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ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos

ExtraNoise posted:

I saw this guy and I'm not sure he's being very realistic with his goals for the mod. It sounds like he wants to do a total conversion mod right out of the box instead of in parts.

Also, he seems pretty set on doing a 2018 + campaign, and that's not really the time period I want to focus on.

Can we play as ISIS?

You see, ever since they made that caliphate map with the Victoria 2 map I've had this desire...

ass struggle fucked around with this message at 09:35 on May 10, 2016

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Tuskin38
May 1, 2013

Have you seen these posts?
They're pretty popular on Reddit.
I know there is a Stellaris thread, but it also is related to company in general

quote:

Less than 24 hours after release, Stellaris has sold over 200,000 units, breaking the revenue record for any of Paradox Interactive’s previous titles during the same time period. For the internal development studio, the game has broken every record available and is the studio's fastest selling game ever.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-day-one-sales-breaks-paradox-records.927411/

Psychotic Weasel
Jun 24, 2004

Bang! You're dead.
drat it, now I need to find another niche developer to like so I can smugly tell people I was a fan of theirs before they were mainstream.

But congrats on the success - I'm glad the game is turning out well.

Now please do a reboot of Transport Tycoon already.

Tuskin38
May 1, 2013

Have you seen these posts?
They're pretty popular on Reddit.
World War Wednesday is back tomorrow, they have something special planned for it and the following weeks.

Shark Sandwich
Sep 6, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Tuskin38 posted:

World War Wednesday is back tomorrow, they have something special planned for it and the following weeks.

Union of Serbian Socialist Republics game?

Emanuel Collective
Jan 16, 2008

by Smythe

slavatuvs posted:

Can we play as ISIS?

You see, ever since they made that caliphate map with the Victoria 2 map I've had this desire...

The latest version of the DH Modern Day Scenario mod makes ISIS both playable and unstoppable. They overrun Syria and Iraq in days, at which point they get an event where literally every single Sunni Muslim nation outside of Indonesia/Africa joins ISIS.

PleasingFungus
Oct 10, 2012
idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Emanuel Collective posted:

The latest version of the DH Modern Day Scenario mod makes ISIS both playable and unstoppable. They overrun Syria and Iraq in days, at which point they get an event where literally every single Sunni Muslim nation outside of Indonesia/Africa joins ISIS.

lmao

ExtraNoise
Apr 11, 2007

slavatuvs posted:

Can we play as ISIS?

You see, ever since they made that caliphate map with the Victoria 2 map I've had this desire...

Absolutely. Though I'm assuming you'll have to tag switch at some point. I'll have to see how HoI4 scripting works.


Emanuel Collective posted:

The latest version of the DH Modern Day Scenario mod makes ISIS both playable and unstoppable. They overrun Syria and Iraq in days, at which point they get an event where literally every single Sunni Muslim nation outside of Indonesia/Africa joins ISIS.

Why is it people with agendas always feel the need to ruin their game mods? What happened to objectivity and neutrality? Ugh.

ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos

ExtraNoise posted:

Why is it people with agendas always feel the need to ruin their game mods? What happened to objectivity and neutrality? Ugh.

I remember the MDM for HoI3 had an "alternative" theories about 9/11 event.

stopped playing after that.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


ExtraNoise posted:

Why is it people with agendas always feel the need to ruin their game mods? What happened to objectivity and neutrality? Ugh.

Novapaddy seems like the type of person to believe that's a realistic scenario.

Westminster System
Jul 4, 2009
I mean, the real problem with ISIS isn't that they overrun Syria and Iraq (they've been nerfed and I've seen the rebels and Assad win more than them in the few test games I ran) - it's that when ISIS does win, all those countries are just like "eh, sure, why not!" I mean Turkey and Saudi Arabia joining ISIS is like the most incredible fairytale notion possible.

The others less so, but still ridiculous. Then you essentially invade Iran, curbstomp India and demand China's submission or you curbstomp that too. You're also probably getting bombed forever by random European nations and the USA and Russia still at this point unless something bugged and randomly peaced you out. Good news though! Now you border Russia. Let's not forget random armies spawn in Africa and put you at war with like 5 african countries while this is going on and any human can immediately beeline for capitals and essentially own 1/5th of Africa - Meanwhile you never touch North Africa or Israel, at least not by event.

But its fine, apparently ISIS will transition perfectly from assorted rebel groups into modern high tech caliphate with a mandate of coast to coast in all but one turkish inheritance.

In Summary: Novapaddy.

Westminster System fucked around with this message at 10:30 on May 11, 2016

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012


it'd be epic except for the fact they somehow managed to break the optimization on a ten year old game.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Westminster System posted:

I mean, the real problem with ISIS isn't that they overrun Syria and Iraq (they've been nerfed and I've seen the rebels and Assad win more than them in the few test games I ran) - it's that when ISIS does win, all those countries are just like "eh, sure, why not!" I mean Turkey and Saudi Arabia joining ISIS is like the most incredible fairytale notion possible.

The others less so, but still ridiculous. Then you essentially invade Iran, curbstomp India and demand China's submission or you curbstomp that too. You're also probably getting bombed forever by random European nations and the USA and Russia still at this point unless something bugged and randomly peaced you out. Good news though! Now you border Russia. Let's not forget random armies spawn in Africa and put you at war with like 5 african countries while this is going on and any human can immediately beeline for capitals and essentially own 1/5th of Africa - Meanwhile you never touch North Africa or Israel, at least not by event.

But its fine, apparently ISIS will transition perfectly from assorted rebel groups into modern high tech caliphate with a mandate of coast to coast in all but one turkish inheritance.

In Summary: Novapaddy.

Also, don't they occasionally turn somewhat Californian due to them using the CAL tag?

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


ThaumPenguin posted:

Also, don't they occasionally turn somewhat Californian due to them using the CAL tag?

Their tech teams do at least.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


ExtraNoise posted:

Absolutely. Though I'm assuming you'll have to tag switch at some point. I'll have to see how HoI4 scripting works.


Why is it people with agendas always feel the need to ruin their game mods? What happened to objectivity and neutrality? Ugh.

Last time I played MDS was back in the HOI2:DD days, and I remember the chance of the US AI electing John Kerry was quite small, and it generally ignited WW3 (at least in my games).

Also the US always won the Iraq war in about a week.

In short there is a lot of overlap between strategy mapgames/grognard games and really bad archconservative political opinions and/or Wehraboos.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Oh no, Paradox deleted the EU3 mods subforum so the thread from that Terra Nova mod where the mod guy tries to argue dragons might have existed no longer exists. :(

ExtraNoise
Apr 11, 2007

Drone posted:

In short there is a lot of overlap between strategy mapgames/grognard games and really bad archconservative political opinions and/or Wehraboos.

Subverting wehraboos is my entire motivation in life.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Westminster System posted:

I mean Turkey and Saudi Arabia joining ISIS is like the most incredible fairytale notion possible.
To be fair, they both support ISIS, so that's a step up from like Morocco joining.

Tuskin38
May 1, 2013

Have you seen these posts?
They're pretty popular on Reddit.
World War Wednesday

https://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive/v/65803023?t=12m03s

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

I'm real pumped for HoIV. I'm sure it'll have its rough edges but at the least it looks fleshed out and robust systems wise, which is... not something you can really say about Stellaris atm.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Every World War Wednesday I'm disappointed that the only unit that ever gets built or used in any numbers is infantry. They're the cheapest unit and the one that requires the least research to deploy - why are they ALSO the most efficient unit?

There are also a bunch of other factors that interact with them to make them even better - like the choice between a military commander that gives +10 attack and defense to every one of my 300 infantry divisions, or one that gives +10 attack and defense to my 10 tank divisions, or research that does the same.

I just sigh inwardly every time Daniel sacrifices any pretense of a navy, airforce or mechanised army on the altar of more infantry divisions at all costs. A WW2 armaments minister who dismantled his country's tank factories to divert the resources towards rifle manufacture would have been shot.

Psychotic Weasel
Jun 24, 2004

Bang! You're dead.
I haven't had a chance to watch today's stream since I am still at work, but I suspect the issue is that they're trying to show this off in the most interesting way possible, which means treating it like an action packed war game rather than something you sit and think about. And as a result you just get these redicilous blobs (I do hope the AI is capable of defeating this and the game doesn't turn into just Zerg rushing your neighbour). Part of me still likes microing the poo poo out of my units in HOI3, just grabbing a bunch of them and rightclicking somewhere for them to all attack seems sacrilegious.

In the last stream they had to cheat just to get tanks and try and show them off. I'm not sure if they're still playing as Hungary or what they've changed but I think HOI may just be one of those games that's more fun to play than watch. That said, I don't know why they wouldn't just switch to a more fleshed out country to show everything off.

Psychotic Weasel fucked around with this message at 19:46 on May 11, 2016

Pump it up! Do it!
Oct 3, 2012
So I just came home from a company presentation where Fredrik Wester and the CFO of Paradox presented the company to potential investors and now I am completely reassured as both an investor and as a customer. Fredrik said that they weren't going to show any projections because those are extremely hard to predict. Furtheremore, he said that they weren't going to engage in quarterly capitalism but instead grow over time and that some quarters would be good while other would be bad but the market would get used to it. Overall Fredrik seems extremely competent and as he said if he just wanted to make quick money he would just sell the company now instead of keep owning the largest part of the company after the IPO.

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

YF-23 posted:

Oh no, Paradox deleted the EU3 mods subforum so the thread from that Terra Nova mod where the mod guy tries to argue dragons might have existed no longer exists. :(

I couldn't figure out why they'd do this, but EU3 mods still seems to be there for me? :confused:

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug

Lord Tywin posted:

So I just came home from a company presentation where Fredrik Wester and the CFO of Paradox presented the company to potential investors and now I am completely reassured as both an investor and as a customer. Fredrik said that they weren't going to show any projections because those are extremely hard to predict. Furtheremore, he said that they weren't going to engage in quarterly capitalism but instead grow over time and that some quarters would be good while other would be bad but the market would get used to it. Overall Fredrik seems extremely competent and as he said if he just wanted to make quick money he would just sell the company now instead of keep owning the largest part of the company after the IPO.

were there any indications on his true feelings regarding space Marxism

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Psychotic Weasel posted:

In the last stream they had to cheat just to get tanks and try and show them off. I'm not sure if they're still playing as Hungary or what they've changed but I think HOI may just be one of those games that's more fun to play than watch. That said, I don't know why they wouldn't just switch to a more fleshed out country to show everything off.

Yeah, it was kinda dumb when they cheated themselves the technologies for up-to-date tanks, but they still only had the industrial might of Hungary to actually build any with, so all they got was two under-strength divisions, which Daniel proceeded to pretty much treat exactly the same as his infantry divisions.

I desperately want to see the USA or USSR played just so they've got enough resources to waste on frivolous military excesses such as tanks or planes, but I fear it will just mean Daniel builds nothing but infantry again, but fifty times as many this time.

Wooper
Oct 16, 2006

Champion draGoon horse slayer. Making Lancers weep for their horsies since 2011. Viva Dickbutt.
Has even a battleplan which is not just a wide frontal assault been shown.

ExtraNoise
Apr 11, 2007

"Major 8" modern day mod update (if you're interested):

I tried to come up with a sure-fire way to generate the major 8 using data! And metrics! And indexes!

And the result doesn't have Russia in it so I think I'm just going to scrap the idea at this point and pick the 8 countries I think would be the most interesting to play in a modern day mod.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Wooper posted:

Has even a battleplan which is not just a wide frontal assault been shown.

He draws one in the WWW today, but it's pretty much just a joke which isn't executed.

LostCosmonaut
Feb 15, 2014

Try ditching the life expectancy ranking or use something other than a simple mean, that's probably what's loving it up for Russia.

Kaza42
Oct 3, 2013

Blood and Souls and all that
The problem is that Daniel really doesn't like battleplans, at least beyond "keep everyone moving thataway, I'll handle the rest". He talked about what he likes to do, which is have an infantry front wave push forward and a bunch of tanks to micro exploit the gaps. As a result, his plans are all one, MAYBE two big fronts to push that he then micros to hell and back.

This doesn't mean that battleplans are bad or don't work, but it does mean that Daniel isn't the one to show them off. I could see a Germany player creating a Polish Invasion battleplan that pushes to the river, then group 2 sweeps up through that plains gap in the south, or a French invasion plan that involves staging through the low countries. Or Operation Barbarossa, which you can bet I'm not trying to manage myself. I hate controlling the Eastern Front so much, you guys.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

LostCosmonaut posted:

Try ditching the life expectancy ranking or use something other than a simple mean, that's probably what's loving it up for Russia.

At the end of the day HoI4 is a wargame, so he should probably just use the top 8 military powers.

I'm kinda of the opinion that a modern day mod is a fool's errand though - WW2 simulators don't have a lot of the elements required to represent modern warfare.

ExtraNoise
Apr 11, 2007

Gort posted:

I'm kinda of the opinion that a modern day mod is a fool's errand though

It really is, don't worry, I'm coming at it from that point of view. It definitely won't be a game for super-serious modern day geopolitical gamin'. It's going to be a mod where the US invades Mexico because why not.

Takanago
Jun 2, 2007

You'll see...

ExtraNoise posted:

It really is, don't worry, I'm coming at it from that point of view. It definitely won't be a game for super-serious modern day geopolitical gamin'. It's going to be a mod where the US invades Mexico because why not.

Is it going to be before or after the 2016 US Presidential Election?

Basically what I'm asking is if there will be the option to play President Trump

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Gort posted:

At the end of the day HoI4 is a wargame, so he should probably just use the top 8 military powers.

I'm kinda of the opinion that a modern day mod is a fool's errand though - WW2 simulators don't have a lot of the elements required to represent modern warfare.

Realistically, sure, but it could work if you basically just look at it as "WW2 tactics combined with modern day technology". Which honestly would probably be more fun to play than a more realistic depiction of modern day warfare. Plus it's not as if we have any good examples of what direct conflict between two superpowers would actually be like post-WW2.

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus

Takanago posted:

Is it going to be before or after the 2016 US Presidential Election?

Basically what I'm asking is if there will be the option to play President Trump

Invading Mexico and Canada as President Trump would be awesome.

Psychotic Weasel
Jun 24, 2004

Bang! You're dead.

The Cheshire Cat posted:

Realistically, sure, but it could work if you basically just look at it as "WW2 tactics combined with modern day technology". Which honestly would probably be more fun to play than a more realistic depiction of modern day warfare. Plus it's not as if we have any good examples of what direct conflict between two superpowers would actually be like post-WW2.

I imagine it would look a lot like this before long:

(edit: hell, most of my HOI games look like this by 1945)

I don't see how WW2 tactics would really work with modern hardware. With the guided munitions, computer aided targeting and over-the-horizon weapons you would never be able to pull off most of the things you saw 70-80 years ago. And that's really the problem with taking a game like Hearts of Iron and trying to make a modern day, or even Cold War mod for it. None of the mechanics or systems the devs created would be able to accurately simulate how politics or combat have changed. How do you simulate naval combat in a world where if your enemy can see your ships through their binoculars you've already lost?

Psychotic Weasel fucked around with this message at 02:13 on May 12, 2016

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

Paradox should just make a spiritual sequel to shattered union instead of going for modern world war stuff.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

Paradox should make a game set in Africa starting in the 50s and 60s where you play a newly independent former colony. You wouldn't be painting the continent with your colour but more dealing with both your own internal politics and the world politics of the Cold War. Being a Mega-Mugabe kleptocrat should be just as viable of a playstyle as actually trying, and probably failing, to improve things despite everything.

FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 02:51 on May 12, 2016

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Hefty Leftist
Jun 26, 2011

"You know how vodka or whiskey are distilled multiple times to taste good? It's the same with shit. After being digested for the third time shit starts to taste reeeeeeaaaally yummy."


FreudianSlippers posted:

Paradox should make a game set in Africa starting in the 50s and 60s where you play a newly independent former colony. You wouldn't be painting the continent with your colour but more dealing with both your own internal politics and the world politics of the Cold War. Being a Mega-Mugabe kleptocrat should be just as viable of playstyle of actually trying, and probably failing, to improve things despite everything.

i never knew i wanted this game so badly until now

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