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Palicgofueniczekt posted:If you don't care about it being too plane-like: vertical takeoff lifting body with SRBs to get off of Kerbin may fit the bill. Interesting... Sounds good. Thanks!
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Cubey posted:Rather than Squad making new planets themselves, they should just integrate Outer Planets into the base game. Why not a KerbalFriendshipdrive to allow them to travel to different solar systems
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TheresaJayne posted:KerbalFriendshipdrive  Unimpressed posted:What I'd love to see (and I know it's not going to happen), is a partially random solar system. So maybe we know enough about Mun and Minmus but everything else is different in every save. So you have to observe the other planes, and send probes and satellites not to gain some points in science to unlock parts, but to know enough about the planets and their moons to be able to land there. Basically I want Kerbal Space Exploration Program. No Kerbals's Sky
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TheresaJayne posted:Why not a KerbalFriendshipdrive to allow them to travel to different solar systems
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At least until your friendship drive dumps .you right between two binary stars and your craft overheats and explodes
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Luneshot posted:At least until your friendship drive dumps .you right between two binary stars and your craft overheats and explodes
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I've been watching Scott Manley's 'Kerbal Spaceships Are Serious Business' series and really dig the way technology is progressing from early jet aircraft to rocket planes to early probes and capsules, instead of just starting right off with manned rockets. I want to try a similar run, but I also want to use the Kerbol system instead of the real solar system, and the mods he's using require Real Solar System as a dependency. Is there a similar realism/progression-overhaul mod that doesn't require RSS?
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Arglebargle III posted:I know this sounds condescending but it's the first step: did you turn on ascent guidance?  The rocket moves over fine when I press the yaw keys.
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Mister Bates posted:I've been watching Scott Manley's 'Kerbal Spaceships Are Serious Business' series and really dig the way technology is progressing from early jet aircraft to rocket planes to early probes and capsules, instead of just starting right off with manned rockets. I want to try a similar run, but I also want to use the Kerbol system instead of the real solar system, and the mods he's using require Real Solar System as a dependency. Is there a similar realism/progression-overhaul mod that doesn't require RSS? Maybe the realistic parts would get into orbit too easily on Kerbin. You can use realism overhaul without real solar system.
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pisshead posted:
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pisshead posted:Maybe the realistic parts would get into orbit too easily on Kerbin. You can use realism overhaul without real solar system. Yeah, but the career-mode progression mod he's using, that redoes the contracts and tech tree to incorporate Realism Overhaul, does require RSS, and I'm wondering if there's a similar mod that makes career mode progression a bit more realistic while still letting me use the default solar system.
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OddObserver posted:Do you have any roll authority? I can roll it with the keys via the aelirons, very slowly at launch but with greater authority at higher speeds, but the autopilot keeps flicking from one roll side to another on the needle in the bottom left of the screen. edit: If I manually roll the rocket so the target is 'up' on the navball, then mechjeb seems to pitch it over manually. It still has problems rocking back and forth rolling the rocket throughout the flight. pisshead fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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Here's a quick question: in realism overhaul, how do I get fuel to the RCS thrusters that are on the side of a fuel tank for the main engine?
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^^^^ That should just work, but did you remember to configure the engine type for the RCS jets to be for the fuel type yoo want, and similarly for the tanks? Might also need pressurized tanks (service module or fuselage), I guess. I usually just sick some small spheres with RCS fuel near the engine, and RCS quads on the tank and it works fine as long as I remembered to configure everything. Wait, hang on, this looks like Realism Overhaul with Real Solar System? Yeah, MJ seems to have difficulty with control there sometimes, perhaps because there are no magical reaction wheels. I think having some RCS seems to help, but I don't have an exact grasp on when its attitude control gets wonky with RSS ---- I won't trust it's launch autopilot there anyway, though; it doesn't seem to do so hot with lower TWR upper stages, or for that matter with ullage and ignition limitations (though that's usually manageable). I did actually find Smart A.S.S Surf and HVel+ modes helpful for launches when it does work, as it can do pitching over way smoother than me. Also 100km would be to low for orbit there... OddObserver fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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you can also have it display the target and set sas to follow the target indicator and it works better a lot of the time honestly.
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I had the same problems with the same rocket on Kerbin. I know it's too low for orbit, it's not powerful enough to get that high anyway I'm just learning RO/RSS/Mechjeb. Putting RCS tanks onto the main tank worked, even though the engineer's report said they weren't getting the fuel. In fact I can use the RCS wherever the fuel is, even if it says I don't need it. Adding RCS for roll solved the problem, now it turns when it should. Now I just need to solve my horrible rocket design.
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Mister Bates posted:Is there a similar realism/progression-overhaul mod that doesn't require RSS? I have been using Unmadded before Manned
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I have better luck with mechjeb when I just use it to put a target on the navball, and use SAS to follow the target. So why doesn't mechjeb just use SAS instead of spazzing about?
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Mister Bates posted:I've been watching Scott Manley's 'Kerbal Spaceships Are Serious Business' series and really dig the way technology is progressing from early jet aircraft to rocket planes to early probes and capsules, instead of just starting right off with manned rockets. I want to try a similar run, but I also want to use the Kerbol system instead of the real solar system, and the mods he's using require Real Solar System as a dependency. Is there a similar realism/progression-overhaul mod that doesn't require RSS? Better Than Starting Manned. Don't actually get that one
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Use a tanker in kerbin orbit instead of killing yourself making a space plane with 1200 dv in orbit. If you really want to make it refuel itself you can then go to minimus. From there you can set up any interplanetary transfer you want, and even fall back to Kerbin for a cheap oberth maneuver. There's still no reason to use a plane for interplanetary trips though. The only place it will be useful is Laythe. I gotta get back into this game and actually complete an interplanetary mission if I want to give advice about this. 
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pisshead posted:
The green text by the AoA limiter is saying that this is affecting that autopilot's behavior. Try changing AoA limit to 10 and see what it does. Other than that I can't say, the picture is so dark I can't see what the vehicle is like. My first thought would also be a control authority issue, since you're way off course already. As a general piece of advice, you should always have the Q-limiter turned on and set to default unless you're landing or taking off on another planet. Share the ship file? Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Jun 2, 2016 |
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I've worked around it now, I just use mechjeb to set the target than use SAS to the target, it's way smoother than MJ autopilot, and MJ always fucks up the staging anyway.
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 Hullcam appears to be working again so I may be able to go back to my career save!  ^^^^ Hmmm, normally I'd go to bat for Mechjeb but it's been awfully squirrely since 1.1
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 You know, getting a familiar angle on the vehicle you can really see how tiny Kerbin is compared to footage from Earth.  Nose down... I'm sorry the game is just so pretty with scatterer. I have to install the rest of the pretty mods. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jun 2, 2016 |
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It works! And now I get to experience the wonders of nothing is labeled. What the hell is this doing floating over here?  Guess I needed the docking port.  Welp, that clears up the mystery of the missing UP-4.There are still some problems with the save...  Arko wasn't as efficient as the newer tugs but still represented a significant investment.
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Something that bugs me about 1.1 is that the stock toolbar is on the right side of the window now. Is there any way to move it to the top right like how it used to be?
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I've been using unmanned before manned the last few months, definitely a great mod that makes sense.
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pisshead posted:I've worked around it now, I just use mechjeb to set the target than use SAS to the target, it's way smoother than MJ autopilot, and MJ always fucks up the staging anyway. Welp, sounds weird to me. MJ is probably wobbling your rocket as it comes up against the AoA limit, the default ascent profile is pretty aggressive about pitching over.
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Mister Bates posted:I've been watching Scott Manley's 'Kerbal Spaceships Are Serious Business' series and really dig the way technology is progressing from early jet aircraft to rocket planes to early probes and capsules, instead of just starting right off with manned rockets. I want to try a similar run, but I also want to use the Kerbol system instead of the real solar system, and the mods he's using require Real Solar System as a dependency. Is there a similar realism/progression-overhaul mod that doesn't require RSS? Venn's Stock Revamp. I don't actually know if it complies to what you're describing, but gently caress it why not. Alternatively you could join the Flowerchild cult and get BDSM (or BTSM I forget). Say what you will about that weirdo, he didn't put opt out tracking metrics that phoned home to his server full of KPOP photos and copywrited a hexagon.
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Warbird posted:Alternatively you could join the Flowerchild cult and get BDSM (or BTSM I forget). Say what you will about that weirdo, he didn't put opt out tracking metrics that phoned home to his server full of KPOP photos and copywrited a hexagon. isn't btsm still only for 1.0.4 ?
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Heads up for a new mod called Kerbalism. I have been starting a new career and put around 60h in it, and it has been a great experience so far. It basically adds all together: life support, signals, radiation mechanics, malfunctions. The best part is that you can configure it as you want by creating your custom set of rules. It makes the game much harder tough
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Arglebargle III posted:Which life support? It has its own.
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Arglebargle III posted:Welp, sounds weird to me. MJ is probably wobbling your rocket as it comes up against the AoA limit, the default ascent profile is pretty aggressive about pitching over. I think MJ always wants to make quick, hard movements, whilst SAS prefers slower ones. You can tell when the attitude needles in the bottom left are wildly oscillating back and forth, when holding it in one direction would make it move.
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Arglebargle III posted:Which life support? OddObserver posted:It has its own. Well you can possibly use some other life supports and disable that mechanism in Kerbalism. Or you can create your own using the custom rules
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pisshead posted:I think MJ always wants to make quick, hard movements, whilst SAS prefers slower ones. You can tell when the attitude needles in the bottom left are wildly oscillating back and forth, when holding it in one direction would make it move. I think that's the AoA limiter, the interface is telling you the limiter is impacting control.
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Anyone else experienced ships from earlier saves just disintegrating in 1.1 like my tug up thread? The picture doesn't do it justice, a couple of the aerospikes were spinning around their mounting points. Without any thrust or input. I have to say, I think Kerlin is in an attractive configuration right now.   I don't think I'll ever get tired of first person in this game. When I'm not a poor grad student I have to get a VR setup.  Back in my career save with the good old PLOP. It's so derpy, and yet it has 1500 m/s dV. It's a great runabout for Kerbin system. I love it. Propulsive landing on Kerbin too, believe it or not. The parachute is just a backup. They updated HGR thermal values though so I'll have to test re-entry on Kerbin again.  Count the individual spacecraft in the shot. I just loving building spaceships!  Val loves spaceships too. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Jun 2, 2016 |
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