In Training posted:

I thought 3rd strike was cool until I realiEd that if someone actually knows how to play the game and when to parry it would probably become the most boring game in the world.

brian posted:

that may be a troll post but it's literally like the logic of 99% of people who poo poo on 3s

brian posted:

You don't have to hate playing it for a while, you just don't put expectations on the game being one thing all the time and then you can enjoy every stage of it, also you just play really good players who force you to play better and it's ridiculously fun so you get a lot of impetus to get better. That said the US 3s community is generally poisonous so I don't blame anyone for not being involved in that.

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Isn't the problem with X-Factor that it gets stronger when you're already losing?

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

You won't hear me saying "3S is a terrible game" because it's not as if parries lower the skill ceiling or anything like that, I'm just not interested in playing a game where improving organically leads you into a trap where now you have to consciously unlearn everything you know.

brian posted:

It's why that thing Pachi said about danger time resonated with me, because instinctual situations where you have to adapt in the time are the funnest parts of FGs to me by a mile, not that i necessarily agree danger time is a great implementation of that ofc

interrodactyl posted:

You fuckers weren't supposed to take the 3s bait

Golden Battler posted:

fwiw this is part of the reason why I enjoy soku, because the weather system changes things up pretty well. I mean you have some bullshit like Tempest or River Mist but that's a problem with execution rather than theory, and even those can be used in some cool ways like setting up unblockable supers with tempest.

HMS Boromir posted:

Soku is a fun poo poo game

Dias posted:

(put alex in the trash can)

Luceid posted:

especially if you like to play bad characters in it, like me, because i love the bad game and i love ice-skating uphill!!

interrodactyl posted:

Sakuya is top tier in iamp play iamp instead

HMS Boromir posted:

We both play Sakuya so we're scumbags, but I think we both just picked her because we like Sakuya. I certainly had no concept of tiers when I first started playing her in SWR eight (christ) years ago.

bebaloorpabopalo posted:

Broken Loose posted:

Guts is considered hidden because at no point (save for 100% HP) can a player clearly predict how much damage their attacks will do due to the amount of overlapping behind the scenes math.

As an example, Skullgirls More Different introduced Drama, which was a combo length limitation system to complement the Infinite Prevention System. Every attack did a certain amount of Drama and it would drain at a specific rate when out of hitstun or blockstun. Skullgirls Unfinished Business put a meter onscreen to show how much Drama you had. This is the difference between bad implementation and good implementation.

It's just like what I said with stun in SF4 vs. stun in SFV. SFV shows stun visually, so it feels less random and less arbitrary. I hate the fact that stun is accumulated in situations other than counter-hits, as all it's good for at that point is allowing way too much damage, but it's still possible to make a lovely mechanic shittier by implementing it in a bad way.

The values for all things SG2E are defined and discernible from what you're doing. Defense modifiers don't exist, bonuses from things like taunts have clear visual indicators, IPS is obvious, physics don't change with combo length, and there's even a reset indicator. It's very easy to make up a combo on the fly and know that it'll work because you don't have to worry about hitstun decay loving with your poo poo. You can invest all your resources into a punish that looks like it'll kill without the risk of it arbitrarily not being able to kill due to fuckery between how much HP the opponent had left and how much HP it looked like they had. There are clear visual indicators of things like counter-hits, overheads, assist states, and so on. Nothing feels arbitrary outside of mixups and setups.


I'm sure Mike Z probably disagrees with half of what I say, given that he put Drama into MDE without a meter, he loves Guilty Gear which I loving hate, he thinks Filia isn't redundant, 3rd Strike is one of his favorite games which I think is a gigantic piece of poo poo, and he likes juggalo music which is objectively terrible. My viewpoints come from the position of somebody who plays and designs board games, so I prefer clear rules with as little bullshit in the way as possible.

General Morden posted:

do you have a HQ version of that poster

because if you print out that version, it's gonna look p. bad

Broken Loose posted:

I hate the fact that stun is accumulated in situations other than counter-hits, as all it's good for at that point is allowing way too much damage, but it's still possible to make a lovely mechanic shittier by implementing it in a bad way.

Spermgod posted:

under this logic invisible hitboxes during gameplay are pretty much inexcusable so i guess that rules out every fighting game ever