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KozmoNaut posted:Woah, he has not aged well. I thought he was some kind of immortal vampire or something. 
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May 16, 2016 09:10
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KozmoNaut posted:Woah, he has not aged well. I thought he was some kind of immortal vampire or something. No, that was the rest of the world
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May 16, 2016 09:35
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Code Jockey posted:No, that was the rest of the world  Actually, best not use that emote, seeing as Billy Corgan's now Head Creative for TNA.
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May 16, 2016 10:27
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When I said over the years I miss Billy Corgan's 'I have hair' stage...I didn't mean that hobo beard.
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May 16, 2016 12:27
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Lol, it's funny because it's true  .Also holy poo poo @ corgan now. He really doesn't look too good  . Pumpkins were my favorite band in high school, and one of the groups that showed me what massively layering sounds could do.
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May 16, 2016 12:31
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Not that I don't enjoy live music chat, but what does it have to do with obsolete and failed technology? To contribute. The announcement that the next Battlefield game will be set in WW1 renewed my interest in the subject, so here's a related obsolete technology: the anti-tank gun.  In this picture is a captured Mauser 1918 T-Gewehr, a 13mm/.525 caliber monster that weighed 40 pounds and required a two-man crew. Imagined has a new favorite as of 14:16 on May 16, 2016 |
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May 16, 2016 13:59
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Forgotten Weapons has a couple of videos on that topic. About that rifle specifically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko9A3ZbN8ZU An early WW2 german rifle, firing a relatively small 8mm (.31) bullet but with a massive charge kicking it out at 3800fps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jupKqqqgBJM An early WW2 british one. Quote, "Pretty much everyone says [shooting one is] like getting kicked in the face, or hit in the face with a 2x4. Remarkably unpleasant guns to shoot, by all accounts." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOnhPtqj3Jo
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May 16, 2016 15:02
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Imagined posted:Not that I don't enjoy live music chat, but what does it have to do with obsolete and failed technology? Those guys are *thin*! I thought that the Brits had good food supplies all the way through the war? Maybe it is just the cooking? 
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May 16, 2016 15:36
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Letmebefrank posted:Those guys are *thin*! I thought that the Brits had good food supplies all the way through the war? I hate to break it to you but aside from the guy in the back middle they all have pretty normal builds. Maybe your idea of a normal weight is just broken? 
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May 16, 2016 19:41
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DicktheCat posted:The only type of band I've not had this problem with has been ska. I guess ska just sounds like ska no matter if it's live or recorded. Reel Big Fish puts on a fun show wnyway, though. It's funny you should mention that, I saw Reel Big Fish last year with Suburban Legends opening for them, and I remember thinking the same thing. Both bands just had amazing sound quality in every aspect. Everything was tight. Whereas in the same venue I've heard bands sounding like poo poo. I don't know how they do it.
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May 16, 2016 19:54
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Phlegmish posted:It's funny you should mention that, I saw Reel Big Fish last year with Suburban Legends opening for them, and I remember thinking the same thing. Both bands just had amazing sound quality in every aspect. Everything was tight. Whereas in the same venue I've heard bands sounding like poo poo. I don't know how they do it. Good sounding live stuff does kinda tie in to the thread topic, because there are a lot of concepts and tech that came into play when bands were starting to explore loudness and large venues, which still persist to this day even though technology has advanced a lot. Generally (larger venues) the band will be running everything into a mixer and through the PA - so the amps are miked, at least kick drum, snare, and overheads, vocals, etc. Thing is, the band needs to hear themselves as well, so there's small monitor speakers set up facing them. This, combined with the volume of the actual amps and drums, can mean that the band members are all fighting for the ability to hear wtf they're playing. A good venue will have individual monitor mixes so the band members only hear what they need (bassist will only hear the kick and snare for example). A good band will take that further and use in-ear monitors to completely cut the need for extra external noise and allow an even better tailored mix. These mixes can be EQed totally different than what goes through the PA, because what the band needs to hear is not the same as what the audience wants to hear. And, since it's on the band's side, they're skipping those venue stage monitors which could be less than ideal. When there's no monitors (or no specific monitor mix) you get situations where one element may completely overpower everything else, and that leads to all sorts of headache inducing live sound/poor performances. Thing is, it takes some adjustment to get used to hearing your stuff played back through headphones live, when you're used to the sound literally moving large amounts of air all around you. It can make errors in tuning, tone, and performance way more prominent for the band, and I think there's still a feeling that "it's a live show, it should have Emotion and not be perfect!" as a defense mechanism to those deficiencies being brought to the front (an audience member is likely to notice those issues just from the PA mix, but hey, the band wants to give them the most authentic experience!)
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May 16, 2016 21:34
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Where you're sitting matters a lot too. We recently saw Bruce Springsteen in the local enormodome and, from where we were sitting way up in the nosebleeds, it sounded a little harsh and it was hard to distinguish individual instruments. (Although if you get the chance to see Springsteen loving do it because he STILL, in his 60s, puts on the greatest rock'n'roll shows on Earth with just mindblowing, super-human stamina.) Anyway we then bought the recording of the show on his website (which is amazing, you can buy lossless recordings of every show on his recent tour -- all bands should do this) and the sound was perfect and beautiful. I have to wonder if the people closer to the sweet spot heard it more like that. At a different show, the Flaming Lips, we were right up at the stage. After a little bit we got tired of getting crushed against the barricades by douchebros, so we moved more out to the middle of the middle -- and the sound was WAY better there than it was right at the front of the stage.
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May 16, 2016 21:41
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jam bands like Phish always sound good live. Umphrey's McGee has a program called Headphones and Snowcones that lets you rent a set of Sennheiser ear monitors and ATH-M50x studio quality headphones to let you listen to the live mix, right off the board, at the show, and they sell hi def recordings of every show as well. we've come a long way from trading tapes in seedy head shops
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May 16, 2016 21:42
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The_White_Crane posted:I hate to break it to you but aside from the guy in the back middle they all have pretty normal builds. The guy in the left foreground is also an officer, so is extra unlikely to be underfed. Foreground right guy belongs to the New Zealand artillery regiment, and that coat with the outside pockets is still parade dress throughout the army today. I can't decide whether that's 100 years obsolete or incredibly long lived design.
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May 16, 2016 21:46
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Bargearse posted:I saw him a few years back when I got dragged along to a Shannon Noll show. Dude's coming up on his seventies now and he's still got it.
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May 16, 2016 22:40
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Imagined posted:Where you're sitting matters a lot too. We recently saw Bruce Springsteen in the local enormodome and, from where we were sitting way up in the nosebleeds, it sounded a little harsh and it was hard to distinguish individual instruments. quote:When we record and mix a band, we are creating an illusion. In the studio, that might mean replicating the impression of having the band straightforwardly perform to the listener; but it frequently does not, and we all have an arsenal of mixing tricks that can make sources sound 'big' rather than necessarily 'real'. With a live recording, by contrast, the aim is usually to capture the experience of being there in front of the band. As anyone who's ever recorded a gig using a handheld recorder will know, there can be a huge difference between a convincing live multitrack mix of a gig, and a faithful capture of what it actually sounded like in the audience. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul13/articles/mixing-live-recording.htm Here's a big budget example of the mixing of the sound for Scorcese's Rolling Stones dvds: https://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb09/articles/it_0209.htm Anyway, the point is that the recordings you bought aren't a great reference for what you could have heard from the best seat in the house on that night, because the recordings are carefully crafted, massaged and in essence, mix-wise, a recreation of an idealised version of that. From source material that might not even be ideally suited to the job, as counterintuitive as that may seem. If done competently, you wouldn't know the difference, but it requires a lot of work, skill and trickery. Otherwise, the point stands, of course. Each venue has good and bad seats.
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Flipperwaldt posted:From the first article here, if you want to read up about the technical nitty gritty: I doubt Springsteen is doing much "massaging" of the recordings, seeing as they're posted within about 2 weeks of the show, and he's releasing every show on the tour this year. But yes, I know there are often all kinds of shenanigans on live records, like KISS overdubbing for 'Alive', patching it together from the best takes of each song over the whole tour, adding crowd noise, etc. The E Street Band, however, are one of the most legendary live acts in rock history. I doubt they touch up much.
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May 17, 2016 03:20
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Billy 'Cabbage Patch' Corgan posted:And I would argue in the world that I live in, which is the bareknuckle world, they’re leveraging their position because they don’t have power.
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May 17, 2016 03:29
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John Big Booty posted:Now that's just hilarious. It's weird that the artists that used to be a big deal are still dying, it's just a different kind of death than real death.
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May 17, 2016 04:01
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Phrasing posted:The beeper. I remember setting all the codes with my friends so we could basically skip the callback if possible. We had location codes, so we could page on another and say "Meet me here", and activity codes, and people codes...
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May 17, 2016 04:13
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Aren't beepers on a different cell network that's more robust or something like that? Maybe not after cell lines switched from analog to digital, but I remember that being a thing and the primary reason doctors had beepers even after cells dropped from insanely expensive to just sorta expensive
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May 17, 2016 04:16
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Samizdata posted:I remember setting all the codes with my friends so we could basically skip the callback if possible. We had location codes, so we could page on another and say "Meet me here", and activity codes, and people codes... The only codes I still remember are the "buying drugs" codes.
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May 17, 2016 04:26
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Sentient Data posted:Aren't beepers on a different cell network that's more robust or something like that? Maybe not after cell lines switched from analog to digital, but I remember that being a thing and the primary reason doctors had beepers even after cells dropped from insanely expensive to just sorta expensive Pagers were also popular back when restricting cell phones from places that didn't already require a full-blown security clearance or materially valid NDA was a feasible thing to do.
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May 17, 2016 04:30
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Sentient Data posted:Aren't beepers on a different cell network that's more robust or something like that? Maybe not after cell lines switched from analog to digital, but I remember that being a thing and the primary reason doctors had beepers even after cells dropped from insanely expensive to just sorta expensive Doctors liked pagers because they had an excuse to call back at their leisure when it’s not an emergency, instead of being expected to pick up immediately no matter what they were doing.
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May 17, 2016 04:32
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I had one in the early 90s for work and it would send me news updates every so often. Then I found a free web-interface so my friends could send me text messages for laughs. I don't think it was ever actually used for work.
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May 17, 2016 05:02
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Imagined posted:Not that I don't enjoy live music chat, but what does it have to do with obsolete and failed technology? Sounds like a wimpy gun for effete German pansies. Also obsolete, but way scarier, is the Lahti anti-tank rifle from WW2 Finland  Which is basically a man-portable 20mm cannon on a stupid looking sled.
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Totally Reasonable posted:Sounds like a wimpy gun for effete German pansies. Also obsolete, but way scarier, is the Lahti anti-tank rifle from WW2 Finland A rifle prominently featured in neocon masturbatory fantasy novel "Unintended Consequences".
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May 17, 2016 05:53
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Croccers posted:Is Shannon Noll obsolete? Last time I noticed he was shilling for Radio Rentals (Not a band, white/small/electronic/furniture goods rental place). Past the point of maximum fame, at least. Never been a big fan of his myself, but he does know how to put on a fun live show and he's a nice guy.
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May 17, 2016 06:29
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Croccers posted:Is Shannon Noll obsolete? Last time I noticed he was shilling for Radio Rentals (Not a band, white/small/electronic/furniture goods rental place). He sold his soul (patch) to the devil
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Totally Reasonable posted:Sounds like a wimpy gun for effete German pansies. Also obsolete, but way scarier, is the Lahti anti-tank rifle from WW2 Finland For a more modern use of the L-39, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPhSxDwhTIA
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Gromit posted:I had one in the early 90s for work and it would send me news updates every so often. Then I found a free web-interface so my friends could send me text messages for laughs. I don't think it was ever actually used for work. We used early RIM pagers with 3 line LCDs and a full keyboard. Those were the poo poo. Ran off an AA battery for weeks and could be passed to a different tech each shift to keep track of outages and communicate with management.
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Sentient Data posted:Aren't beepers on a different cell network that's more robust or something like that? Maybe not after cell lines switched from analog to digital, but I remember that being a thing and the primary reason doctors had beepers even after cells dropped from insanely expensive to just sorta expensive My hospital still has pagers for this very reason. It was only this year we finally actually got cell reception within the building itself. Before that it was pagers only for everything. I still have one of those black poo poo bricks and every so often it rings like an hour before the pager app on my cell phone does.
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May 18, 2016 04:44
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Sir Unimaginative posted:Pagers were also popular back when restricting cell phones from places that didn't already require a full-blown security clearance or materially valid NDA was a feasible thing to do. Yeah, they are still used for that, just the full-blow clearance part. Everyone I work with has a pager because we can't bring cell phones into the office. It's a good way to get ahold of people when you have no idea if they are in/out of the office. The plans are surprisingly expensive. I think it's either 19.99 or 29.99 a month per pager.
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May 18, 2016 06:28
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Plinkey posted:Yeah, they are still used for that, just the full-blow clearance part. Everyone I work with has a pager because we can't bring cell phones into the office. It's a good way to get ahold of people when you have no idea if they are in/out of the office. Huh, that's about $20 or $30 more than I'd have expected
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Years ago I was told that cell phone use in hospitals were prohibited due to a chance they could screw up medical equipment. I seem to even recall the 'you can't use a phone in the hospital!' was a plot point in TV shows and movies. However, at some point, that has practically vanished.
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JediTalentAgent posted:Years ago I was told that cell phone use in hospitals were prohibited due to a chance they could screw up medical equipment. I seem to even recall the 'you can't use a phone in the hospital!' was a plot point in TV shows and movies. I can't believe that sort of talk for some reason. Isn't part of the FCC testing meant to determine if a radio source can interfere with other equipment?
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May 18, 2016 08:25
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Imagined posted:Not that I don't enjoy live music chat, but what does it have to do with obsolete and failed technology? Separatists in Ukraine use PTRDs, not for its intended purpose of course, PTRS showed up in photos early on and in the famous video of a guy shooting it standing up, and then mostly disappeared. Mostly everyone switched to RPGs as soon as they became available.
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Plinkey posted:Yeah, they are still used for that, just the full-blow clearance part. Everyone I work with has a pager because we can't bring cell phones into the office. It's a good way to get ahold of people when you have no idea if they are in/out of the office. My company used pagers for IT oncall up until about 8 years ago, and phazed the out for cell phones, then iPhones. The biggest reason we switched was the pagers we going from $12 a month to $20, and cell phones costed us a few bucks more per month. JediTalentAgent posted:Years ago I was told that cell phone use in hospitals were prohibited due to a chance they could screw up medical equipment. I seem to even recall the 'you can't use a phone in the hospital!' was a plot point in TV shows and movies. The cell phones can disrupt medical equipment, airplane equipment, etc thing has always struck me as pretty stupid. If there was any truth to it in even a slightly dangerous way, do you think that they would even let you take a phone in to a hospital or airplane? They used to say the samething about laptops on airplanes in the 90's. I remember an episode of Sliders where Quinn cobbled together a device and shot a beam at a ship that was chasing them and then gave the Star Trek simplified explanation that it disrupted their navigational systems "like turning on a mega laptop in side their ship". I wish I could find a clip of it.
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You can still see this kind of hallway pager in older office buildings and public institutions like universities and government agencies.  It's really hard to google, since the search terms are so generic, and the system probably hasn't been in use since the 1980s. The lights can be lit, unlit or blinking. Each person has their own unique pattern, and when someone is paged the pager starts signalling their pattern. When someone called, and the person they wanted didn't pick up, they would get connected to the operator at the phone switchboard who could offer to page the person they wanted. Anyone know a more specific search term than "office pager"? These were everywhere in Sweden, don't know about other countries.
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