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Beginning to think Om might be angling some sort of royalist angle like 2 Micheal and company. Unite around the puppet heir and take down Jagganoth a notch or three. Except you know, the prophecy most of them have it wrong to begin with. Al - Yis - Un This ball is going to get lively once the angels show up to the main event.
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Grognan posted:Beginning to think Om might be angling some sort of royalist angle like 2 Micheal and company. Unite around the puppet heir and take down Jagganoth a notch or three. Except you know, the prophecy most of them have it wrong to begin with. Al - Yis - Un 
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I may be misinterpreting this but I think we're getting a book, finally. https://twitter.com/Orbitaldropkick/status/737829813180735488
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Jun 1, 2016 03:34
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No misinterpreting, that's why the updates two weeks ago were ... one of the two didn't exist, because Abbadon said he was working on the bookstuff.
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Jun 1, 2016 05:41
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New Page . Well, Mottom at least admits she's a coward.
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Jun 1, 2016 05:54
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fun discovery: Kill Six Billion Demons is blocked at Taco Bell.
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Jun 1, 2016 05:57
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Yeah Allison! Get in there!
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Props to Allison for not buying any of that bullshit. I guess being a trope-savvy megadork paid off in the end, huh e: seriously Mom Om how does the "otherwise Jaggs would destroy me" argument EVEN MAKE SENSE, do you plan at hurling your teapot collection crafted with the death sighs of a million virgins at the Big Guy once he comes barging in or what actually i'd watch that nvm SexyBlindfold fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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in case we needed a reminder that Allison's pretty rad tooSexyBlindfold posted:Props to Allison for not buying any of that bullshit. I guess being a trope-savvy megadork paid off in the end, huh presumably effective command at the multiverse at some level still depends on bureaucracy and influence and more than just being able to think people into trees whenever you want, and the loyalty of her administrators depends on maintaining an image A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:in case we needed a reminder that Allison's pretty rad too I guarantee Om's party planners ain't got poo poo on Solomon David's Unbearably Boring Consolidated Civic Service, bureaucracy-wise
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Jun 1, 2016 07:06
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Problems with the guest list has to be either Cio or the angels.
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Jun 1, 2016 07:07
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It could also be the Parade of Fools.
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Or perhapswiegieman posted:Both statements are true.
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SexyBlindfold posted:I guarantee Om's party planners ain't got poo poo on Solomon David's Unbearably Boring Consolidated Civic Service, bureaucracy-wise The very fact that Solomon has his admittedly almost certainly still incredibly awful but far better to live in than hers empire instantly undermines any claim that she makes that there is no better path than this.
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Well 'better' might be a very loose and relative term. I mean, there are obviously lots of people living high and swell in Mottom's realms, but they tend to be aristocratic types. Kings and Queens living under a Super-Pope that get to keep their chill as long as they pay up. David could be slightly fair to everyone around, but still be a crapsack existence in general.
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It's possible most of the bureaucracy was inherited from Hastet Om's empire, and yes turning an administration of corrupt and cruel petty chiefs into one of honest and efficient managers is not an easy task; especially when said administration spans hundreds of thousands of worlds. But she has had uncounted millennia to do that transition and she can handle assassination attempts better than most reformist politicians. Get rid of the worst guys at the top levels, introduce gradual changes, and in a couple million years it could become a mostly-fair empire where it's mostly-okay to live.
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Cat Mattress posted:It's possible most of the bureaucracy was inherited from Hastet Om's empire, and yes turning an administration of corrupt and cruel petty chiefs into one of honest and efficient managers is not an easy task; especially when said administration spans hundreds of thousands of worlds. That said, she's the literal 'bearer of the name GLORY', and power in K6BD is all about acting by and preserving your name. She needs to put on a good show in a way that Sol doesn't. She's literally powered by glamour.
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Cat Mattress posted:It's possible most of the bureaucracy was inherited from Hastet Om's empire Maybe the very very start, but she'd definitely already deposed him at the Pact of the Seven Part World when she took her slice of all the multiverse and a hundred thousand worlds. Come to think of it, she might well have used the Pact to depose him. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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Cat Mattress posted:It's possible most of the bureaucracy was inherited from Hastet Om's empire, and yes turning an administration of corrupt and cruel petty chiefs into one of honest and efficient managers is not an easy task; especially when said administration spans hundreds of thousands of worlds. yeah she's clearly pretty full of poo poo here she's sort of the ultimate in unaccountable autocrats, but she could easily imagine herself as lacking the authority or the right kind of respect to do what some of her more forceful or respected peers can.
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Darth Walrus posted:That said, she's the literal 'bearer of the name GLORY', and power in K6BD is all about acting by and preserving your name. I thought that was just a devil thing?
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It's entirely possible that she's tried and failed at reforms.
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Renaissance Robot posted:I thought that was just a devil thing? Who says she's not one? Besides, I reckon it applies to other folks as well. Names have serious power in this setting.
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mottom is pretty clearly a human and not a devil anyway i'm pretty sure devils want to do the opposite of preserving their names
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If she wanted to truly reform, she'd PERISH the most corrupt kings and queens until the rest fell in line. But that's hard work and she's got a cushy life, so she's just putting it off until next Sunday. But then Sunday is her day off....
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atomicthumbs posted:fun discovery: Kill Six Billion Demons is blocked at Taco Bell.
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Tollymain posted:mottom is pretty clearly a human and not a devil their names are the limitations that define them, they want to maximize their freedom without losing all the form and will and personhood tied to the naming. And their names do decay, somehow, leaving them all decrepit like Vladok A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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Renaissance Robot posted:I thought that was just a devil thing? Devil names have their own specific mechanics but Names, in general, are pretty important. Especially a syllable of the name of god.
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MikeJF posted:The very fact that Solomon has his admittedly almost certainly still incredibly awful but far better to live in than hers empire instantly undermines any claim that she makes that there is no better path than this. - "This is all there is to ruling, girl. Sitting on top of a mountain of corpses, a pack of wolves below you. There is no other way." - "Uhh what about Solomon David? He seems to run a pretty t--" - "I mean yeah but he's a tool"
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nimby posted:If she wanted to truly reform, she'd PERISH the most corrupt kings and queens until the rest fell in line. She'd like reform, sure. But the war in heaven was such that she could not afford a moment of self-imposed weakness in her domains. And then the peace between the Seven was tenuous, at best, and any reforms would allow her rivals to carve up her holdings and cast her down. And now, of course, there is Jagganoth. There's always a good reason to hold off on reform until later. This is what it means to be ruled by fear.
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MikeJF posted:The very fact that Solomon has his admittedly almost certainly still incredibly awful but far better to live in than hers empire instantly undermines any claim that she makes that there is no better path than this. id hardly call grinding people down under a Kafkaesque legalistic nightmare regime the "better" option, tbh
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paranoid randroid posted:id hardly call grinding people down under a Kafkaesque legalistic nightmare regime the "better" option, tbh idk man personally I'd still rather be in California than the Congo
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paranoid randroid posted:id hardly call grinding people down under a Kafkaesque legalistic nightmare regime the "better" option, tbh It might not actually be all that bad to live in Solomon's domain. This is from the Ask blog: quote:Solomon David is regarded as just, even-handed, and incredibly brutal by most of his subjects. As god-emperor of the powerful Celestial Empire, his dictatorship has uplifted countless societies and crushed countless more into dust. Most people live their daily lives with a high degree of safety, industry, and prosperity under his rule, if not freedom. Assuming prosperity means "a decent standard of living", anyways. So as long as you don't cross the law, you might have a pretty alright life under his rule, as long as you're willing to abandon any impossible dreams of representative governance or any style of existence outside the prescriptions of his law.
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until you forget to pay a parking ticket and you get your head chopped off Solomons probably, in all honesty, a "better" ruler than Mottom, but the "better" distinction kind of doesnt mean a whole lot when the choice is between draconian legalism and parasitic imperialism. Solomon is, id bet, ruled by fear as much as Mottom. particularly the fear that Jagganoth will find his old Myspace where theres pictures of him wearing flippy emo bangs and lists She Wants Revenge as his favorite band. e. i wish i could find that vignette thats a riff on the Judgement of Solomon where everyone dies and the baby ends up a ward of the state. paranoid randroid fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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Mottom doesn't want reform, she's perfectly happy with her empire as it is now. Allison is right, these are just excuses she uses to justify her horrific actions. Her realm wasn't just straight up inherited from her husband, we saw flashbacks of her as a demiurge. She's playing at being weak and powerless before her underlings but we've seen that she's not. Mottom fought in the war of the heavens and earned her right to rule over 111,111 universes, and she's doing with them what she wants. The only part that's legit is probably her fear of Jagganoth and the successor, but that just encourages her more to be gluttonous and enjoy her remaining time as much as possible.
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I think you folks are forgetting the "destiny will twist you" bit that Mottom started off her talk with Allison. She's not saying there's no way she can change how she rules, she's saying that she is just as much a prisoner now as the ruler of 1/7th of creation as she was when she was abducted. Think about it. When she was 13 or 14, she was a math nerd that loved cooking who also happened to have pretty hair. Then Hastet came, and everything she was able to call herself was discarded except for her hair. Being constantly raped as a child is bad enough, but she experienced a profound helplessness caused by the expectations of an extremely patriarchal society as Hastet's wife. Her wants and desires didn't matter one whit, she was The Glimmering Pearl Mother Om. And she still can't escape that identity. Even in freedom, even possessing the power of a deity, she still can't find that little 14 year old girl that was ripped away. Fate my have provided nigh-unlimited power, but it couldn't restore to her the belief that she has control over herself. A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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paranoid randroid posted:i wish i could find that vignette thats a riff on the Judgement of Solomon where everyone dies and the baby ends up a ward of the state. quote:Q. Anonymous asked:
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The more of Mottom that we see, the more I get the feeling Abaddon got at least some inspiration from the accounted life of Cixi. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/cixi-the-woman-behind-the-throne-22312071/?no-ist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Dowager_Cixi
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Begemot posted:Mottom doesn't want reform, she's perfectly happy with her empire as it is now. Allison is right, these are just excuses she uses to justify her horrific actions. Oh, I wouldn't say she's perfectly happy with it. She utterly detests what she sees as the necessities of her rule. If Mottom was presented the option to snap her fingers and reform her empire into something a tiny bit less luxurious for her but that isn't reliant on universal conquest to function, she would do it in a heartbeat. But there are no guarantees that her reforms will not trigger a time of weakness, that someone else will not see it as a moment to strike, that the reforms will be less total than she might prefer, and she will have sacrificed that fraction of luxury for nothing. Mottom is ruled by fear, and to the fearful, it does not matter how terrible the status quo might be if there is even the slightest chance that changing it might lead to something worse.
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Hiveminded posted:The more of Mottom that we see, the more I get the feeling Abaddon got at least some inspiration from the accounted life of Cixi. I really should have caught onto this sooner given that I studied Cixi not long ago. Now that you mention it I feels obvious.
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