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Unless I'm misremembering, 2011 was the last time a super high draft pick was stashed, right? (Jonas V) Do you really think that'll happen again?
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I said Porzingis was gonna be good because I believe in my son.
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May 22, 2016 18:25
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Tae posted:Unless I'm misremembering, 2011 was the last time a super high draft pick was stashed, right? (Jonas V) Do you really think that'll happen again? Embiid in 2014
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May 22, 2016 18:30
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IcePhoenix posted:Embiid in 2014 Two lottery picks in that draft and neither have played a minute.
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May 22, 2016 18:34
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Tae posted:Unless I'm misremembering, 2011 was the last time a super high draft pick was stashed, right? (Jonas V) Do you really think that'll happen again? Depends how you're defining "super high" I guess? Most of the euro guys are being projected mid to late first anyway
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May 22, 2016 19:00
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Hand Row posted:Two lottery picks in that draft and neither have played a minute. Good thing that's about to change.
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May 22, 2016 19:03
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Yeah Saric will probably get some minutes
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May 22, 2016 19:05
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It's kind of crazy that it's been more than two years since Joel Embiid has played in a basketball game. Has there been anything comparable for a successful NBA player?
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May 22, 2016 19:39
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Adun posted:It's kind of crazy that it's been more than two years since Joel Embiid has played in a basketball game. Maybe Bill Walton?
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May 22, 2016 19:40
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WhyteRyce posted:Pat Connaughton broke the Combine last year and now everyone is cheating Maybe they didn't game the measurements Maybe PEDs are just getting a lot better 
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May 22, 2016 19:55
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A PED that bulks up your arm so much that you can't fully raise and extend your arm, but also increases your vertical like 20%
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May 22, 2016 20:21
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Adun posted:It's kind of crazy that it's been more than two years since Joel Embiid has played in a basketball game.
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:Not injuries, but Robinson had those 2 years after college where he was in the Navy and didn't play real games.
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May 22, 2016 21:11
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Even if Embiid plays I can't imagine him being as good as Robinson, or even particularly close. Is he ready to go for playing next year yet?
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May 22, 2016 21:36
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lmao that dude Furkan kormaz on Saric's team shot 35% from 2 in euroleague
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May 22, 2016 21:51
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Even if Embiid plays I can't imagine him being as good as Robinson, or even particularly close. Is he ready to go for playing next year yet? Schrodinger's Embiid
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straight up brolic posted:lmao that dude Furkan kormaz on Saric's team shot 35% from 2 in euroleague On less than 50 attempts though. I have no idea how scouts do their jobs, projecting gawky young euro guys seems impossible. I streamed a little euroleague in the afternoons and saw 2 of his games. When his man is tight on him at the perimeter, he starts his dribble moves by turning 45 or 90 degrees and dribbling laterally from the defender, somehow this works, and then he gets a layup. Most of his interior scoring is based on craftiness and length, he's a good ball handler once he's on the move, he can work up speed but seems to have a slow first few steps, I don't know how many spins and cradles he'll be able to use against NBA length and agility. His three point shooting seems to be real, but always in european leagues teams seem to forget to cover good three point shooters, so it's hard to be overly impressed with his percentages.
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Dejan Bimble posted:On less than 50 attempts though. I have no idea how scouts do their jobs, projecting gawky young euro guys seems impossible. I streamed a little euroleague in the afternoons and saw 2 of his games. When his man is tight on him at the perimeter, he starts his dribble moves by turning 45 or 90 degrees and dribbling laterally from the defender, somehow this works, and then he gets a layup. Most of his interior scoring is based on craftiness and length, he's a good ball handler once he's on the move, he can work up speed but seems to have a slow first few steps, I don't know how many spins and cradles he'll be able to use against NBA length and agility. I've always wondered this myself. I know people laughed at Maciej Lampe dropping like a rock the year he was picked, but I've never seen anything quite like it, and it made me wonder, what did he do between initially becoming known among scouts to be considered a lottery level pick and then all of the sudden not even rate guaranteed money? It seems like a massive dropoff (even if it turned out to be correct). Mind, I also thought Russell Westbrook was going to be a bust based on his mediocre college stats.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I've always wondered this myself. I know people laughed at Maciej Lampe dropping like a rock the year he was picked, but I've never seen anything quite like it, and it made me wonder, what did he do between initially becoming known among scouts to be considered a lottery level pick and then all of the sudden not even rate guaranteed money? It seems like a massive dropoff (even if it turned out to be correct). Lampe specifically was revealed to have no contract buyout on the day before the draft. I think Declan answered this question for any other case, when I asked him, with camps being the most important thing, and then all star games. European basketball has a professional but not always paid u-18 level that's like medium level high school basketball in talent, and guys can look good in u-18 and then terrible against adult pros the next year. A european prospect could play in workouts against NBA level athletes and suddenly look completely overmatched and overwhelmed.
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May 22, 2016 22:55
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The "ridiculous contrarian pick inspired by bad talk radio" has already emerged amongst Lakers fans. People are with a straight face suggesting the Lakers take Bender #2.
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May 24, 2016 03:30
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Rick posted:The "ridiculous contrarian pick inspired by bad talk radio" has already emerged amongst Lakers fans. People are with a straight face suggesting the Lakers take Bender #2. I'm sure the reasoning is "look we all laughed at The Zinger but wouldn't you rather have him over Russell?!?!"
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May 24, 2016 04:11
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UPSIDE or something These are the same people who thought Robert Upshaw was going to be an All Star and were furious when he didn't make the team.
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MourningView posted:UPSIDE or something And then were convinced the Lakers were playing 11th dimensional chess when he wasn't getting much playing time in the D-League
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May 24, 2016 05:22
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Hilariously they haven't given up on him. Soon as that rehab is over he's the Lakers starting championship center.
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May 24, 2016 06:12
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Adun posted:It's kind of crazy that it's been more than two years since Joel Embiid has played in a basketball game. Roy Tarpley
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Rick posted:The "ridiculous contrarian pick inspired by bad talk radio" has already emerged amongst Lakers fans. People are with a straight face suggesting the Lakers take Bender #2. Hopefully, there is a difference between taking a look at the guy and taking a flyer on him at the number two spot. Non-US players can slip through the cracks and be underestimated because they aren't playing against better understood competition (US collegiate), but Ingram slots in just about perfectly to the Lakers, and I doubt they would pass on Simmons even though that would probably mean trading Randle (or Simmons for the right veteran). Simmons would most likely have more trade potential than Bender (for Cousins, for example), and having a solid veteran would be more likely to attract other veterans than a bunch of young potential. There's always the trade down option if they can get enough for their second pick out of Boston and they think Bender is worth it and whatever else they get, but that's the only way I see them taking Bender as it stands.
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May 24, 2016 18:29
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From the recent Aldridge article Simmons has no problems with Philadelphia so cool that drama won't happen.
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Adun posted:It's kind of crazy that it's been more than two years since Joel Embiid has played in a basketball game. I can't think of two years, but Blake Griffin skipped his first one and ended up okay.
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Serious question: As someone who doesn't really follow the NBA; can someone explain to me why Deyonta Davis is a lottery pick while Caleb Swanigan isn't even in most people's top 60s? Also  if Swanigan actually declares for the draft this year (assuming there isn't some sort of personal/financial issue)Edit: Not saying they should be rated similarly but I don't really understand the large discrepancy. ColdBlooded fucked around with this message at 01:12 on May 25, 2016 |
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May 25, 2016 01:09
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euphronius posted:From the recent Aldridge article Simmons has no problems with Philadelphia so cool that drama won't happen. However, there's at least some noise that Philly is still at least toying with Ingram, so it might.
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ColdBlooded posted:Serious question: As someone who doesn't really follow the NBA; can someone explain to me why Deyonta Davis is a lottery pick while Caleb Swanigan isn't even in most people's top 60s? Deyonta has ideal PF height and athleticism, he's really tall, long, and pretty quick, very bouncy. Offense is a lot easier for bigs like that, you have them run to the rim, throw them the ball, they make one dribble, and go for the basket. Swanigan has the NCAA curse, he's basically a power forward with NBA small forward size. He can't shoot, and he's not an ideal athlete. His game is obviously more polished than Davis, but he doesn't project to be a special player. He'd have to become a much better shooter, develop better handles, passing, get physically stronger, really everything. Davis really just needs to learn to be a roll man and learn what to do on defense, his body is his ticket. Cruel NBA reality. You're a freak but not you're enough of a super freak, go back to school. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 01:52 on May 25, 2016 |
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In addition to the size/athletics stuff, Davis was good when he played. He was just on a loaded team and he didn't get a ton of minutes. He's super raw but you can see the potential. Swanigan got more time and certainly wasn't shy about shooting but he was awful
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I'm glad you guys cleared this up, because he seems kinda Chris Wilcox-ish otherwise.
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Dejan Bimble posted:Swanigan has the NCAA curse, he's basically a power forward with NBA small forward size. He can't shoot, and he's not an ideal athlete. His game is obviously more polished than Davis, but he doesn't project to be a special player. He'd have to become a much better shooter, develop better handles, passing, get physically stronger, really everything. Swanigan has size, but with the way he plays right now he'd be an active detriment to the offense of any team that would draft or sign him. He's not athletic enough to be the kind of player who could make up for lack of offensive ability by being a putback-dunk-alleyoop specialist like DeAndre Jordan. Crazy Ted fucked around with this message at 05:22 on May 25, 2016 |
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Adun posted:It's kind of crazy that it's been more than two years since Joel Embiid has played in a basketball game. There's only one comparison for Embiid and that's Michael Jordan breaking his leg in his second season
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Rick posted:However, there's at least some noise that Philly is still at least toying with Ingram, so it might. If they think Okafor is a long term 4 then whatever. I guess Ingram is fine. I see a slight possibility Okafor could pan out at four with experience and conditioning. The coaches obv know way more than us. I def think Okafor will be a decent outside shooter including the three ball eventually. The rumors support what you are saying and there is no real reason to smoke being interested in Ingram so they probably are. euphronius fucked around with this message at 13:07 on May 25, 2016 |
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May 25, 2016 13:05
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Okafor is kind of a disaster defensively in general but it'd be especially bad at the 4
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I know . I said if the coaches can see him panning out at 4 defense with a few years of work and experience then ok I guess that is a plan. I mean he just had his age 19-20 season. He's quite young. I'd rather just take Simmons and trade Okafor.
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euphronius posted:If they think Okafor is a long term 4 then whatever. I guess Ingram is fine. I see a slight possibility Okafor could pan out at four with experience and conditioning. The coaches obv know way more than us. I def think Okafor will be a decent outside shooter including the three ball eventually. I think you might be the only person on the planet who thinks Okafor has any shot to play the 4.
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The sixers consider Okafor a 4 so.. Idk.
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