 people for scum, and got 5 right. It was basically everyone that was like "I don't believe him"...which was pretty stupid for scum to do. Kumba fits that pretty well, but I agree that he's almost certainly not mafia now with Infinitum flipping
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Apr 25, 2016 04:08
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Khris Kruel posted:its funny, because I was totally going to push Kumba for the scum if Infinitum hadn't been modkilled...I scum claimed in a game once, and since it had never been done before, I picked 6 people for scum, and got 5 right. It was basically everyone that was like "I don't believe him"...which was pretty stupid for scum to do. Kumba fits that pretty well, but I agree that he's almost certainly not mafia now with Infinitum flipping We chatted in the doc before the kill, Kumba was like " this fuckers scum" so.
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Apr 25, 2016 04:12
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I wasn't silent in the mason doc. He was referring to me being silent during the claim and ensuing shenanigans, because I was at a barbecue Also hello
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Apr 25, 2016 04:14
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garthoneeye posted:Honestly, I was trying to figure out what the gently caress Infinitum's gambit could possibly be. I couldn't understand at all what it was supposed to accomplish or how it was supposed to work. Especially, since if one of them was scum they would be in the ScumDoc. I went through this same line of thinking and I was writing a post about it as the thread closed and the forum ate it 
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Apr 25, 2016 04:17
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CCKeane posted:We chatted in the doc before the kill, Kumba was like " this fuckers scum" so. ok I will defer to you then
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Apr 25, 2016 04:20
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like, if you're gonna scum gambit claim, don't actually do it as scum...
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Apr 25, 2016 04:21
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i'm very tired and pretty  but i'm gonna post some reads while watching the youtubes
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Apr 25, 2016 04:21
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Infinitum really only talked about KK in thread. He voted him (twice) and called out Ecco as scummy and nothing else. Not much to glean from him
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Apr 25, 2016 04:24
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Votecount for Day 2 Murmur Twin (2): EccoRaven, CapitalistPig SirSamVimes (1): Khris Kruel kaschei (1): garthoneeye EccoRaven (1): Murmur Twin garthoneeye (1): kaschei Khris Kruel (0): kaschei, Not Voting (5): Absurd Revolver, CCKeane, Kumbamontu, SirSamVimes, tpink With 11 alive, it's 6 votes to lynch. There is currently no deadline set.
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Apr 25, 2016 04:25
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I just reread the whole game and didnt get much. I agree MMT's posts seem fake. Her initial vote on Ecco for instance reads as a big overreaction to what was a list of early D1 reads that didn't need any more substantiation. I'm also having trouble making sense of how, after all of the back and forth, MMT ends up with a "null-lean-scum" read on Ecco. Reads as overly hedged after that long confrontation.
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Apr 25, 2016 04:43
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garthoneeye posted:I'm for voting Kash right now, posted even less content than me, showed up with an empty vote on KK, the only reason KK got heat D1 was from a posting gimmick that he dropped. Using "someone posted even less than me" as evidence of someone being scum is pinging me really hard right now
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Apr 25, 2016 04:45
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Khris Kruel posted:Infinitum pushed for Ecco and my head yesterday. I'm never going to advocate a lynch of Ecco until all the mafia are dead. Why does Infinitum's flip exonerate Ecco? He mentioned her once or twice, a decent way to distance himself from her publically.
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Apr 25, 2016 04:56
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Can barely keep my eyes open at this point, goodnight sweet goons
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Right now SSV and Absurd Revolver are both suspicious in my eyes for not really putting much out there. Admittedly neither one has posted anything for D2 and I can see that being a result of it being the weekend. But right now, if nothing changed, SSV would be my vote. I'm cooling on Ecco and back at null on Pig - he's acting scummy, but not out of the ordinary for him. tpink posted:I'm not getting a scum read on garth based on any of this. I think to date frankly we have not had enough info for strong cases on anyone. I'm starting to get a scum read on tpink - in my first scum game, I was very much afraid to commit to calling a town player scum and so tried to ride on "I don't have any reads " for as long as I could, and I feel like I'm seeing the same sort of thing here.TPink - if you had to name a scummiest person right now, like gun to your head, who would you pick and why? Also, have you ever been scum before? CCKeane posted:We chatted in the doc before the kill, Kumba was like " this fuckers scum" so. Not that I think Kumba is scum, but he said that after Infinitum scumclaimed? Wasn't that more or less a foregone conclusion at that point? Khris Kruel posted:I think MMT fits the profile as well, and is likely the third scum...unless its kaschei or Cpig, who didn't post any content at all on day 1 I'm laughing at the idea of the scumteam going through the effort to coordinate a strategy where they all case the same people, only to have it all come crashing down when Infinitum chose to go rogue.
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Kumbamontu posted:I just reread the whole game and didnt get much. I agree MMT's posts seem fake. Her initial vote on Ecco for instance reads as a big overreaction to what was a list of early D1 reads that didn't need any more substantiation. I'm also having trouble making sense of how, after all of the back and forth, MMT ends up with a "null-lean-scum" read on Ecco. Reads as overly hedged after that long confrontation. I thought her original cases were fake, specifically the one on Infinitum and the followup one on me. Going into the end of D1 / start of D2 I thought she was scum. After more discussion/thought on it, (a) the degree to which she's fighting her corner and (b) the fact that Infi and Ecco were both casing each other makes me have to consider the fact that maybe she's town who genuinely thinks I'm scum, and (c) in light of more discussion I feel like the people who aren't really trying to case people (SSV, Absurd Revolver, tpink, CPig, and Garth from most to least suspicious in my eyes) are more likely to be scum.
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Apr 25, 2016 05:23
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I think MMT backing down on me is kinda scummy since nothing has actually changed in our relationship. I don't think I've posted in the game once since MMT's flip (distracted by the throne games). But that doesn't change my opinion on her any so what can you do 
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I know people are going to see this and potentially glaze over it but I would really really really like it if people (other than Ecco) can read over this post and make a good faith effort to understand what I'm saying here.EccoRaven casing me through the game posted:(1) murmur's vote on pig was bad as well. a meta vote about how pig wants to leave jokephase, like it's a bad thing? talk about fake cases. The points that she is using to case me are as follows: (1) my vote is on CPig is "bad" and "fake" (2) my suspicion on Ecco felt fake and opportunistic (3 and 4) my attempting to create content is unhelpful for town / convenient if scum (5) my hedging my vote on Pig was scummy (6) my calling Ecco's case an OMGUS was a scummy way to dismiss her case (7) my case on Ecco was actually an OMGUS (8) my questioning Ecco's case on Infinitum was an attempt to save a scumbro (9) my questioning KK on Infinitum was an attempt to save a scumbro (10) my backing down on Ecco was scummy Why is Ecco using three different posts (1, 3, 4) to throw shade on me for this post? It was literally my first game-related post, made from a phone, while people were still mostly in jokephase. Point 5 ignores the fact that I explained why I was voting for Pig right here and implies that I was trying to deny responsibility in the event Pig was lynched, which I wasn't. Point 9 is a blatant attempt to twist what I'm saying to look scummy. She invents a thought process that never existed (that I thought KK was scum) and then calls me scum for it. ---  tl;dr - What is motivating Ecco's posts? Is she town, trying to discover my alignment? Or is she scum, trying her hardest to use anything she can to drive a mislynch on me? ##vote Ecco - I'm vanilla town. I feel reasonably confident that Ecco is scum. My preference would be that one of us is the vote today.
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So now you think I'm scum, neat. Your defense of my case against you isn't very good. I discovered your alignment when I read your posts and realized they weren't coming from a town perspective, but a scum one. You keep trying to gloss over it by saying "ecco fabricates a scum explanation!!", but that's just not true; if your posts don't make sense coming from a townie, but do coming from a scum, then to me that's the simplest answer. Your vote on CPig was bad. You made it seem like a real vote and then backed down from it as soon as you received pressure for it, claiming "jk it was just for a reaction!" ("talk about fabricating explanations" - sassy the raven). You revoting CPig me-tooing a case was bad, because it really looked less like "I think CPig is scum" and more "this seems like an easy vote." Your previous vote and case (which you had yet to discredit iirc when you revoted) could easily have been used to justify your vote while me-tooing someone else to distance yourself. It makes more sense for you to be scum than town. That your responses to my case use scummy dismissals (the OMGUS point) and keep going back and forth over its conclusion further show you don't genuinely believe in it. You were trying to bargain with me earlier by de-escalating, hoping I'd back down too (a common scum strategy when they realize they're being cornered and can't easily dodge it). When I tell you I don't you immediately go back to casing me. It's just all really forced. Combined with your connections to Infinitum I think you're the best vote for today.
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