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THE DOG HOUSE posted:I'd like to throw some compatibility info with at least one specific model of case into the mix since this comes up a lot when people are interested in these style cases. My build is pretty similar in the RVZ02 with the same power supply. I went with it because there is a ghetto way to put a 3.5" drive, literally ripping out a mounting post and shoving the drive in there. There is no mechanical decoupling at all and it's not mounted securely, so it is loud. I have an EVGA 980Ti which is a bit narrower than the MSI, and an i7-5775C cooled with a Cyrorig C7. The CPU runs hotter than it should, but I read an article saying most stock paste isn't enough for the 5775c because it also has the eDRAM generating heat, so when I switch my system from an H97 board to a Z97, I will repaste it. I probably would have gone with the SH13B if I had to do it all over again, since I have an extra CLC sitting around, it properly supports a 3.5" drive and is actually cheaper. The fit and finish isn't as nice as the Raven, but it shaves off 1.5 liters.
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I didn't see it mentioned, but Caselabs has a new line, including Mitx Bigger than some, smaller than others.  
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Granite Octopus posted:My plans are to put Fedora on it, plug in a big external disk and use it as my downloading/TV show storing box. I know I could get a NAS for not a great deal more, but I really don't need the redundancy and I like that this should have significantly more horsepower. I also don't need the speed and I have a bunch of external drives lying around so the storage part is practically free. You should have gone with an Avoton mobo/processor, ECC is important for servers. You can still hit the mITX formfactor - the C2550 has a low enough TDP to run passively, the C2750 needs a small fan if you are running at high load. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASRock-C255...7AAAMXQVERSsgUU (by the way this is one of those mITX mobos with 4 sockets for memory) http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Box-M350-Universal-Mini-ITX-Computer/dp/B005TX3LA4 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005TWE5E6/ Or, if you're being cheap as hell, an Athlon 5350 combo with an Asus AM1M-A can currently be had for like $40 at MicroCenter. That specific motherboard also supports ECC RAM - AM1 processors do support ECC RAM internally but most AM1 motherboards don't support it. It's 25W TDP so you can also run that on a passive cooler or a small fan, dalthough there may be space problems with a larger passive cooler in that case. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 22:31 on May 22, 2016 |
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Are those avotons grunty enough for plex 1080p transcoding?
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Are those avotons grunty enough for plex 1080p transcoding? Plex doesn't really need ECC, you're not persisting the data so errors don't really matter. You can generally get a more powerful machine for the money if you don't need ECC, but I do advocate for it on machines that are handling data that will be persisted (NAS/fileservers, SABNZBD/torrent machines, etc). With something like the 5350 it doesn't really cost anything extra. I'm not familiar with the requirements of Plex so I can't answer that directly, but here's some benchmarks of the 5350 and the C2750 that you might be able to interpret: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7933/the-desktop-kabini-review-part-1-athlon-5350-am1/3 Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 23:00 on May 22, 2016 |
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VulgarandStupid posted:My build is pretty similar in the RVZ02 with the same power supply. I went with it because there is a ghetto way to put a 3.5" drive, literally ripping out a mounting post and shoving the drive in there. There is no mechanical decoupling at all and it's not mounted securely, so it is loud. I have an EVGA 980Ti which is a bit narrower than the MSI, and an i7-5775C cooled with a Cyrorig C7. The CPU runs hotter than it should, but I read an article saying most stock paste isn't enough for the 5775c because it also has the eDRAM generating heat, so when I switch my system from an H97 board to a Z97, I will repaste it. Cool, yeah after delidding you'll be on easy street. I prefer this case layout because of how thin it is it fits anywhere. But I definitely understand the desire for the more squatter style. My issue with this 980ti was actually the height , it pushed the limit
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Are those avotons grunty enough for plex 1080p transcoding? I can play 1080p blu-ray images quite happily at a variety of transcoded resolutions on a C2750 (running freenas with plex in a Jail). CPU usage gets pretty high though:  May not work on the C2550.
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Well, haha it does look like it is just barely powerful enough for that. However it might not be enough for me though... I am planning on building a NAS/Plex server with both being equally important and I don't care enough to spend the money for a Xeon, so I might honestly sacrifice the ECC for processor oomph.
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Have you looked into the Xeon E3 series? The latest is v5/Skylake - they're basically just desktop processors with server features added, and their prices roughly match the desktop processors (starting at around i5-6600 level, no dual cores here) so you wouldn't be paying a Xeon premium as long as you could find a compatible motherboard that works for you at a good price. You probably don't need ECC though, that seems like it would only be necessary if stability is paramount or you have persistent data being created that can't have errors. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 14:28 on May 23, 2016 |
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Talaii posted:I can play 1080p blu-ray images quite happily at a variety of transcoded resolutions on a C2750 (running freenas with plex in a Jail). CPU usage gets pretty high though: Is the 705% number mean the 8 cores are running at ~90% or is there another number I'm supposed to be looking at? Got a sweet deal on this board, just waiting on drives, and was hoping to stream to multiple people. I can always have a separate machine handle that, so no big deal.
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Well, haha it does look like it is just barely powerful enough for that. However it might not be enough for me though... I am planning on building a NAS/Plex server with both being equally important and I don't care enough to spend the money for a Xeon, so I might honestly sacrifice the ECC for processor oomph. You can get ECC support with i3 as well.
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Wow, I never realized that but it makes sense if they're not going to bother selling dual-core Xeon E3s. It looks like all of the dual-core desktop chips do since Haswell actually, Ark lists support on Pentiums and Celerons as well. That makes ideas for a low power but full functionality home server a lot easier.
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Yeah I got a g3258, but I'm really not interested in paying $200 for a mini-itx c226, plus whatever extra ECC ram is. I think I can risk a zfs pool being corrupted for a home plex server. It's just video lol
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Triikan posted:Is the 705% number mean the 8 cores are running at ~90% or is there another number I'm supposed to be looking at? Got a sweet deal on this board, just waiting on drives, and was hoping to stream to multiple people. I can always have a separate machine handle that, so no big deal. If you're not re-encoding, it'll basically do whatever (and unless you're running a really slow network or old devices, you shouldn't need to re-encode the video often). If you ARE re-encoding, it's not quite as bad as it looks. That's pretty much your worst-case scenario - stupidly high-bitrate bluray image to high-bit-rate 1080p output. On further investigation, it also drops significantly after a few minutes, so I assume it's just pre-encoding a bunch incase something goes wrong. Either way, I can definitely play a couple of streams simultaneously, re-encoding both to 10mbit 1080p.
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Yeah I got a g3258, but I'm really not interested in paying $200 for a mini-itx c226, plus whatever extra ECC ram is. I think I can risk a zfs pool being corrupted for a home plex server. It's just video lol Are you sure you need a special motherboard? The memory controller is inside the processor, I think the motherboard just provides traces and power. I agree that it's not that big of a deal for a Plex server in particular, it was just interesting to me because I recently set up a home server based on an old X58 system. It works great but is kind of overkill and uses around 100W, so I was thinking how it would be nice to get a newer and lower powered dual-core. Probably not worth the expense but it's something to keep in mind for the future. ECC memory tends to be pretty expensive new (especially since most of it is registered too and that won't work in a desktop board), but if you're willing to risk eBay it's not bad. I got a matched 3x4GB set for the system mentioned above for $17 a stick, which is about what normal memory costs. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 20:21 on May 23, 2016 |
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Dunno this third party seller but they're selling a Tyan Mini ITX C222 board for $140. It comes only with the absolute bare minimum of goodies on the back, a grand total of one VGA, 2 USB3, and ethernet ports. http://www.amazon.com/Tyan-Computer-S5533gm2nr-S1150-Mini-itx/dp/B00KKSEDYQ http://www.tyan.com/Motherboards_S5533_S5533GM2NR-LE If you want to go even cheaper for ECC you might have to wait to see how Zen pans out. Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 17:01 on May 23, 2016 |
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Skull Canyon NUC reviews. Still worse than a GT760. http://anandtech.com/show/10343/the-intel-skull-canyon-nuc6i7kyk-minipc-review/4
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Is anyone expecting it to be otherwise? It would be a hell of a thing to fit midrange discrete performance from a few years ago into the power envelope and die space of a 45W mobile chip, on top of the four CPU cores. I think the review does mention that there's some thermal throttling which is the disappointing thing to me since they aren't really as restricted by height/weight requirements as normal mobile platforms.
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Eletriarnation posted:Are you sure you need a special motherboard? The memory controller is inside the processor, I think the motherboard just provides traces and power. Well, from everything I could find, both the chipset and cpu need to support it :/
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I'm not saying you're wrong, I haven't been able to find any good sources myself. This is all I have to go on: - My X58 (which is a consumer chipset, though more like X99 than something like H170) system from 2008 will run ECC just fine with an ECC-supporting processor. This is from the first generation of Intel processors with integrated memory controller. - I can't find anyone saying that they tried it and it didn't work, just that they would think that it doesn't work. - Ark's entries for Haswell and Skylake chipsets say nothing about ECC, but the processors do have support status listed whether it's a yes or a no. Older chipsets for Core 2 do list when ECC is not supported. - It would be a little weird for a $42 Celeron to support ECC but require a workstation chipset to do it, although this is a pretty weak point by itself. Have you found any sources that look good saying one way or another? Searching around, it looks like a lot of motherboards advertise supporting specifically non-ECC memory so maybe there's some extra BIOS work required to support it and they're mostly not bothering, or maybe they just don't want to do the work to validate ECC working with an i3 on a motherboard that will mostly be used for i5s and i7s anyway. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 00:47 on May 24, 2016 |
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The quickest way to get a definitive answer may be to just ask Intel: https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/forms/support/presales-form.html
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No NCASE M1 Mini-ITX love in here yet? It's hella expensive and they only produce in batches, but the quality and layout is super nice. And I really like the way it looks. Finally got mine last week. https://www.ncases.com/    Gory details: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.99 @ SuperBiiz) CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS8900 Quiet CPU Cooler ($38.99 @ B&H) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170N-Gaming 5 Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($145.99 @ SuperBiiz) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($70.98 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair SF 600W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply ($119.99 @ Amazon) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($83.89 @ OutletPC) Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($248.00 @ Amazon) Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Tournament Edition Wired Gaming Keyboard ($77.99 @ Newegg) Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Chroma Wired Optical Mouse ($53.99 @ Amazon) Other: nCase M1 ($185.00) The Zalman CNPS8900 probably isn't ideal but I had already purchased it before I decided on this case. Works fine gaming without any case fans, so far. The GPU gets up to 78C and the cores to the high 60s.
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The Dan Case A4-SFX will start its crowdfunding in 5 days. I'm not 100% sure if I'm going to back it, but it is an awesome looking case and probably the smallest we're going to see that fits a full sized video card. The total volume is 7.25 liters. http://www.dan-cases.com/
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wipeout posted:You can get a cheap windows 7 key, and use that to activate windows 10, just in case anyone wants a cheap os. I'm planning on this for my thin-ITX build, do you know if a Windows 7 Pro gives a Windows 10 Pro activation? VulgarandStupid posted:The Dan Case A4-SFX will start its crowdfunding in 5 days. I'm not 100% sure if I'm going to back it, but it is an awesome looking case and probably the smallest we're going to see that fits a full sized video card. The total volume is 7.25 liters. It's really nice looking. Any idea whether a PCI riser like that screws up how the graphics card works?
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knox_harrington posted:It's really nice looking. Any idea whether a PCI riser like that screws up how the graphics card works? According to the designer, he tested a bunch of riser cables and that is the best of the best, which is not surprising because it is from 3M. He is having Lian-Li make his case. They have their own riser cable which was cheaper per single unit, but not cheaper in bulk, and didn't have the flexibility or performance of the 3M one. Unfortunately the bulk price is still rather expensive and the A4 will be more expensive than the M1, probably around $250.
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wipeout posted:You can get a cheap windows 7 key, and use that to activate windows 10, just in case anyone wants a cheap os. Watch brownthunders thread in SA mart if you need one of these, they work
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knox_harrington posted:I'm planning on this for my thin-ITX build, do you know if a Windows 7 Pro gives a Windows 10 Pro activation MS say yes, should work fine.
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dema posted:NCASE M1 I like how clean the build is. Are you planning to install some case fans though, if only to keep the dust out? I have a V. 2 that I got two years ago, haven't gotten around to getting parts for it yet but once the non-reference GTX1070s are out I'll probably build one pretty similar in layout to yours.
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Another thread pointed out that Cyrorig is getting into the business of making cases, and they are teasing some interesting looking mini-itx cases here. That taku looks cool and I may end up getting it, and if you wanted a trash can but didn't want to pay apple, nows your chance!
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Another thread pointed out that Cyrorig is getting into the business of making cases, and they are teasing some interesting looking mini-itx cases here. That taku looks cool and I may end up getting it, and if you wanted a trash can but didn't want to pay apple, nows your chance! I'm really curious about the Ola's cooling characteristics. A design that uses convection like the Silverstone FT02, but in a more condensed system where air can't get trapped could make for some good thermals. I also haven't seen SFF Forum mentioned yet. The custom cases & projects subforum has some really interesting designs you wouldn't normally see from the big manufacturers.
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Another thread pointed out that Cyrorig is getting into the business of making cases, and they are teasing some interesting looking mini-itx cases here. That taku looks cool and I may end up getting it, and if you wanted a trash can but didn't want to pay apple, nows your chance! I agree with you and one of the comments, that Taku would be great as a TV/living room PC. Got my SX500-LG and H75 here today. Took the RVZ01 apart and mounted the PSU in the bracket. The next step is to mount the CPU and the cooler, and I'm going to need to tear my current desktop apart to get my CPU, so that's a job for tomorrow. Going to put my current 4690K in the RVZ01 and put a 5820K back in my desktop. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 04:27 on May 25, 2016 |
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dema posted:NCASE M1 That looks really sweet but I kinda hate you since you have so much space on your desk and under it. I should post pictures of my Fractal Design Core 500 sitting on a small shelf under my desk at my tiny computer space in my small apartment.
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Another thread pointed out that Cyrorig is getting into the business of making cases, and they are teasing some interesting looking mini-itx cases here. That taku looks cool and I may end up getting it, and if you wanted a trash can but didn't want to pay apple, nows your chance! Well, poo poo, now I'm a Cryorig fanboy. BRB, throwing away all my Noctua crap.
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I feel like any SFF thread can't be complete without at least mentioning Shuttle. They pretty much created the SFF market almost 15 years ago with the SV24, and they've been pushing out decent SFF PCs since then. For a while they were pretty much the only game in town, but they've kinda fallen out of the news in the past few years. I always assumed they would close up shop, but lately they've been branching out into NUC-size and other slim style PCs, and seem to be still going strong. I actually had an SV24, and man what an amazing piece of kit that was compared to anything else you got from the retailers of the day (CompUSA, Gateway, Packard Bell, etc...) Yeah, it was a little loud and didn't quite have the build quality later models would have, but I was hooked. I've owned 5 models in total (SV24, SN45G, SN25P, SP35P2 Pro, SZ77R5), and every single one has been rock solid. I still have the SN45G 12 years later and it works fine, used to be the only thing I had with a serial port until I realised the SZ77R5 still has a COM header on the mobo. They used to be the only things you could find with higher wattage SFF PSUs, and even now they're one of the only ones that offer things like 4 DIMM slots in the SFF space. The biggest problem with the older models was the inability to upgrade the motherboard, but the past few generations have mini-ITX support, so it means you're no longer stuck with a very expensive paperweight after a few years. With all the other SFF options these days, it's getting harder to justify the usually higher cost for a Shuttle barebones, but it can be worth it if say you absolutely need 64GB RAM and 4 DIMM slots, or 2 PCIe slots, or just don't want to build everything up from scratch. And they're not too crazy expensive, the top of the line SZ170R8 is a 14L case with a 500W PSU and Z170 mobo for around $440, which seems reasonable. Luckily my SZ77R5 was the first model that supported mITX, so I've finally got a much cheaper upgrade path than I used to. I'll probably use this case until the PSU dies.
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Another thread pointed out that Cyrorig is getting into the business of making cases, and they are teasing some interesting looking mini-itx cases here. That taku looks cool and I may end up getting it, and if you wanted a trash can but didn't want to pay apple, nows your chance! The Ola looks pretty awesome. Hopefully they get some more information out on it before I have to make a decision about whether or not I'm backing a Dan A4-SFX. It seems to use more or less the same layout, but puts it in a vertical orientation, which could lead to better cooling, as well as a smaller footprint. It might be as small as a A4 and will probably be cheaper too, if I had to guess.
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Zotac announced a few new miniPC type deals. The most exciting is the EN980, which is NUC sized and packs a possibly mobile 980. They did something that I think is pretty cool, which is an integrated CPU and GPU closed loop water cooler. It adds some height to the unit, as it's probably taller than any other NUC, but it's always really cool to see things like that. And they do, of course, save space and are usually quieter than separate cooling solutions. http://techreport.com/news/30186/zotac-beefs-up-lineup-of-mini-pcs-for-computex I just wish they weren't a year+ behind on graphics hardware. Hard to justify the 980 when Nvidia themselves just poo poo all over it. Of course, it doesn't perform worse because newer things are out, but it definitely makes it harder to sell. VulgarandStupid fucked around with this message at 19:59 on May 26, 2016 |
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I upgraded to a Silverstone SG13 last December. It's a good case. Click for more pics.
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