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Verisimilidude posted:http://youtu.be/kL9BQV9YPlU Arguably. Pretty sure he wouldn't make that claim himself. (And yeah, I know him a little bit).
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Siivola posted:Well I die if I eat peanuts, but yeah, in principle. You sound like you're a poo poo fighter and will never improve from there.
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May 9, 2016 06:08
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May 9, 2016 06:12
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Siivola posted:fite me irl i would and you'd lose b/c i understand where i went wrong, take my lumps, and don't do it again. your attitude towards fencing is everything wrong with both SCA and HEMA.
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May 9, 2016 06:21
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Okay I did some soul-searching and came to the conclusion I need to own up that yes, I indeed am a quitter, and that the core of my frustration last week was not the poor pedagogy but that I ended up quitting, again. And the fact I can't try again until next month. Please come fite me irl, I could really use it.
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May 9, 2016 06:52
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Siivola posted:Please come fite me irl, I could really use it. If you're really interested in fighting and in the Seattle area, feel free to hit me up.
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May 9, 2016 06:57
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hey. he may be in the wrong here but don't insult him
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May 9, 2016 11:06
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HEY GAL posted:hey. tragically, hema is even worse than sca
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May 9, 2016 20:56
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curious lump posted:tragically, hema is even worse than sca In what sense?
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May 9, 2016 22:04
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:In what sense? Sorry, for rapier. I always think of them in that context. In retrospect, I'm sure HEMA is superior in every other aspect.
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May 9, 2016 22:24
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curious lump posted:Sorry, for rapier. I always think of them in that context. In retrospect, I'm sure HEMA is superior in every other aspect. It's probably because all of the best rapierists consider themselves more classical fencers than HEMA fencers. But in my experience, the SCA fencers have a tendency to lose pretty handedly to HEMA fencers in rapier competitions.
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Verisimilidude posted:It's probably because all of the best rapierists consider themselves more classical fencers than HEMA fencers. But in my experience, the SCA fencers have a tendency to lose pretty handedly to HEMA fencers in rapier competitions. The worst SCA fencers are probably worse than the worst HEMA fencers, but I guarantee you that the best fencers are all in the SCA. I don't think anyone can watch something like the Swordfish Finals and think HEMA is good.
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So I'm assuming that since SCA rapier people fence against HEMA rapier people that the rules and allowable techniques are the same - so what's the difference? Or is this a case of cobra kai being better than dragon school etc.?
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May 10, 2016 11:33
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are we referring to the same group of people here i'm talking about the douchebags with polyester clothing and fake swords
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HEY GAL posted:are we referring to the same group of people here SCA rapier is absolute rubbish. I have little love for HEMA tournament rulesets, but SCA rapier is about as artificial and inadequate an analogue to actual rapier combat as collegiate epee fencing is.
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May 10, 2016 16:21
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Bit of a long shot but does anybody know of a good training spear? My club has a couple of 8' and 16' spears we can mess about with but I wouldn't mind one of my own for a bit of practice and maybe some mixed weapon combat.
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May 10, 2016 18:39
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Darkwood Armory makes a flexible blade for spear practice, but I have no idea how much you have to kit up to make it safe. Purpleheart Armory uses rubber heads, they're alright if a bit stiff. Purpleheart's are also available from European vendors, but I can't remember which ones.
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Siivola posted:Darkwood Armory makes a flexible blade for spear practice, but I have no idea how much you have to kit up to make it safe. Purpleheart Armory uses rubber heads, they're alright if a bit stiff. Purpleheart's are also available from European vendors, but I can't remember which ones. Thanks, looks like I may have to have a go at making some. My instructors made the spears we use and they are pretty safe plus we tend not to attack as hard as possible with them, rather if you get hit with the spear tip you tend to accept you've been hit. Before I had a long term injury I had a pretty fun sparring session that was 2v2 two people with the 8' spears me with a longsword and a friend of mine with a rapier and buckler.
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May 10, 2016 18:50
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You know what sucks? Having to switch hands cause your good one got tendonitis. How does anything even work? How do I walk?
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DandyLion posted:SCA rapier is absolute rubbish. I have little love for HEMA tournament rulesets, but SCA rapier is about as artificial and inadequate an analogue to actual rapier combat as collegiate epee fencing is. A lot of the stuff the SCA does is gimmicky bullshit, but that is not true. Everything the best fighters (not the people swinging their swords around based on some lovely wood carving) do is perfectly effective in real life. Don't mistake people who fight a very pretty historical style (Tom Leoni, Puck, etc) for being good.
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curious lump posted:A lot of the stuff the SCA does is gimmicky bullshit, but that is not true. Everything the best fighters (not the people swinging their swords around based on some lovely wood carving) do is perfectly effective in real life. How many people you seen killed by rapier cuz
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:How many people you seen killed by rapier cuz It's pretty obvious what would and would not be fatal - eg, getting a rapier point through your eye. Don't be obtuse.
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Someone explain this SCA vs HEMA stuff to me. Is the argument because there aren't enough structured rapier tournaments to give a reliable ranking system and thus indicate whose style is more effective, or is it a case of the rules being different, like what constitutes a valid touch and how to call a double touch? ...sounds like you guys need to settle this like civilised folk with a 15-point epee bout, seeing as it's objectively the best fencing weapon 
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hema is an international association of archaic martial arts enthusiasts. sca is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_Creative_Anachronism they;re the people you may have seen on the internet dressing up and hitting one another with foam swords.
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No no, SCA dudes do their armoured fighting with basket-hilted rattan sticks, not foam swords. Their rapiers are the same repros as HEMA folk use. SCA tournaments run on a honour system where you're supposed to call hits made against you. From what I've read, SCA fencers are really into it and spend a lot of time training and fencing each other. As far as controversial opinions go, "these dudes who fence a lot are really good" is kind of mild. If you're interested in the stuff, I've found Weekly Warfare decent enough a blog.
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http://www.villagevoice.com/news/fecht-club-new-yorks-women-warriors-kick-rear end-8601021 Here's a write up by the Village Voice on Fecht Yeah!, a women's online tournament set up by students in my school.
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"longsword sparring, an art that resembles foil fencing but is more difficult. Long, blunted blades and armor-like black gear replace the thin, bendy swords and white cotton uniforms." Uh... that sure sounds like an acurate description of foil and the protective gear involved. In other news, these are some pretty fun matches to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7yp8WbAosU
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ImplicitAssembler posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=733ITpn6lG4 There's only one MCW video that ever needs to be posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvQKvF33ELk
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curious lump posted:It's pretty obvious what would and would not be fatal - eg, getting a rapier point through your eye. Don't be obtuse. It's not actually very obvious, no, unless all your bouts end with a rapier through the cerebellum. SCA also practices the lightsabre rule of fencing: you get hit somewhere and that part is unusable. This stands in marked contrast with actual accounts of rapier duels, where even injuries that would eventually prove fatal did not stop the fight. So SCA is not "real life" fighting, and I'll gladly take the instruction of people that use swords to kill over people that use them to play.
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HEMA wants to revive historical martial arts. SCA prioritizes fun with swords. It's apples and oranges, really. From what I've seen the people in any group who sperg out about perfectly recreating the act of killing someone with an obsolete weapon to the finest detail are all annoying as hell. Also, those people always seem to be the first to cry because "he hit me too hard!"
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:It's not actually very obvious, no, unless all your bouts end with a rapier through the cerebellum. SCA also practices the lightsabre rule of fencing: you get hit somewhere and that part is unusable. This stands in marked contrast with actual accounts of rapier duels, where even injuries that would eventually prove fatal did not stop the fight. So SCA is not "real life" fighting, and I'll gladly take the instruction of people that use swords to kill over people that use them to play. I'd say 90% of my bouts end up with a tip on someone's face/heart/lungs, because I'm not a shitlord who cheeses to win. Some people are, but I don't consider them good fighters. Also "I'll gladly take the instruction of people that use swords to kill over people that use them to play." lmao what does this even mean are you literally retarded or something.
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curious lump posted:I'd say 90% of my bouts end up with a tip on someone's face/heart/lungs lol no they don't quote:Also "I'll gladly take the instruction of people that use swords to kill over people that use them to play." lmao what does this even mean are you literally retarded or something. Historical manuals were written by people who killed other people with swords. you play pretend and act like it's the same thing.
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:lol no they don't Lmao look at this guy. First off, I'm not an SCA fencer, but do you think they don't follow the historical masters? They're big into historical fencing, just like HEMA is, they just like to simultaneously dress up at the same time. Trying to talk poo poo but you don't even know what you're talking about? Smdh. And yeah, they do, because I'm not poo poo, and because I train realistically.
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curious lump posted:Lmao look at this guy. First off, I'm not an SCA fencer, but do you think they don't follow the historical masters? They're big into historical fencing, just like HEMA is, they just like to simultaneously dress up at the same time. Trying to talk poo poo but you don't even know what you're talking about? Smdh. homie historical fencing literally is HEMA. what do you think it stands for?
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:homie historical fencing literally is HEMA. what do you think it stands for? They're two separate organizations, but SCA still does historical fencing. They follow historical masters, do historical styles, and read historical rapier treatises. Did you have some idea that they just ran at each other with nerf bats or something? And on another note, how badly do you fight that you find 90% killing accuracy hard to believe? Do you just flail your sword around at the other guy and hope you get a tip cut on him? Do you blindly aim at his gut? Really confused here.
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curious lump posted:They're two separate organizations, but SCA still does historical fencing. They follow historical masters, do historical styles, and read historical rapier treatises. Did you have some idea that they just ran at each other with nerf bats or something? And on another note, how badly do you fight that you find 90% killing accuracy hard to believe? Do you just flail your sword around at the other guy and hope you get a tip cut on him? Do you blindly aim at his gut? Really confused here. HEMA Alliance and HEMA are different things my dude. My point re the 90% thing is that rapiers don't kill super quickly. Like there is a rash of duels where both fighters are killed when the rapier becomes popular because although a narrow puncture to most vital organs will kill you, it won't drop you like a stone. Aside from the psychological effect of wounding (shock, etc) there isn't anything stopping the person you're fighting immediately. It's one of the trickier problems to tackle with historical fencing but still worth talking about. edit: It's not confined to the rapier either, like there is a 16th century case where a dude got his brain laid open with a halberd and still made his way back to camp to get seen to by a surgeon. Rodrigo Diaz fucked around with this message at 05:05 on May 13, 2016 |
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:HEMA Alliance and HEMA are different things my dude. No, they don't kill super quickly, which is why you aim for a part that is going to kill them - if not immediately, then soon after, and cover your escape and retreat to safety until your opponents body catches up with them. That's why all my guys train for major arteries, the heart, or the head because realistically, if you hit one of those, you are probably going to kill them really quickly. Believe me, all of that is explicitly addressed in both training and sparring. None of that has anything to do with my initial points, though.
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My anecdote is: the SCA people I've seen were in even worst physical condition than the HEMA people I've seen
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Maybe it's just Scandinavia or maybe it's just my club but the HEMA people who actually compete are pretty fit. The average practitioner? Well it varies... I'd assume it's the same for SCA?
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Typical HEMA bout: Two fatties hit each other at the same time and then argue over who would have died first.
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