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Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Oh yeah it's cheap as poo poo, you're not really losing out on much. Be warned though you do have to play through everyone's story mode to get access to the actual final boss.

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PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.

In Training posted:

So that Castlevania Judgment game, does it have a story mode or are those clips from an arcade mode.

There's an arcade mode, a story mode for each character and some other single-player thing where you kill enemy mobs for a while and then fight Dracula, y'know, like in Castlevania!

It's a bad game, in case you haven't realised.

dangerdoom volvo
Nov 5, 2009

Baal posted:

It's a really lovely fighting game, but I have playing it because of how bad it is. Idk why this one in particular sets off my enjoyment of it so much over other really bad FGs, but there's something about it that just makes it easy to gently caress around and do poo poo and that's fun to me.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Idgi

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

He's calling JoJo's a bad fighting game

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
You son of a bitch

Serenade
Nov 5, 2011

"I should really learn to fucking read"
I wish there was a good Jojo fighter so I could play as Gill

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream
Same because I wanna Millia Rage but powerful.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Baal posted:

It's a really lovely fighting game, but I have playing it because of how bad it is. Idk why this one in particular sets off my enjoyment of it so much over other really bad FGs, but there's something about it that just makes it easy to gently caress around and do poo poo and that's fun to me.

this is how I feel about Primal Rage

CRISPYBABY
Dec 15, 2007

by Reene
Dumb question about a dumb exhibition event that happened a year ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esUMyuFQswU

Was Ogawa sandbagging the first two matches for the sake of friendliness? The first two matches that Daigo got were close, then it feels like Ogawa started playing at a way faster pace and just murdered Daigo for the next 6 rounds. Was that a legit adjustment or a "OK, audience had their fun, time to finish this" adjustment? It looks more like the latter to me, but I don't exactly have an expert's eye.

I know this is just dumb stupid speculation about a fun joke matchup. FGC equivalent of Couture vs. Toney. I'm just curious if there was some consensus on it. Googling around only got me dumb eventhubs threads.

bebaloorpabopalo
Nov 23, 2005

I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.
It's commonly said that Ogawa doesn't sandbag, and he's also known for not liking playing on stream. Whether it's nerves or not wanting to be studied I don't know. Basically nobody can say for sure.

Daigo played Guilty Gear back in the day, and before that event got coached by probably the best overall XRD player (Machabo) and trained against really good Zato players (Sako and Cross). He's also playing a character that can kill you in 2-3 hits, has strong mixup, ridiculously strong neutral that converts into big combos into mixups etc. The things he's doing against Zato in neutral and on defense shows a really good fundamental understanding of the game, it's poo poo that good players who have played for a long time don't do.

Also this face says it all:

bebaloorpabopalo fucked around with this message at 20:23 on May 13, 2016

dangerdoom volvo
Nov 5, 2009
of course he was going easy on him, just like lupe fiasco did

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

This is the face of a man who would murder you and your newborn child in cold blood

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

I wonder if legendary motherfucker Ogawa was pulling his punches against a street fighter player lol.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

AnonSpore posted:

This is the face of a man who would murder you and your newborn child in cold blood

but only because you have a video of one of his zato combos

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
"Hey Ogawa-san, it's Daigo. Do you wanna play a set of Street Fighter V one of these da..."


"...I see, you're busy, nevermind then."

bebaloorpabopalo
Nov 23, 2005

I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.

anime was right posted:

but only because you have a video of one of his zato combos

You have this backwards actually, it was Kuroda who got mad at Ogawa for stealing his combo/playstyle.

It's made even funnier because in the past year or so they've actually done several streams together, and Kuroda willingly showed Ogawa a XRD Zato combo that he came up with, and now everybody uses.

yo mamma a Horus
Apr 7, 2008

Nap Ghost
never, ever ask to touch his chie stick

Golden Battler
Sep 6, 2010

~Perfect and Elegant~
Something I've been wondering about for a while is, what is the purpose of the Guts system in games that have it (or something similar)? I mean, I get what it basically does, in a general sense, I just don't really understand why a develop decided to implement it, and why the system still sees use. I don't dislike it or anything, I just don't really get it, I guess.

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club
Lipstick Apathy

Golden Battler posted:

Something I've been wondering about for a while is, what is the purpose of the Guts system in games that have it (or something similar)? I mean, I get what it basically does, in a general sense, I just don't really understand why a develop decided to implement it, and why the system still sees use. I don't dislike it or anything, I just don't really get it, I guess.

To make games seem closer

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

Munsun posted:

never, ever ask to touch his chie stick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKyfgy8bN6U

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


You wouldn't touch another man's waifu. That's, like, just proper etiquette.

interrodactyl
Nov 8, 2011

you have no dignity

Golden Battler posted:

Something I've been wondering about for a while is, what is the purpose of the Guts system in games that have it (or something similar)? I mean, I get what it basically does, in a general sense, I just don't really understand why a develop decided to implement it, and why the system still sees use. I don't dislike it or anything, I just don't really get it, I guess.

guts affects how good chip damage is

yo mamma a Horus
Apr 7, 2008

Nap Ghost

lmfao i hadn't seen this. god bless

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
I hear Owaga's twitter is mostly him retweeting anime porn/JAV all day

CRISPYBABY
Dec 15, 2007

by Reene

dragon enthusiast posted:

I hear Owaga's twitter is mostly him retweeting anime porn/JAV all day

my man

NecroMonster
Jan 4, 2009

dragon enthusiast posted:

I hear Owaga's twitter is mostly him retweeting anime porn/JAV all day

eeew...

JAV

dangerdoom volvo
Nov 5, 2009
Filipino Champ Talks About His Nomination for the Bud Light All-Stars and More in Interview with Daily Dot Esports

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

right? disgusting

This tangent reminded me of one of the local MB dudes going "sometimes I think about following more people from the anime scene on Twitter, but then I realize I'd like to be able to check Twitter in public".

General Morden
Mar 3, 2013

GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA

dragon enthusiast posted:

I hear Owaga's twitter is mostly him retweeting anime porn/JAV all day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKyfgy8bN6U

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

bebaloorpabopalo posted:

You have this backwards actually, it was Kuroda who got mad at Ogawa for stealing his combo/playstyle.

It's made even funnier because in the past year or so they've actually done several streams together, and Kuroda willingly showed Ogawa a XRD Zato combo that he came up with, and now everybody uses.

i know thats what happened but ogawa would still murder 2 people over it

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

The best part of that video, by the way, is the top comment thread.

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

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Golden Battler posted:

Something I've been wondering about for a while is, what is the purpose of the Guts system in games that have it (or something similar)? I mean, I get what it basically does, in a general sense, I just don't really understand why a develop decided to implement it, and why the system still sees use. I don't dislike it or anything, I just don't really get it, I guess.

Intended effect: To artificially make matches tenser, like how MvC3 has the last 5% of the life bar hidden behind the center part of the UI.
Actual effect: Because chip damage isn't scaled, to encourage players to be more aggressive as life bars get lower.

Guts is absolutely a poo poo system and I think any form of weird abstraction hidden from the player is a loving poison on a game (see also: Hitstun decay). The only good game with Guts is MvC2.

General Morden
Mar 3, 2013

GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA
sc5 has a reverse guts system

your attacks do less damage when your life bar is in the flashing red zone

bebaloorpabopalo
Nov 23, 2005

I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.

Broken Loose posted:

Guts is absolutely a poo poo system and I think any form of weird abstraction hidden from the player is a loving poison on a game (see also: Hitstun decay).

There's a lot of... things.. with this statement but can you name a fighting game that doesn't have these things, and what qualifies as "hidden" from the player.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
guts is fine its just never clearly communicated in any capacity in addition to often being paired with damage modifiers instead of variable hp

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Broken Loose posted:

Intended effect: To artificially make matches tenser, like how MvC3 has the last 5% of the life bar hidden behind the center part of the UI.
Actual effect: Because chip damage isn't scaled, to encourage players to be more aggressive as life bars get lower.

Guts is absolutely a poo poo system and I think any form of weird abstraction hidden from the player is a loving poison on a game (see also: Hitstun decay). The only good game with Guts is MvC2.

okay

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

PROGRAM
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LR > > - -
LL > - - -

bebaloorpabopalo posted:

There's a lot of... things.. with this statement but can you name a fighting game that doesn't have these things, and what qualifies as "hidden" from the player.

I mean, I can think of one obvious example of a game off the top of my head that doesn't have hitstun decay, Guts, random damage/stun, gravity scaling, bizarre input priority (example: player 1 having priority over player 2), Danger Time, or any other mechanics that mess with hidden information in a way that's unpredictable on the fly-- Skullgirls.

I very much prefer to know what's going on in any given instant, and having my damage arbitrarily scaled in such a way as to make killing potential extremely hard to predict is a huge source of frustration. At least MvC2's version of Guts is the difference between 100 and 85 damage instead of the difference between 100 and 35 damage, and there are fewer overlapping systems that buff offense (like, for example, Negative Penalty). I'd be very supportive of Guts making chip better if projectile-based zoning wasn't discouraged in the games heavily featuring it.

anime was right posted:

guts is fine its just never clearly communicated in any capacity in addition to often being paired with damage modifiers instead of variable hp

This is a huge part of it. I like SFV stun over SF4 stun (despite stun being a poo poo mechanic as implemented in both games) because it's communicated better in SFV.

bebaloorpabopalo
Nov 23, 2005

I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.
Is that all or are you conveniently listing things and adding more qualifiers to limit it to things that aren't in Skullgirls?

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bebaloorpabopalo
Nov 23, 2005

I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.
Why is guts considered "hidden"? It isn't explicitly mentioned in the tutorial? You can see the effect in training mode. Or is it the values are not clearly defined? Are all of the values for all of the things in Skullgirls defined in game?

Also it not at all unpredictable when you know about it and how it works, but I get the feeling you added that qualifier because Skullgirls has "hidden" things that are predictable, so they're fine?

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