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emanresu tnuocca posted:Dunno, that sounds like a whole new story to me. Given they're working with more knowledge of Winds of Winter than we are, its probably safe to assume Doran bites it. But that's essentially the problem here, is its called an adaptation for s reason. The Dornish plot from the book is pretty sprawling and convoluted at points. It would be difficult at best to put it in the show. Instead the altered and moved on in a way that is consistent within the story they're telling.
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Well, in the grand scheme of things Elaria and the Sand Snakes are going to replace Aegon/Arianne/Doran as the leaders of the "Southern Army" that is going to attack the Lannisters in King's Landing. But everything else in the story is cheapened to the point where the show has very little in common with the books.
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Apr 25, 2016 09:30
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Accretionist posted:I'm not going to be happy unless the white walkers kill everyone. Same.
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Apr 25, 2016 09:40
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I suppose the characters becoming ludicrous two-dimensional cliches was inevitable because of how much plot they had to compress, but it's still sad to see.
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Apr 25, 2016 09:41
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FourLeaf posted:I suppose the characters becoming ludicrous two-dimensional cliches was inevitable because of how much plot they had to compress, but it's still sad to see. Did they have too? Like, seriously, do you think HBO would have turned them down if after season 5 or even better 4, D&D would have said "look, we have all this amazing material but 7/8 seasons won't work, we will probably need 10 or 11?".
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Apr 25, 2016 09:45
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Anyone think it was strange that Mel went to sleep after she dropped the glamour? I know in the books she says she never sleeps, is that a show thing as well? Maybe she's powering up for the level 5 Rez spell.
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Apr 25, 2016 09:49
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This show really would have benefited from 12-14 episode seasons. Of course HBO would have never ponied up the money for that.
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Apr 25, 2016 09:55
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Harton posted:Anyone think it was strange that Mel went to sleep after she dropped the glamour? I know in the books she says she never sleeps, is that a show thing as well? Maybe she's powering up for the level 5 Rez spell. I thought they made an effort to demonstrate that the amulet does more than merely alter her appearance but is also a source of her vitality, she was moving around with visible effort and the such, going to bed was probably just a way to further demonstrate how old and weary she is without the amulet.
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Apr 25, 2016 09:59
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Harton posted:Anyone think it was strange that Mel went to sleep after she dropped the glamour? I know in the books she says she never sleeps, is that a show thing as well? Maybe she's powering up for the level 5 Rez spell. If you go by secondary sources (e.g. EW interview with VanHouten), it's probably because Mel's believe in her God is badly shaken by current events and therefore she stopped using his powers or his powers stopped functioning, which is why she looks like a raisin and has to sleep now.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Given they're working with more knowledge of Winds of Winter than we are, its probably safe to assume Doran bites it. Dude you're not actually arguing with anything anyone said. All I said was the Ellaria was moved to the center of the dorne plot and turned into an antagonist due to Indira Varma's screen presence (and the way the light goes through her thin silken dresses and creates a delightful silhouette in the shape of her thigh gap, but I digress), you said she's a composite between Ellaria and Arianne and was rightly told in response that she has very little to do with either character and is actually more similar to Lady Nymeria or bloodthirsty Obara, that's all. I do not question the fact that massive changes to the plot needed to be introduced in Dorne, I don't think that the show version is any good either but I agree that making changes was necessary.
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Apr 25, 2016 10:02
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Yeah so, way too many posts for me to catch up with. Apart from Sean Connery not being from Newcastle, pretty much.
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Apr 25, 2016 10:21
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gently caress yeah, Ellaria killed Doran. After hearing for a year people theorise how the opposite would happen, it was a refreshing change. Areo going down without a fight was the cherry on top. In general, loved the episode.
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Apr 25, 2016 10:21
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I just remembered that Balon Greyjoy is still alive lol. Can't wait to see Theon's crazy uncle Euron though.
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Apr 25, 2016 10:25
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Also the sand snakes killing their lord/family and succeeding as ruler makes it more likely that Roose will end up on one of the burning crosses. Since Balon is immortal maybe after he drops off the bridge they'll keep the camera on the sea for 30 seconds then something floats up and swims away. Merlings.
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Apr 25, 2016 10:32
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What the are odds for the next episode being Jon Snow's revival? I'm guessing episode 3 personally.
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NutritiousSnack posted:What the are odds for the next episode being Jon Snow's revival? I'm guessing episode 3 personally. Yeah it's not gonna be next episode, the preview shows that the "I apologize for what you're about to see" scene happens next week, possibly also the Tower of Joy.
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Apr 25, 2016 10:34
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Did Tristane know the Sand Snakes who turned up to kill him also killed his fiancé that he seemed to super love? 'cause he didn't really have much of a reaction about that. I mean if they're not going to bother to characterise him at all, they might as well have just thrown a line in there about how "oh he fell off his boat and drowned instantly offscreen. Don't worry about it. Plotline ended." Also a little confused about the Dornish guards who just stand there. Okay, they didn't react to the Prince or Areo Hotah being killed, sure, that means they work with the Sand Snakes and Ellaria. But they also didn't react when that one dude ran away, they just stood there impassively as Bad Pussy hurried to kill him before he got away. I know the obvious answer is to try not to think about ANYTHING in the Sand Snake scenes, but like...what?
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Apr 25, 2016 10:46
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Yeah, this show is bad to the point now where I'm not intrigued by any of it(except maybe the wall and the walkers stuff) and I'm just watching to see where the plot goes since the books will never be finished. Even with the Wall stuff it's stupid. Davos has just lost the guy he pledged his entire life and service to or whatever and we don't even see any effects of that. He's behind the door having witty banter with (VERY BAD MAN!!) Allister. What are they thinking? Kawalimus fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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Apr 25, 2016 10:50
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Just watched the preview, Bran looks old as balls now. I guess hanging out in a magic tree cave all day will make puberty kick in real hard.
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Apr 25, 2016 10:52
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Ahaha gently caress this show. Welcome season 6, loving nothing happened. The best part is I started watching it all optimistic, and didn't make it out of the previews without being reminded how dumb it is. Horrible Bow Woman (Why is she holding someone up from four feet away with a bow?) dies because she fell like 15 feet, but Theon and Sansa make a 40 foot drop just fine? Okay sure. But really, nothingggggg.
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Harton posted:Anyone think it was strange that Mel went to sleep after she dropped the glamour? I know in the books she says she never sleeps, is that a show thing as well? Maybe she's powering up for the level 5 Rez spell. I guess she's letting her guard down since things seem hosed? Stannis is gone, Jon is gone, she's old and tired and the flame ain't guiding her anymore. That's like the one thing that makes sense in this episode. I mean she's obviously gonna resurrect Jon, but still.
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Apr 25, 2016 11:02
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poo poo I just figured out that the only reasonable explanation to the titty snakes showing up on the boat outside of King's Landing is them being mermaids.
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my bony fealty posted:naw my problem is that the dothraki in this episode had absolutely nothing to do except talk about how they wanted to trash Dany via sexual violence or just normal violence, until she claims she's an ex-khaleesi and the khal just seems to take her word for it. if he was aware of Khal Drogo's blonde wife then he should have recognized her right away, and if he wasn't then why does he believe her without hesitation? it's not racist, just lazy writing, the dothraki are real neat and they put so much work into fleshing out a culture and language for them and if Dany was kidnapped by Lannister soliders the writing would have been the exact same, rape and all. they managed to make the dothraki boring. Wait a tick, why didn't anyone tell Dany about the whole widow thing when her husband ACTUALLY DIED? Or did I miss that part?
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evilmiera posted:Wait a tick, why didn't anyone tell Dany about the whole widow thing when her husband ACTUALLY DIED? Or did I miss that part? I'm pretty sure this is omitted in the show, the show just has Jorah telling her not to step into the flames to which she responds "I won't burn" or something like that, the book has the extended sequence where her blood riders tell her they won't serve her and tell her they need to take her to join the Dosh Khaleen, after which she gifts them Drogo's weapons and walks into the pyre.
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'ellaria, my dear, you don't understand, the death of my sister still fills me with such pain and anguish, i must have revenge, it was a terrible thing for the lannisters to betray us and kill my sibling...' ellaria ponders... 'oberyn would have wanted us to...' she thinks deeply... a distant voice calls to her... "...Betray us and kill my sibling..." she nods sagely. it is what oberyn would have wanted
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Apr 25, 2016 11:55
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I hope there are no more scenes of people being impaled from behind just-in-time this season. No more!
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Apr 25, 2016 11:56
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kater posted:Ahaha gently caress this show. Welcome season 6, loving nothing happened. She fell onto frozen dirt while Sansa and Theon landed in a big snowdrift
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Apr 25, 2016 12:09
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I'm concerned Mel is going to cook up a disguise for someone else to look like Jon Snow instead of resurrecting him.
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Apr 25, 2016 12:15
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emanresu tnuocca posted:poo poo I just figured out that the only reasonable explanation to the titty snakes showing up on the boat outside of King's Landing is them being mermaids. The prince dude wasn't with Jamie and wasn't near King's Landing. Surprised that there's so much griping, really. The show has been better than the books from the second season, this stuff may not be amazing, but there's no way in hell the next book is going to be better.
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Bloodraven: There is something you need to see, it involves your father and your brother Jon. It is very important. Rhaegar called it the Tower of Joy, in Dorne- Bran: gently caress
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PostNouveau posted:I'm concerned Mel is going to cook up a disguise for someone else to look like Jon Snow instead of resurrecting him. No, that's not going to happen. Worst case is that they Davos will be fake-Jon for a few episodes while Mel and the guys gather the resources needed to resurrect Jon (which might be some kind of blood or Thoros of Myr)
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Apr 25, 2016 12:22
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Funso Banjo posted:The prince dude wasn't with Jamie and wasn't near King's Landing. Yes he was, the shot of the ship shows it in the same bay Cersei was meeting Jaime in earlier in the episode. On what other ship will he be? He was bound to King's Landing to serve on the small council.
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Funso Banjo posted:The prince dude wasn't with Jamie and wasn't near King's Landing. Actually, yeah it was still right in front of King's Landing, they even have a shot of the ship with the castle as frame just before the assassination to make it crystal clear. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt before too, but if you rewatch those scenes it's very clear that the ship is not in Dorne.
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Apr 25, 2016 12:30
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He's painting the eye rocks for her funeral right before the sand snakes burst in, which implies he's in King's Landing.
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Apr 25, 2016 12:40
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The two non-badpussy snakes just simply jumped on a nearby rowboat, caught up with the sailboat right after jaime, tristane, and marcella boarded, and just hid out surreptitiously until Jaime and Bronn were gone from the ship and they had the opportunity to get Trystane alone. Bad Pussy and queen snake were the only ones to stay behind.
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Apr 25, 2016 12:49
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There are plenty of reasons they could have got onboard. Most of the people that are mad in here just seem to want to be angry about the show. I enjoyed it, personally.
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GaussianCopula posted:Actually, yeah it was still right in front of King's Landing, they even have a shot of the ship with the castle as frame just before the assassination to make it crystal clear. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt before too, but if you rewatch those scenes it's very clear that the ship is not in Dorne. Also, Tyrion/Varys strolling around the same streets that just recently murdered a legendary fighter without a single escort. Oh hey look the harpies burned our random fleet  What the gently caress are the unsullied even doing
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Mr. Nice! posted:There are plenty of reasons they could have got onboard. Most of the people that are mad in here just seem to want to be angry about the show. I enjoyed it, personally. My question is why would Jaime have left Trystane alone on the boat though? Wouldn't it have been better/safer to bring him along and put him in the castle? Even if Jaime doesn't think Trystane was involved in Myrcella's murder, it makes no sense to me that he would've been left on the boat even with someone guarding it.
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