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Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Sefal posted:

I took an counteroffer and so far its good. I even got a perm contract with the counteroffer.

Key things were i think;
I wasn't flat out denied when I asked for the raise. But was told to wait a few more months until I was working here for 1 full year.
I made it clear that I liked working here but that it was financially better for me to work at the place that offered me a better salary.

I'm reading all these horror stories about taking an counteroffer. I don't need to be afraid right?They made me permanent with this offer. Thats a good sign, I hope?
A lot of it is fearmongering garbage oversold by HR think tanks because if one person figures out how to get the raise they've been denied, so will everyone else. Whether or not to ask for or accept a counteroffer is highly, highly circumstantial. The top question I would ask: is whether or not you get a raise entirely within your boss's control? If yes, coming to them for a counteroffer is insulting. If no, coming to them for a counteroffer is potentially giving them leverage to get you what they've been asking for on your behalf.

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Super Slash
Feb 20, 2006

You rang ?

Sefal posted:

Key things were i think;
I wasn't flat out denied when I asked for the raise. But was told to wait a few more months until I was working here for 1 full year.
I made it clear that I liked working here but that it was financially better for me to work at the place that offered me a better salary.

I'm reading all these horror stories about taking an counteroffer. I don't need to be afraid right?They made me permanent with this offer. Thats a good sign, I hope?

I've posted this before but I think I'm more of a fringe case; after two crappy appraisals I sought out and accepted another offer, when I handed in my resignation one of the managers came to me to ask what would it take to keep me.

I explained I didn't really want to leave but wasn't being paid nowhere near what I should, manager fought my cause to the top and I got my required salary adjusted in writing, so I rescinded my resignation and awkwardly declined my job offer which I accepted.

Shortly after the manager who carried out my appraisals and who I reported to were fired (she made a lot more mismanagement than just me). I was quite fortunate as it was kind of a bluff on my end, I did have a job lined up to cross over to, but it was only for £1000 extra per year.

Super Slash fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Jun 1, 2016

Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe

Vulture Culture posted:

A lot of it is fearmongering garbage oversold by HR think tanks because if one person figures out how to get the raise they've been denied, so will everyone else. Whether or not to ask for or accept a counteroffer is highly, highly circumstantial. The top question I would ask: is whether or not you get a raise entirely within your boss's control? If yes, coming to them for a counteroffer is insulting. If no, coming to them for a counteroffer is potentially giving them leverage to get you what they've been asking for on your behalf.

My boss has no control over salary. He had to get permission for what he offered me.
I'll take a wait and see approach.

Alfajor
Jun 10, 2005

The delicious snack cake.
In Windows 7/10, is there a way to block access to USB ports, but make it so that it could be "authorized" UAC-style by an Administrator, on a case-by-case basis?
I know that I can block the USB ports through GPO, but it'd be a lot of fuckery to address if someone with a legitimate need actually needed to use the USB ports.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Alfajor posted:

In Windows 7/10, is there a way to block access to USB ports, but make it so that it could be "authorized" UAC-style by an Administrator, on a case-by-case basis?
I know that I can block the USB ports through GPO, but it'd be a lot of fuckery to address if someone with a legitimate need actually needed to use the USB ports.
There might be a product you can buy that offers what you're looking for, otherwise you get to deal with GPOs. You can set up a GPO to allow certain device IDs, so you can buy a bunch of one specific brand of USB sticks and disseminate/track those for authorized use, but that's about it.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


If they're bringing you on as an FTE that's a good and shows the companies investing in your continued employement but this falls into an exception of "Don't take counter-offers".

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


The company I left a few months ago is now laying off over 10k people.

My wife still works there but won't hear if she gets fired or if she can stay, for another month or 2.

she's hoping she gets fired so she can get severence pay for the 20 years she's worked there. It's gonna be the size of an above average mortgage.:getin:

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Why do so many people equate firing with layoffs? These are two entirely separate things...

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

Tab8715 posted:

Why do so many people equate firing with layoffs? These are two entirely separate things...

In one, you are fired. In the other, you are fired to make the execs look good on paper. Six of one, Tab8715, this isn't the 60s, anymore, where firms make actual strategic decisions. The decisions are all around what will make an imaginary number better for the next ten quarters while the CEO prepares for an exit.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Tab8715 posted:

Why do so many people equate firing with layoffs? These are two entirely separate things...
In the first one, you don't do good enough work for the company to pay you. In the second, the work you do isn't good enough for the company to pay you. See?

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



In one case you can get about 60% of what you were making for a whole 3 months, in the other you're still financially screwed unless you have a lot of savings.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Vulture Culture posted:

In the first one, you don't do good enough work for the company to pay you. In the second, the work you do isn't good enough for the company to pay you. See?

What if the work isn't good enough for the company because people aren't doing it good enough?

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


22 Eargesplitten posted:

In one case you can get about 60% of what you were making for a whole 3 months, in the other you're still financially screwed unless you have a lot of savings.

Exactly,

Employment termination or "getting fired" is due to insufficient performance. Those that are fired do not collect unemployment and it's unlikely you're going to get a recommendation from your employer.

Layoffs are due to a lack of work where not only do you qualify for unemployment but you may also get a severance package and positive reference from your previous employer.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Tab8715 posted:

Exactly,

Employment termination or "getting fired" is due to insufficient performance. Those that are fired do not collect unemployment and it's unlikely you're going to get a recommendation from your employer.

Layoffs are due to a lack of work where not only do you qualify for unemployment but you may also get a severance package and positive reference from your previous employer.

You can still collect unemployment if you are fired. And a severance is by no means guaranteed during layoffs, nor is a good recommendation. The difference is largely semantic.

CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry

NippleFloss posted:

You can still collect unemployment if you are fired. And a severance is by no means guaranteed during layoffs, nor is a good recommendation. The difference is largely semantic.

Yeah, the only time you're denied unemployment is if you're fired "with cause" which needs some hefty documentation on the employer's part. You would have to do something so bad that they immediately dump you or have a binder full of formal complaints: like no-shows, stealing from the company, safety violations etc.

Also references aren't very valuable when the company referenced doesn't exist anymore. Make sure to network with your bosses so that you have their direct personal contact as a reference going forward.

Dark Helmut
Jul 24, 2004

All growns up

CrazyLittle posted:


Also references aren't very valuable when the company referenced doesn't exist anymore. Make sure to network with your bosses so that you have their direct personal contact as a reference going forward.

*cough* LinkedIn *cough*

Seriously, this is half the reason to have an account even if you do get spammed by pesky recruiters.

vvv 1-2 months notice?! 2 weeks drags on long enough when you're excited about a new gig. I can't imagine how much that sucks... vvv

Dark Helmut fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Jun 1, 2016

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


NippleFloss posted:

You can still collect unemployment if you are fired. And a severance is by no means guaranteed during layoffs, nor is a good recommendation. The difference is largely semantic.

Luckily, where I live the law mandates that you have to give an employee severence pay unless he/she gives their 1-2 months notice (depending on contract type, but similar to the US 2 weeks notice) or if you have reasons for immediate termination (sexual harrasment which can be proven in court, evidence of stealing, etc).

Otherwise its half a months salary for every year you've worked for them (not linited to your current contract). But this is by law. Large companies usually have better severance pay for layoffs, negotiated by unions. The company in question pays 1 month per year you worked there. :v

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

LochNessMonster posted:

Luckily, where I live the law mandates that you have to give an employee severence pay unless he/she gives their 1-2 months notice (depending on contract type, but similar to the US 2 weeks notice) or if you have reasons for immediate termination (sexual harrasment which can be proven in court, evidence of stealing, etc).

Otherwise its half a months salary for every year you've worked for them (not linited to your current contract). But this is by law. Large companies usually have better severance pay for layoffs, negotiated by unions. The company in question pays 1 month per year you worked there. :v

Yea, my post was in the context of the worker's paradise that is the US, where severance is a gift generously bestowed by your employer if they deign to do so. And more often than not, in my experience, they won't do so.

Fiendish Dr. Wu
Nov 11, 2010

You done fucked up now!

Dark Helmut posted:

*cough* LinkedIn *cough*

Seriously, this is half the reason to have an account even if you do get spammed by pesky recruiters.

vvv 1-2 months notice?! 2 weeks drags on long enough when you're excited about a new gig. I can't imagine how much that sucks... vvv

My wife was denied employment at a hospital because her references either didn't work at the company anymore, or the company wasn't around anymore. They seriously expected the references to not have moved on.

She got a better job anyways but gently caress that and gently caress HR.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:

My wife was denied employment at a hospital because her references either didn't work at the company anymore, or the company wasn't around anymore. They seriously expected the references to not have moved on.

She got a better job anyways but gently caress that and gently caress HR.
I bet they don't hire veterans, then.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


NippleFloss posted:

You can still collect unemployment if you are fired. And a severance is by no means guaranteed during layoffs, nor is a good recommendation.

It’s accurate to say that you could collect unemployment however if you’re involuntarily terminated or “fired” the vast majority of companies even those with the most mediocre HR Departments will have been wise enough to document your poor performance. You will not be able claim unemployment and/or will lose upon fighting against. Remember, It’s costlier for a company to lay off employees than it is for an ought right termination.

Severance and recommendations aren’t by any means going to be guaranteed however you’ll find that it’s common to see Early Retirement Packages delivered during :airquote: corporate restructuring :airquote: or layoffs. Hell, I’ve seen layoffs where the company has hired personal recruiters for the staff that’s been let go because management while had to make tough decisions but at same time recognized this deeply affected the lives of actual people.

Now, if you're fired I doubt you'll be getting any of the above.

NippleFloss posted:

The difference is largely semantic.

There’s a important distinction between leaving a job due to lack of work instead of not meeting employment standards which is semantics. Not something you’d want to gloss over or dismiss as nitpicky.

CrazyLittle posted:

Yeah, the only time you're denied unemployment is if you're fired "with cause" which needs some hefty documentation on the employer's part. You would have to do something so bad that they immediately dump you or have a binder full of formal complaints: like no-shows, stealing from the company, safety violations etc.

Hefty?

Granted, it's dependent from State-to-State however you do not need a binder of grievances. All you need is written documentation at least one or two pages double-spaced briefly summarizing inadequate performance from their direct manager(s), written confirmation from their fellow co-workers echoing management's claims and possibly a willingness of all parties to potentially testify.

CrazyLittle posted:

Also references aren't very valuable when the company referenced doesn't exist anymore. Make sure to network with your bosses so that you have their direct personal contact as a reference going forward.

How so?

If you're using your past supervisor or co-worker as a reference you should obviously have their personal contact information as people change employers and positions throughout their careers. If someone's so focused on having a reference that still works at said company it's safe to say their idiots.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Tab8715 posted:

Hefty?

Granted, it's dependent from State-to-State however you do not need a binder of grievances. All you need is written documentation at least one or two pages double-spaced briefly summarizing inadequate performance from their direct manager(s), written confirmation from their fellow co-workers echoing management's claims and possibly a willingness of all parties to potentially testify.

Generally you have to be fired for intentional misconduct to be ineligible for unemployment, and inadequate performance does not qualify. You usually have to have failed a drug test, sexually harassed a coworker, threatened someone, etc...

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

NippleFloss posted:

Generally you have to be fired for intentional misconduct to be ineligible for unemployment, and inadequate performance does not qualify. You usually have to have failed a drug test, sexually harassed a coworker, threatened someone, etc...

In NY if you get fired you're not eligible for unemployment, full stop. However, your employer would have to fight your claim for the labor office to know that you actually got fired and not just "dismissed."

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

NippleFloss posted:

Generally you have to be fired for intentional misconduct to be ineligible for unemployment, and inadequate performance does not qualify. You usually have to have failed a drug test, sexually harassed a coworker, threatened someone, etc...
When people believe things like this, have they ever actually held a job?

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
I'd probably say that even if you get fired for doing drugs at work, after getting a written warning, twice, you should still file for unemployment.

If it gets disputed, utilize your state's referral program to get a free consultation.

If your lawyer says you don't have a case, you don't have a case.

adorai
Nov 2, 2002

10/27/04 Never forget
Grimey Drawer
you will get unemployment unless you really hosed up. Gross negligence, gross incompetence, breaking the law, etc.. If you just suck at your job, you'll probably get paid.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

NippleFloss posted:

Generally you have to be fired for intentional misconduct to be ineligible for unemployment, and inadequate performance does not qualify. You usually have to have failed a drug test, sexually harassed a coworker, threatened someone, etc...
Even a drug test is a dubious disqualification in many states. California, for example, has an "irresistible compulsion"/"inability to abstain" clause for addicts. You're more likely to be denied unemployment if you refuse to take the test.

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

Tab8715 posted:

Hefty?

Granted, it's dependent from State-to-State however you do not need a binder of grievances. All you need is written documentation at least one or two pages double-spaced briefly summarizing inadequate performance from their direct manager(s), written confirmation from their fellow co-workers echoing management's claims and possibly a willingness of all parties to potentially testify.

This is wrong. I will grant two caveats: IANAL and that my employer experience is limited to three states, but all three of those states are "at will" states, which are the most lenient to the employers.

A "for-cause" termination is a direct and reasonable detriment to the employer. Documented "poor performance" (three write ups for "being bad" in general terms doesn't count. I've been directly ruled against for this) does not mean jack to the labor board or unemployment bureaus if you apply for unemployment and the company attempts to reject unemployment payments for you.

For reference, examples of "for cause" are: Theft with actionable evidence - e.g. terminating you because a case of coke went missing in the 5 minutes you are alone with it doesn't mean your termination was "for cause". Video of you walking the case of coke out the door without stopping at a register, however, IS "for cause".

Detrimental performance with actionable evidence. This is almost always sabotage. You threw sabot into your loom workstation. Note, that this has to be evidence-backed - again just the employer going "well, his computer was always needing to be repaired by IT and it was harming performance!" isn't actionable evidence.

There are a few items that aren't terribly high on the "actionable evidence" level needed: Multiple people filing complaints of physical threats, multiple people filing complaints of sexual harassment, and/or multiple witnesses to :airquote:terroristic utterances:airquote: tend to make the UE bureau rule towards the company.


Inspector_666 posted:

In NY if you get fired you're not eligible for unemployment, full stop. However, your employer would have to fight your claim for the labor office to know that you actually got fired and not just "dismissed."

Most terminations are "dismissals." "Being fired" refers to the entire gamut - from "I have a poo poo boss who just wanted me gone." to "I am a poo poo employee and my boss just wanted me gone."

And NY has one of the most employer-hostile unemployment bureaus in the US - but it is true that they are one of the states that stops all unemployment payments while they figure out any objections. A lot of people go "Maaaaan. I'm not getting any money!" and then get another job before the unemployment would get investigated out and start up payments. Detail that most people don't know: You can usually file for back-unemployment for the period you were eligible for unemployment payments and get a lump sum in cases like these (variances by state, both in claimable amount and time to file a claim for back unemployment).

anthonypants posted:

When people believe things like this, have they ever actually held a job?

Having been a direct employer, a manager, an executive level manager, and a peon across multiple companies and corporations, this is true. Just because the law says "bad performance!" doesn't mean "He sucks at his job." It means "After exhaustive training and remediation, all attempts to increase his performance to that of his coworkers has failed." Not only do you have to demonstrate the training and remediation, you also have to document that he knew he was going to get fired for that poor performance for a while, determined by each state (rule of thumb for me: six months).

In addition, a friend of mine fought unemployment for her only sys admin (company of ~100), and since there were no other sys admins in the company, she was ruled against because she couldn't claim that sysadmin's performance was bad since there was no apples to apples comparison - even after documenting all of the training and remediation, as well as the multiple notices that were signed by the sys admin saying that he sucked and needed to get better.

When terminated for any reason, file for unemployment. If challenged by your previous company, speak with a UE lawyer about your chances to win - and be honest with the UE lawyer. It'll cost you less in the long run. :v:

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

anthonypants posted:

When people believe things like this, have they ever actually held a job?

Its shameful how few people know their rights.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

Vulture Culture posted:

Even a drug test is a dubious disqualification in many states. California, for example, has an "irresistible compulsion"/"inability to abstain" clause for addicts. You're more likely to be denied unemployment if you refuse to take the test.

And if you're in a treatment program, they're messing with fire.

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

Sickening posted:

Its shameful how few people know their rights.

Having laws written so that the lay person could understand them would help. I've found a lot of people flounder between the legal definitions in the law and then the regulatory definitions in the regulations written after the law being different, followed by case law ruling which parts of each can and cannot be enforced, as well as how much legal leeway the regulatory agency has under the law for determining the outcomes of its' bailiwick.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Arsten posted:

Having laws written so that the lay person could understand them would help. I've found a lot of people flounder between the legal definitions in the law and then the regulatory definitions in the regulations written after the law being different, followed by case law ruling which parts of each can and cannot be enforced, as well as how much legal leeway the regulatory agency has under the law for determining the outcomes of its' bailiwick.
I can't afford to get a raise, I'll move into the next tax bracket and owe thousands more in income tax!!!

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

anthonypants posted:

I can't afford to get a raise, I'll move into the next tax bracket and owe thousands more in income tax!!!
Sometimes true when compounded with loss of other benefits, further confusing the situation!

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost
You lose benefits when you get a raise?

adorai
Nov 2, 2002

10/27/04 Never forget
Grimey Drawer

Methanar posted:

You lose benefits when you get a raise?
I think he is referring to welfare benefits.

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


I thought this was America. Apparently government cheese is no longer a thing. I tried applying while I'm collecting my sweet free government unemployment from redacted till I start my next job.

Silly redacted. I was already out the door when you ra'd me but I'll take that severance and unemployment.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Methanar posted:

You lose benefits when you get a raise?
A lot of government benefits are determined based on your income bracket. For example, a small raise may bump you above 400% of the federal poverty level so you no longer qualify for ACA insurance subsidies.

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

anthonypants posted:

I can't afford to get a raise, I'll move into the next tax bracket and owe thousands more in income tax!!!

You are a bad man, and you make me cry. :negative:

There are two main instances where the government takes a larger share of your paycheck (you CAN get into a situation where you get less money, but it's fairly limited):
You work overtime. Overtime for weekly-paid employees gets a larger portion of taxes withheld. There is a sweet spot of something like 1.5 or 2.5 hours of overtime where you take home less (or, at the least, work for free). Note that if you work this little bit of overtime, you get it all back at tax time - assuming you have a simple tax situation.


Vulture Culture posted:

A lot of government benefits are determined based on your income bracket. For example, a small raise may bump you above 400% of the federal poverty level so you no longer qualify for ACA insurance subsidies.

This is the second instance. But, so far, this instance is theoretical as they are currently only truing this up twice a year. The first time each year is to make sure the detail you submitted last year for this year is true (Hey, this guy DOESN'T have sixty-eight children!) and then at tax time to see if you were given more subsidy than your income would allow for in the previous tax year.

There is a third instance dealing with low income benefits. Some states have a monthly income check. If you make above the (FPL+250% / 12) you get your benefits reduced. Depending on the state, this can range from medicaid (the low income free health care) termination, rent assistance reduction/termination, and SNAP ineligibility.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

anthonypants posted:

I can't afford to get a raise, I'll move into the next tax bracket and owe thousands more in income tax!!!

Not because of tax brackets but this is becoming more of a reality than a lot of people think. Not for those making 60k+, but those at the 30 - 40k range qualify for a lot of state benefits and insurance discounts and school grants / loan payment deferrals. Bumping up from 40k to 50k with a family of 4 can easily be a wash in monthly usable income, and there's some tipping point in there where a small raise can cost more than the raise earns.

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Japanese Dating Sim
Nov 12, 2003

hehe
Lipstick Apathy
So I'm sure a lot of this is old hat for many of you, and I also know that Powershell in a Month of Lunches is pretty much the gold standard for learning Powershell, but yesterday was pretty slow and I watched a few sessions of Microsoft's MVA course "Getting Started with PowerShell 3.0 Jump Start" and was really impressed.

The actual creator of Powershell is one of the guys doing the course and it's not dry at all.

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