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So, I quite enjoyed Garden of Sinners, and I was specifically interested in seeing some more badass wizard battles like in the fifth film. That's why I decided to watch Fate/Stay Night which had wizard battles (but not very badass ones, gotta be honest). I actually got through the first season thinking this was gonna lead up to something cool, and then the second season starts with this: I guess the thread title is appropriate. Are there actually gonna be badass wizard battles, or what? Is this poo poo just gonna get worse from here on out?
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May 8, 2016 17:03
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oh boy here we go
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May 8, 2016 17:18
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And More posted:So, I quite enjoyed Garden of Sinners, and I was specifically interested in seeing some more badass wizard battles like in the fifth film. That's why I decided to watch Fate/Stay Night which had wizard battles (but not very badass ones, gotta be honest). I actually got through the first season thinking this was gonna lead up to something cool, and then the second season starts with this: I dunno maybe you should keep watching and see before you come whining to the thread about it
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May 8, 2016 17:20
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Breaking News: Fate/Stay Night was written 12 years ago, back when VNs had to have porn to get any attention from the nerd audience at all. Astoundingly, even modern adaptions of it still have some skeezy bits because it's still aimed at nerds!!!
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May 8, 2016 17:23
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That's not even porn it's like a few scenes and then she's back to fighting, it's barely there and he jumped to conclusions.
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May 8, 2016 17:24
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Baal posted:I dunno maybe you should keep watching and see before you come whining to the thread about it Sorry if this sounds like I'm whining. I mainly wanted to know if there is something like the finale of the fifth film in that show. 
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May 8, 2016 17:27
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There isn't, just keep watching and you will get more than enough to make you realize how nothing that is.
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May 8, 2016 17:28
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wizard on wizard combat is more of a Fate Zero thing but it happens in FSN yes, and is better than KnK, much like everything about Fate is better than KnK
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May 8, 2016 17:28
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Anyway F/SN is mostly a slow boil until the end. Of the three routes, UBW is the best about spacing out the cool stuff, but even it has a Designated poo poo Gets Real point. It's just how the story's written.
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May 8, 2016 17:29
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It's good and I love it
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May 8, 2016 17:30
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Baal posted:It's good and I love it I guess I'll see where it's going, then. Thanks!
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May 8, 2016 17:41
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I find it weird everyone immediately got defensive because the villain did a villainous thing that was intentionally designed to be degrading to the hero because she hates heroes.
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May 8, 2016 17:53
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Rodyle posted:wizard on wizard combat is more of a Fate Zero thing but it happens in FSN yes, and is better than KnK, much like everything about Fate is better than KnK KnK is good and I wouldn't compare it to FSN because they're different stories w/ different purposes. KnK's more self-contained for one thing.
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May 8, 2016 18:04
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Baal posted:I dunno maybe you should keep watching and see before you come whining to the thread about it Did you ever watch more than the first one?
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May 8, 2016 18:18
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Rodyle posted:wizard on wizard combat is more of a Fate Zero thing but it happens in FSN yes, and is better than KnK, much like everything about Fate is better than KnK Ah, we're in oppositeland
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May 8, 2016 18:20
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Oh boy, you gonna love the Heaven's Feel movie! Tell me, how do you feel about "dick-worms"? ... actually wait a minute, you watched KnK and ignored the part where the evil rapist guy literally licked and bite every part of Shiki's body in a painfully slow manner? Or where that woman whose name I've already forgotten got raped on screen? Bholder fucked around with this message at 19:14 on May 8, 2016 |
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May 8, 2016 19:07
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Bholder posted:Oh boy, you gonna love the Heaven's Feel movie! quote:... actually wait a minute, you watched KnK and ignored the part where the evil rapist guy literally liked and bite every part of Shiki's body in a painfully slow manner? Or where that woman whose name I've already forgotten got raped on screen? It was a thing that happened in the movies, yes. Didn't approve though.
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May 8, 2016 19:11
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Compendium posted:KnK is good and I wouldn't compare it to FSN because they're different stories w/ different purposes. KnK's more self-contained for one thing. Yeah, the wizard battle in Garden of Sinners owns. Two smug assholes outsmarting one another for ten full minutes. It's pretty much perfect. Bholder posted:Oh boy, you gonna love the Heaven's Feel movie! Luckily, I can currently only watch the first two seasons, so I guess I'll have a lot of time to think about that question. The third film kind of sucks, imo. Lots of rape and murder leading to very little interesting storytelling. When it comes to that evil rapist guy: As horrible as that was, it made sense in the context of the show. I can understand that a hosed up lion dude would probably try to devour his prey. It's skeevy and exploitative, but I get it. In F/S N, there is genuinely no reason for Caster to do this to Saber. It comes off as especially unnecessary because the pose she makes Saber hold is only present in that one episode. In the next episode, she just lies on the floor. Seems to me like it was mainly meant to be sexy. And More fucked around with this message at 19:47 on May 8, 2016 |
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May 8, 2016 19:31
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It was in the original VN and this was something they decided to be faithful to it for no real reason.
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May 8, 2016 19:50
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Namtab posted:Did you ever watch more than the first one? I've been meaning to but got caught up with Gundam, will make sure I get back to it
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May 8, 2016 19:51
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Baal posted:It was in the original VN and this was something they decided to be faithful to it for no real reason.
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May 8, 2016 20:13
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And More posted:In F/S N, there is genuinely no reason for Caster to do this to Saber. It comes off as especially unnecessary because the pose she makes Saber hold is only present in that one episode. In the next episode, she just lies on the floor. Seems to me like it was mainly meant to be sexy. Caster has an unhealthily large sexual obsession with Saber and collects Saber merchandise. She is constantly drooling over Saber and how cute she is. This is canon.
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May 8, 2016 20:14
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alcharagia posted:Caster has an unhealthily large sexual obsession with Saber and collects Saber merchandise. She is constantly drooling over Saber and how cute she is. This is canon. I think Kuzuki encourages her behavior. Most of his salary goes toward Saber merchandise. After all, living in the temple has its advantages.
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May 8, 2016 20:17
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Namtab posted:I'd imagine the reason was to tittilate the viewers. I'll tittilate you
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May 8, 2016 20:29
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alcharagia posted:Caster has an unhealthily large sexual obsession with Saber and collects Saber merchandise. She is constantly drooling over Saber and how cute she is. This is canon. So basically Caster is Takeuchi.
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May 8, 2016 20:30
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The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > ADTRW > Type-Moon Megathread: it was mainly meant to be sexy also, dr. roman is a dope 
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May 8, 2016 20:40
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And More posted:The third film kind of sucks, imo. Lots of rape and murder leading to very little interesting storytelling. When it comes to that evil rapist guy: As horrible as that was, it made sense in the context of the show. I can understand that a hosed up lion dude would probably try to devour his prey. It's skeevy and exploitative, but I get it. In F/S N, there is genuinely no reason for Caster to do this to Saber. Sanguinia posted:a villainous thing that was intentionally designed to be degrading to the hero because she hates heroes.
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May 8, 2016 20:55
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Compendium posted:The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > ADTRW > Type-Moon Megathread: it was mainly meant to be sexy More phone games need this kind of official tie-in. Also is Stheno seriously in the guaranteed 4star pull for new players? That's loving horrible. XENA I LOVE YOU fucked around with this message at 21:31 on May 8, 2016 |
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May 8, 2016 21:27
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The joke that everyone collectively latched onto was Caster being a drooling obsessive Saber fangirl who wants to be givin' her the sex, but really it seems kind of out there to me for someone to say Caster's Saber bride torture was for no reason and its only purpose was audience titillation. In the Fate route there's a threesome out of nowhere for no real reason, the stuff that's there to indulge the audience's libido and the stuff that uses sex as a motif for storytelling is night and day. Caster makes it crystal clear that she sees Saber as an embodiment of purity and despises it. She is not the only character who does this, almost every character in Stay Night and Zero recognizes Saber as a "pure being," and react according to their personality and beliefs. In Caster's case, she wants to destroy and defile that purity because of her own traumas and history. It takes on an overtly sexual air, but all of this is clear and obvious symbolism that Caster is using intentionally, be it to advance bending Saber to her will through psychological torment or just for her own amusement/gratification. The wedding dress, the dialogue where Caster ponders about Saber's maidenhood, the pose, the sadism Caster exerts against Saber, this is all window dressing. The real meaning of it all is the challenge to Saber's EXISTENTIAL purity. The sexual element of that purity in the foreground is only there to get across the allegory. This of course makes perfect sense because of which Heroic Spirit Caster is, and more importantly the specific branch of the scholarly tradition surrounding that persona from which this interpretation of her character is drawn. But that's a spoiler so I'll leave it at "trust me, it makes sense." I'm not going to pretend that Nasu always succeeds at trying to use sex as a tool for mature and interesting storytelling, but the majority if the time he's at least trying, and its really obvious when he's not. Considering the general state of the anime market it really bums me out when people don't give him any credit and lump stuff like this in with the usual "this was just here to get the audience's rocks off," seinen heap.
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May 8, 2016 21:29
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Started watching Unlimited Blade Works again. Not that I didn't really like the show from the start, but it'll be nice to go through it again without waiting every week for a new episode.
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May 9, 2016 09:25
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Sanguinia posted:The joke that everyone collectively latched onto was Caster being a drooling obsessive Saber fangirl who wants to be givin' her the sex, but really it seems kind of out there to me for someone to say Caster's Saber bride torture was for no reason and its only purpose was audience titillation. In the Fate route there's a threesome out of nowhere for no real reason, the stuff that's there to indulge the audience's libido and the stuff that uses sex as a motif for storytelling is night and day. I think most of the sexual stuff in Type-Moon stories is at least partly to get the audience's rocks off; it's just sometimes done in a way that makes for interesting characters as well. (Exhibit A is Akiha, who should be a terrible fetish character but is actually legitimately interesting.)
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May 9, 2016 15:22
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Sanguinia posted:
Okay, since I now know who Caster is, and how her part of the story ends, I feel like I can judge this a bit more clearly. While I'd agree that you can definitely find an attempt at justifying that scene with Medea's history, this is by no means a prominent character trait for Caster within the actual story. What makes her think that sexual violence will be especially effective? Caster never uses it before or after that point, so it's clearly not character-defining for her. The other option would be that it's character-defining for Saber who until then hasn't had anything even remotely romantic or sexual going on. (Caster also does not say anything about maidenhood as far as I can tell. Maybe that's only in the video game.) Besides, the torture simply doesn't have any effect on Saber. As soon as she is free, Saber is back to normal. That entire "I'll break your spirit"-spiel is of absolutely no consequence. It's kind of a shame considering the fight against Caster is basically everything I wanted out of this show. (The German counting was a nice touch.)
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May 9, 2016 15:47
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May 9, 2016 16:04
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Nyaa posted:She kept her pony tail. that was Uro And More posted:Saber who until then hasn't had anything even remotely romantic or sexual going on She did actually, in the first 3rd of the story that you skipped by watching the anime instead of reading the VN.
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May 9, 2016 16:20
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Nyaa posted:She kept her pony tail. I hope you are aware that I have to skim the Type-Moon wiki every time anyone makes a joke around here.  Rodyle posted:She did actually, in the first 3rd of the story that you skipped by watching the anime instead of reading the VN. Well, lets be honest here, I'm in it for the wizard battles. The sitcom stuff is okay, but I don't want more of it.
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May 9, 2016 16:30
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Say that after you watch Carnival Phantasm
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May 9, 2016 16:32
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And More posted:Well, lets be honest here, I'm in it for the wizard battles. The sitcom stuff is okay, but I don't want more of it. The point is more than you're trying to make these big criticisms over a partial adaptation which you haven't even finished, which is doubly hilarious when you already gave KnK a free pass for a worse example of the same kind of thing. also Compendium posted:Say that after you watch Carnival Phantasm
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May 9, 2016 16:32
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 Gee Heracles, why do you get to be Avenger and True Archer? Alcides was Heracles' birth name, this is supposed to be
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May 9, 2016 16:37
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I don't really like the Saber/Caster stuff in UBW but I also can't bring myself to get upset or really care about it at all either. It's just a weird sort of tangent that gets drowned out by all of the other crazy poo poo that goes down in the UBW endgame.
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 Oh and Hippolyta is on the next page.
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