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Deceitful Penguin posted:I'm gonna channel the grogs for a moment here and say that if there's one thing that I am absolutely fine with it's the current level of graphics, because they are the absolute last thing I care about when it comes to paradox games, past a certain point. "graphical upgrade" does not mean it has to be more realistic 
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Yeah but remember that Paradox plays on terrain mode for some weird reason. This is not true, gently caress terrain mode.
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Koramei posted:"graphical upgrade" does not mean it has to be more realistic My bad if I was misreadin' ya brah.
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May 30, 2016 16:11
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Koramei posted:I think EU4 will be fine through another few years of content especially if they mostly focus on flavor for the world and map rather than overhauling core systems, but the fact devs are joking about it going on forever, and that there apparently isn't any thought put into when might be a good time to end this, is a little bit worrying.
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May 30, 2016 16:23
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Deceitful Penguin posted:The two are almost almost synonymous in other games? You mentioned CA and it just reminded me about looking at the Rome 2 download (So loving huge!) and then having my computer sound like a helicopter taking off even at the lowest settings during battles, all so that my identical legionaries could have blood on them and uhh, shine in the sun or whatever. They're not synonymous at all, it's just that most game companies push towards realism partially since it's ironically a lot easier to do than stylized stuff in a high quality. There's a lot of ways to improve the visuals in a game beyond adding more leaves to the trees. Also when I brought up total war games it was more in reference to the map part, since that's a big thing both companies have in common. Interface too though. Going to EU4's baroque interface after Empire Total War's makes me sad. sorry for snapping at you tho, I'm an artist so I feel kinda strongly about this but I know english isn't your native language.
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May 30, 2016 16:23
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Christ, it has been pages upon pages of whining. Can we talk about how much HOI IV rules? Or something?
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May 30, 2016 16:25
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Top Hats Monthly posted:Christ, it has been pages upon pages of whining. Can we talk about how much HOI IV rules? Or something? Stellaris's not-100%-perfect launch burnt a lot of people tremendously hard, apparently. After all, that game is literally unplayable! Literally!
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May 30, 2016 16:27
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HOI4 got its own thread so all that's really left to talk about is where are Rome 2, Vicky 3, EU5, and CK3.
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Can't literally even start the game.
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And Svea Rike.Drone posted:Stellaris's not-stellar launch burnt a lot of people tremendously hard, apparently. After all, that game is literally unplayable! ftfy
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zedprime posted:HOI4 got its own thread so all that's really left to talk about is where are Rome 2, Vicky 3, EU5, and CK3. Oh. I was unaware. Still doesn't make the complaining anymore palatable. I agree, I've had problems with CK2 and Stellaris and such. People just seem to be taking it so seriously.
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Are you saying PC games are not serious stuff?
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Top Hats Monthly posted:Oh. I was unaware. Still doesn't make the complaining anymore palatable. I agree, I've had problems with CK2 and Stellaris and such. People just seem to be taking it so seriously. That, and there's also a higher-than-normal amount of sheer shitposting for the sake of shitposting that is de rigueur these days.
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I don't know what's planned for Vicky 3 but I hope they keep the naval arms race. Nothing like sinking the Royal Navy with a shiny, tiny fleet of ironclads. Actually as long as I'm daydreaming, one thing I'd love to see in V3 is a greater focus on the uses of a peacetime navy. Almost every game in the world is purely focused on the navy as something that participates in fleet actions and massed combats, but I'd like to see a scenario where having a large overseas empire basically requires far-flung fleet outposts to maintain order, keep the trade lanes clear, impress local governments, and provide a fast military response to local emergencies below the level of a full scale war - some silly bastard getting his wife kidnapped by a pirate lord in Borneo, for instance. I know there's a Gunboat Diplomacy option in V2, but it's incredibly useless.
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It's like the privateering/counter privateering system in EU4. If the AI actually privateered more it could be really cool  e: I really gotta say, confusing as gently caress as it is, the EU4 trade system is one of my favourite things from any game ever. It fuels expansion and conflict, but is also something really interesting to manage in peacetime. The level of abstraction in it also makes me feel like I'm running a huge empire, where I worry about modifiers and stuff that's too small to see individually rather than having eyes on every single pirate ship. Koramei fucked around with this message at 16:56 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 16:51
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i want more factories and more trade goods and more kinds of taxation i love victoria
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Koramei posted:They're not synonymous at all, it's just that most game companies push towards realism partially since it's ironically a lot easier to do than stylized stuff in a high quality. There's a lot of ways to improve the visuals in a game beyond adding more leaves to the trees. It's what I meant with aesthetics; that you have to listen and use graphical artists properly, use their originality rather than merely technical skill? So that you create a comfortable and approachable interface? And no worries; I can understand this being important to you. Also they probably do it, I mean, look at how CK1 looked was: 
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Mans posted:it's not about being unethical, it's about trying to reinvent the wheel so much on the same game that it's simply unappealing to return. There are DLCs that are really important to buy for any kind of basic playthrough (wealth of nations, res public, art of war and common sense at the very least) and god knows what the hell you need to buy nowadays (do i need to buy the fresh new DLC to use boats like i need regarding buildings and common sense?). At this point it would be much more sensible to just make a new game since you're clearly in a mindset that is so far apart from the original idea of EU4, much like the original idea of EU4 was so far away from EU3 that it justified a new game, not another five expansions. As said, you don't have to buy the DLC and I never felt that I needed it to get the complete experience. Quite the opposite, in fact. But I kind of agree with the other part, when you're changing the game that much and that late in its cycle, even for the better, maybe it's better to just start with a blank slate instead of Frankensteining it. Bring on EUV. Sometimes you just want to return to a game you already know instead of having to relearn everything. Yes, a lot of that is due to laziness, but there you go.
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the DLC fabricated a casus belli against this thread
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Darkrenown posted:This is not true, gently caress terrain mode. Johan will have your scalp for this.
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I wish they'd just get on with making CKIII just so they can finally delete all the worthless data they comment out of their files so it doesn't take up space. All those commented out titles in landed_titles.txt 
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The script files take up like 20mb....
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Groogy posted:The script files take up like 20mb.... It takes up visual space, and it takes up space in my heart.
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Groogy posted:The script files take up like 20mb.... When modding your files it's annoying and I'm not quite sure if removing it myself is the result of all my crashes or not sometimes. Also it sucks when your trying to keep your mod files down to a low number because Steam is stupid and has a really low size cap.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:I wish they'd just get on with making CKIII just so they can finally delete all the worthless data they comment out of their files so it doesn't take up space. Groogy posted:The script files take up like 20mb.... wait wait wait. do you guys not use some kind of source control or something? because that is about the only reason that I can think of for not removing unnecessary comments.
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TeenageArchipelago posted:wait wait wait. do you guys not use some kind of source control or something? because that is about the only reason that I can think of for not removing unnecessary comments. I'm pretty sure they leave commented out stuff for people who won't update or something. I'm not really sure, but it's pretty stupid that you guys still have stuff like the "e_sunni" title sitting in there when those haven't been used since before Sword of Islam I believe.
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Most of things left behind is because of save game compability or mod compability. And some things are just simply put forgotten. Also if you somehow are tight for space from this, shaving off whitespace is gonna yield you more space than this. Groogy fucked around with this message at 18:29 on May 30, 2016 |
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:I'm pretty sure they leave commented out stuff for people who won't update or something. I'm not really sure, but it's pretty stupid that you guys still have stuff like the "e_sunni" title sitting in there when those haven't been used since before Sword of Islam I believe. Groogy posted:Most of things left behind is because of save game compability or mod compability. And some things are just simply put forgotten. fair enough
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double nine posted:Johan will have your scalp for this. We got away with the unified HoI IV mapmode, I think we are safe.
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Why is terrain mapmode the default, then? In every single Paradox game I immediately switch to political view on entering the game.
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If U Don't Give Us the DLC for Free I'm going to Paradoxx Johan
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Gort posted:Why is terrain mapmode the default, then? In every single Paradox game I immediately switch to political view on entering the game. I'm guessing that's how the Europa Universalis map in the boardgame looked so it was the first mapmode implemented, and it just kinda stuck around.
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Trying to get into Endless Legend has revealed that what I really want is Stellaris, but for fantasy instead of Sci-Fi. I just find all the of the factions kinda less than interesting, and it's always them in every game. Stellaris definitely solved the "Oh hey it's the Drengin" problem, and it would be amazing to see that applied to a fantasy setting somehow.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:Oh. I was unaware. Still doesn't make the complaining anymore palatable. I agree, I've had problems with CK2 and Stellaris and such. People just seem to be taking it so seriously. I've said it before but I just think it was weird to not give Stellaris a little more time in the oven when Pdox was launching a major title a month later. Most of what people complained about would've probably been fixed if it got a Q4 release IMO. I feel like people got way too over invested in it though. Like it's cool a good chunk of the dev team posts here but if they can endure code reviews they can ensure shitposting, and if you hated it $40 isn't that much in the grand scheme of things and if it is such a colossal dent in your disposable income you should probably wait for a sale or consider a cheaper hobby.
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DStecks posted:Trying to get into Endless Legend has revealed that what I really want is Stellaris, but for fantasy instead of Sci-Fi. I just find all the of the factions kinda less than interesting, and it's always them in every game. Stellaris definitely solved the "Oh hey it's the Drengin" problem, and it would be amazing to see that applied to a fantasy setting somehow. I was thinking the same thing. If Stellaris is their Master of Orion, I want to see their Master of Magic.
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Slaughterhouse-Ive posted:I've said it before but I just think it was weird to not give Stellaris a little more time in the oven when Pdox was launching a major title a month later. Most of what people complained about would've probably been fixed if it got a Q4 release IMO. Ye my thoughts exactly. It's very odd to me that Stellaris wasn't given more time with HoI about to drop and the possibility of cannibalizing their own sales, especially since it clearly wasn't all the way done.
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DStecks posted:Trying to get into Endless Legend has revealed that what I really want is Stellaris, but for fantasy instead of Sci-Fi. I just find all the of the factions kinda less than interesting, and it's always them in every game. Stellaris definitely solved the "Oh hey it's the Drengin" problem, and it would be amazing to see that applied to a fantasy setting somehow. It didn't though. There's a huge number of ideologies and gov type combos, but just like EU4 there's only a handful of AI types so instead of whatever sci fi race always acting a certain way, you just see Fanatical Purifier and you know exactly how they will act
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