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I just made it back from the corner shop, human feces and dead bodies everywhere I went. Saw the frozen corpse of my neighbour stare back at me from the sidewalk.
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It's only one case but it does add credence to my belief that most people who go try to summit Everest have absolutely no idea how actually dangerous it is, because they're totally incapable of understanding the difference between a modest risk (chance of death: 1:10,000) and a high risk (chance of death: 1:100). It's all just heaped into the same category mentally. If skydiving is OK then so is trying to summit Everest, even though the two activities carry very very different levels of actual risk. It's similar to people who can't really grasp the difference between buying a lottery ticket and buying shares in a penny stock, or the difference between the government spending a hundred million dollars on a food stamp program vs. spending a hundred billion dollars on four airplanes. e. just in case anyone's wondering, according to the Boston Globe: quote:In 2013, there were 3.2 million jumps out of airplanes in the United States, and only 24 people were killed in the process. That’s a death likelihood of about 8 in a million jumps, which is one of the lowest death rates in the sport’s history, according to the US Parachute Association. So, skydiving: 1:133,333. Everesting: 1:100. Basically the same in most people's mental estimation. Actually more than a thousand times more dangerous. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 17:14 on May 25, 2016 |
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May 25, 2016 17:10
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She wasn't wrong about the bicycle ride being more dangerous, she was just talking about the plane ride 
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I shudder everytime I pass by the body of the guy they dubbed "yellow muffs" after the colour of his handle bar muffs..
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May 25, 2016 17:22
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To be fair if you are heading down to the wrong 7-11 or to any Walmart at midnight, you will find a lot of people who could be mistaken for corpses in fancy dress...
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May 25, 2016 17:26
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Dreddout posted:Do we bet on our own deaths? If I ever become rich and insane enough to climb Everest, I drat well expect you goony fucks to bet on whether the mountain takes me.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:If I ever become rich and insane enough to climb Everest, I drat well expect you goony fucks to bet on whether the mountain takes me. I bet you'll be swallowed by a sinkhole.
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May 25, 2016 17:45
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Sherpa is used to being beat of burden to other people's needs. Very sad life. Probably have very sad death. But, at least there is symmetry.
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May 25, 2016 18:16
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Annual everest thread 2016 - kicked the bucket list
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May 25, 2016 19:02
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Cnn has an interview with Dead Vegan's mom who is outraged that a backwoods expedition team could let her daughter die. "..a life wasted" http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/25/world/everest-deaths-climb-maria-strydom/index.html
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May 25, 2016 19:32
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Leperflesh posted:It's only one case but it does add credence to my belief that most people who go try to summit Everest have absolutely no idea how actually dangerous it is, because they're totally incapable of understanding the difference between a modest risk (chance of death: 1:10,000) and a high risk (chance of death: 1:100). It's all just heaped into the same category mentally. If skydiving is OK then so is trying to summit Everest, even though the two activities carry very very different levels of actual risk.
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May 25, 2016 19:35
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Because football is an impact sport and skydiving isn't (usually)?
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May 25, 2016 19:42
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The goal of sky diving is so fall out of the sky and not die. The goal of football is to smash the poo poo out of the other team.
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May 25, 2016 19:44
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Sand Monster posted:Except Tenzing Norgay. He wasn't Sherpa by ethnicity.
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May 25, 2016 19:52
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So the vegan couple was trying to climb the Seven Summits....did they start with Everest? If so, lol
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May 25, 2016 20:15
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I think Everest was the last one.
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May 25, 2016 20:18
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"knew the risks but died doing what they loved" So, every autoerotic asphyxiation death ever? At least you aren't blowing $50k and risking some Sherpa's life to accomplish *that* (in most cases)
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Beastie posted:Cnn has an interview with Dead Vegan's mom who is outraged that a backwoods expedition team could let her daughter die. Too bad there doesn't seem to be a comments section for this. It would be hilarious. If your body fails to cope with the environment you are in, how does the team you have change any of this?
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Tochiazuma posted:"knew the risks but died doing what they loved" David Carradine would be proud.
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I hate to seriouspost, but couldn't you like, spend some time in an oyxgen chamber that simulated being at Everest's peak to make sure you didn't just die from altitude? If I understand HAPE and HACE correctly it's less about training and more about "did you win the genetic lottery" so theoretically a couple days in an oxygen chamber would let you know if you're gonna die or not.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcvkjfG4A_M
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ranbo das posted:I hate to seriouspost, but couldn't you like, spend some time in an oyxgen chamber that simulated being at Everest's peak to make sure you didn't just die from altitude? If I understand HAPE and HACE correctly it's less about training and more about "did you win the genetic lottery" so theoretically a couple days in an oxygen chamber would let you know if you're gonna die or not. Overachiever alpha brodog climbers will use such a test failure to prove that it's More Challenge and they should climb everest twice now
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ranbo das posted:I hate to seriouspost, but couldn't you like, spend some time in an oyxgen chamber that simulated being at Everest's peak to make sure you didn't just die from altitude? If I understand HAPE and HACE correctly it's less about training and more about "did you win the genetic lottery" so theoretically a couple days in an oxygen chamber would let you know if you're gonna die or not. But you can't really spend 2 months in a hypobaric chamber 24/7, and altitude sickness seems to be an additive stress situation for those vulnerable to it, so sequential days at altitude with no relief can be the killer even if you can hop in a chamber every afternoon and everything checks out fine.
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May 25, 2016 21:25
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One of these things is not like the others.
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Ash1138 posted:Why do I have the feeling that football has a higher death rate than skydiving? Even if you include high school and college ball, probably not. But if you throw in former football players who played in the 70s and are now dying prematurely? Then yeah maybe so, but it'd be very hard to get those statistics. And they're suffering from the cumulative effects of years of football, whereas the skydiving statistic is pretty much a 1:1 correlation between a single catastrophically bad jump, and a death. E.g. not many skydivers die due to the build-up of affects from lots of skydiving successfully, I'd think.
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May 25, 2016 21:37
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'micromorts' as a unit to express likelihood of death is pretty great.
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In all fairness that figure uses Everest deaths 1922 to 2012, which ignores the declining death rate. That doesn't matter much, though, because it's still thousands of times worse than any other activity listed. I also like the specific citation of traveling 10 miles by bicycle adds 1 micromort, so a ten mile bike ride is about one forty-thousandth of the risk of one Everest ascent attempt. Or, you have to ride your bike 394k miles before you've accumulated the same amount of risk.
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May 25, 2016 23:10
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You could climb Everest, or you could take 80,000 doses of ecstasy.
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zedprime posted:You could climb Everest, or you could take 80,000 doses of ecstasy. you could eat 4 million grilled steaks
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May 25, 2016 23:18
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Fly Around the world 1560 times
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Fly around the world 500 times while on 27000 doses of ecstasy and eating 1.3 million charcoal broiled steaks. Maybe the Everest climbers are on to something, it certainly seems like the cheapest way to play Russian roullette compared to some of these alternatives.
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zedprime posted:Fly around the world 500 times while on 27000 doses of ecstasy and eating 1.3 million charcoal broiled steaks. Actual Russian Roulette: 166,667 micromort with a six‐shooter. Only Four times more than Everest. Way cheaper. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 23:49 on May 25, 2016 |
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zedprime posted:You could climb Everest, or you could take 80,000 doses of ecstasy. I'm halfway to the summit
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unpacked robinhood posted:Are all sherpas called Sherpa ? Is it a cool consanguinity quirk ? A ton of them are named after the days of the week they're born on too, which is why there's so many Phurbas, Tenzings, Pembas, etc. They use a lot of nicknames.
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May 26, 2016 00:37
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climb everest, or smoke for four years.
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1 in 100 is misleading anyway. Every year there are a bunch of super elite pros who are less likely to die, so if you're an amateur, even 1 in 50 would probably be generous. Like our favorite Asian Canadian lady was probably 1 in 5.
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Zo posted:1 in 100 is misleading anyway. Every year there are a bunch of super elite pros who are less likely to die, so if you're an amateur, even 1 in 50 would probably be generous. Lhakpa Sherpa (the Connecticut housekeeper) is ruining the curve.
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Nocheez posted:Because football is an impact sport and skydiving isn't (usually)? Leperflesh posted:Even if you include high school and college ball, probably not. But if you throw in former football players who played in the 70s and are now dying prematurely? Then yeah maybe so, but it'd be very hard to get those statistics. And they're suffering from the cumulative effects of years of football, whereas the skydiving statistic is pretty much a 1:1 correlation between a single catastrophically bad jump, and a death. E.g. not many skydivers die due to the build-up of affects from lots of skydiving successfully, I'd think. And then include all those deaths in the early days that nearly got the sport banned in America 
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shame on an IGA posted:climb everest, or smoke for four years.
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zedprime posted:Fly around the world 500 times while on 27000 doses of ecstasy and eating 1.3 million charcoal broiled steaks. tbh if you use a charcoal grill while on ecstasy on a plane, your chance of dying might be closer to everest
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