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| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
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328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
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115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
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506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
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157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
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61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
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19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
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411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
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533 | 25.02% |
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:yeah that's a weird thing to get hung up on but people probably mean they feel it lacks legitimacy whereas they feel the national government is more legitimate or representative somehow. It's Are Cuntry bollocks and nothing else. They'll happily go into the minutiae of each and every unelected position in the EU, but mention the House of Lords or our current minority-elected majority government and they throw a strop.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:54
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'Tortured' rendition couple angry over failure to charge MI6quote:A man who was secretly detained and sent to Libya with his pregnant wife in 2004 has spoken of his disappointment that no-one will be prosecuted. quote:Even though there will be no prosecution of MI6 officers, the Libyan case still raises many questions.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:04
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forkboy84 posted:There's nothing inherently wrong with having a superficial interest in music. It's not a judgement. It's a statement of fact, some people don't read the music press, don't go to dozens of live shows a year, don't buy music in large quantities & usually consume music through the radio, in the background. No need to be so touchy about it. Do you do self reflection, or is that too mainstream for you?
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Jun 9, 2016 19:04
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Puntification posted:These people are also likely to either vote for UKIP who intentionally don't do anything useful with their MEP positions or don't bother voting for EU elections. They are fuckwits. So are all pro-leavers pretending there are good left-wing reasons for voting for a campaign based on the wank fantasies and wishful thinking of right-wing bell-ends, voting out while under a tory government is the action of the inexcusably stupid or loving scum. Someone tell Oi Polloi to write a song called "gently caress everyone who votes for Brexit". i don't see "we'll change it from the inside" as a particularly good left wing reason to support the EU
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Jun 9, 2016 19:05
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Seems a better reason than "We'll leave it and then we'll be able to dictate terms to it!"
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Jun 9, 2016 19:10
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Canada's Supreme Court has just ruled that oral sex with animals does not constitute bestiality.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:10
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Pissflaps posted:I'd hate to live next door to a nightclub. Imagine the noise. And it would be a complete surprise too, how on earth would you know it would be noisy?!
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Jun 9, 2016 19:13
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OwlFancier posted:Seems a better reason than "We'll leave it and then we'll be able to dictate terms to it!" I was thinking more "we'll leave it and then we won't have to worry about its terms" but probably the government will still try to cram us into the single market. Anyway I can't vote for it so my options amount to either not voting or voting against it, so I'll vote against it.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:15
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I just got this "OFFICIAL" leaflet:  Are they allowed to pretend to be official like that? And nice implication that Iraq and Syria are next in line for EU membership after Turkey and friends.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:16
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:I was thinking more "we'll leave it and then we won't have to worry about its terms" but probably the government will still try to cram us into the single market. Anyway I can't vote for it so my options amount to either not voting or voting against it, so I'll vote against it. Short of going Full Tokugawa and enact our own version of Sakoku until someone decides to send a gunboat to sail up the Thames and shell things until we sign the treaty of peace and amity, I don't think not interacting with Europe is really a possibility. So either we interact with the hegemonic European bloc as a small island of the coast of Europe, or we interact with it as part of Europe. Why can't you vote for it?
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Jun 9, 2016 19:19
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i got one of those it was in pieces in the bin before i thought to take a picture
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Jun 9, 2016 19:19
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:I was thinking more "we'll leave it and then we won't have to worry about its terms" but probably the government will still try to cram us into the single market. Anyway I can't vote for it so my options amount to either not voting or voting against it, so I'll vote against it. yes the UK is just going to cut europe off as a trading partner loving hell
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Jun 9, 2016 19:20
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nothing to seehere posted:Sure, no-one wants a nightclub or bar to open nex to them. But if you move into a property, and there's already a venue which hosts live music, you shouldn't have the right to get that venue shut down when they weren't doing anything different. I'm hard of hearing, so my neighbours could start making a terrible racket without bothering me. But if someone else moves in afterwards and finds the racket troubling, they have as much right to complain as anyone else, because this is a residence, a place where people are expected to live, and living with high levels of noise is bad for people's health. When interests clash they should be weighed against each other, not dismissed with a 'We were here first!'. It doesn't matter who was first, what matters is finding the best possible outcome for everybody involved.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:21
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Cerv posted:Not commenting on this particular pub you love, but why is that stupid? If my neighbours car alarm / shop burglar alarm was going off every night I'd be onto the council sharpish. Totally unreasonable. Because they don't legislate alarms to have a decibel limit as low as the ones venues get. 30dBA is loving nothing. At Cellar 35 they installed a sound limiter that cuts out power when it hits 30, which can be set off by a tap on a cymbal and can be very damaging to the instruments and equipment.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:21
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OwlFancier posted:Why can't you vote for it? There's always the option of vote spoiling.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:23
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I interpreted the statement as one of physical capability.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:24
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35 dBA is background noise, this place must have shut down every time someone coughed.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:25
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Coohoolin posted:30dBA is loving nothing. At Cellar 35 they installed a sound limiter that cuts out power when it hits 30, which can be set off by a tap on a cymbal and can be very damaging to the instruments and equipment.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:26
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Qwertycoatl posted:I just got this "OFFICIAL" leaflet: I've had a load of them and they all do it. The first couple were very minimilist and official looking and I had to read the small print to find out it was from "Leave". The whole campaign has been so loving dodgy but no one gives a poo poo. Not even the "Remain" camp. It really is AV all over again.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:26
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OwlFancier posted:Short of going Full Tokugawa and enact our own version of Sakoku until someone decides to send a gunboat to sail up the Thames and shell things until we sign the treaty of peace and amity, I don't think not interacting with Europe is really a possibility. So either we interact with the hegemonic European bloc as a small island of the coast of Europe, or we interact with it as part of Europe. I could blather out my reply but Enrico Tortolano says it better here: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/06/should-uk-brexit-trade-union-views and also I don't want to be part of a political union which is comfortable pounding Greece into the dust probably for no better reason than to show Italy and Spain what's coming to them if they don't play ball.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:28
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Brown Moses posted:An additional 238k voters signed up yesterday after the deadline was extended https://www.gov.uk/performance/register-to-vote/registrations-breakdown goddamnedtwisto posted:Imagine if one side or the other wins by <238k votes... I know this is from loads of pages ago, but I'd love to see a legal challenge. Leave: "They extended the deadline and won because of the extra votes!" Remain: "Nope, we were always winning. You just got 238k votes closer" Judge: "It was a secret ballot. gently caress off, the pair of you"
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Jun 9, 2016 19:29
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:I could blather out my reply but Enrico Tortolano says it better here: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/06/should-uk-brexit-trade-union-views and also I don't want to be part of a political union which is comfortable pounding Greece into the dust probably for no better reason than to show Italy and Spain what's coming to them if they don't play ball. The problem we face in Britain is that while the EU may be a shower of bastards, if we leave we just give the domestic ultra shower of bastards more power. Boris and Gove don't want out because they care about workers. Essentially "Leave" is right: The EU strips the UK of some control. And that's fantastic when you have a hostile right wing government.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:29
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Guavanaut posted:Wait, what? Are you sure that's right? At what distance? According to the petition and the articles on it, yeah. https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/bid-to-change-who-is-responsible-for-noise2/ http://www.thepetitionsite.com/302/...50477&cid=fb_na EDIT: There is an issue with "decibels" meaning different things in a sound engineer setting and a colloquial setting and I'm not 100% on it, but the threshold on the limiters is stupidly low and the council is ruining music in the city.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:29
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:I could blather out my reply but Enrico Tortolano says it better here: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/06/should-uk-brexit-trade-union-views and also I don't want to be part of a political union which is comfortable pounding Greece into the dust probably for no better reason than to show Italy and Spain what's coming to them if they don't play ball. But you live in a country that can, and does, tell the EU to stick it all the time. In the unlikely event we get a resurgent left cumulating in a glorious socialist government which is all about the workers rights, and we run up against the EU telling us that we can't enact the laws we want, what exactly can they do to stop us? Kick us out? Leaving the EU on leftist grounds is like saying "you can't fire me I quit" when nobody was planning on firing you and you have no plan as to what you're going to do afterwards. And whether you are part of the EU or not, the EU will continue doing what it does. Washing your hands of the responsibility will make absolutely no difference.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:33
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Coohoolin posted:According to the petition and the articles on it, yeah. 35 dBA is pretty good for a fan in rack equipment, or about the background noise from HVAC in a large conference room. If it was 35dBA from the speakers, a cough could set it off, like Dead Goon said. The only thing I can think of is that they classified the entire building as the sound source, measured 1m away from the adjoining walls of the venue.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:37
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Coohoolin posted:According to the petition and the articles on it, yeah. The 30db limit doesn't refer to what's heard inside the venue, iirc its 30db for a residential area at night and that would be tested at a fair point where the complaint is made so outside or at least that's how its meant to be done. City centers have a higher level, I think its about twice as high. So having sound limiters inside venues set so low is loving ridiculous.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:39
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Googling 'How loud is 30dBa' leads to discussions about how loud a computer fan will be. (The answer is 'not very')
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Jun 9, 2016 19:43
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StoneOfShame posted:So having sound limiters inside venues set so low is loving ridiculous.
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Jun 9, 2016 19:44
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Guavanaut posted:The only way I can see it remotely making sense is that the sound limiters are set such that it doesn't go past 30/35/whatev dBA outside the venue, or 1m from the adjoining walls. Having the speakers limited to that would make it impossible to play music above a standard conversation. Exactly its a nonsense, the levels are set that low to take into account that you can make a valid noise complaint for people stood outside your house talking all night, no venue should have a problem with any of it if they were set up properly in the first place, it becomes much more difficult with places that have large outside areas. Edit: I'm listening to Dillinger Four with my window open and it would be far above noise levels for this area, but no one can hate Dillinger Four so its all good. StoneOfShame fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jun 9, 2016 |
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Jun 9, 2016 19:54
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goddamnedtwisto posted:do you sit in lingerie on your windowsill eating a flake while listening to it? I'd love a 99 right now
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Jun 9, 2016 20:03
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I just did a quick and dirty test. Nothing but a couple of quiet computer fans, and the birds tweeting outside. Very little traffic in far distance, a little wind, nice summer evening. About 34.5 dBA. That's over double 30 dBA, more like 3 times by some back of an envelope working. 30dBA is a ridiculous target. And I shall be writing a complaint to those birds. Unrelated, I think I found the Moselyite far-right Remain meme (courtesy of the political forwards thread)  
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Jun 9, 2016 20:04
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Guavanaut posted:I just did a quick and dirty test. Nothing but a couple of quiet computer fans, and the birds tweeting outside. Very little traffic in far distance, a little wind, nice summer evening. About 34.5 dBA. Do I get bonus Politically Correct Points for thinking at first the point of the image was that Polish school classes have much worse pupil/teacher ratios?
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Jun 9, 2016 20:06
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I think the British children look happier
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Jun 9, 2016 20:07
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Do I get bonus Politically Correct Points for thinking at first the point of the image was that Polish school classes have much worse pupil/teacher ratios? Yeah I was thinking that. No chairs to sit on and huge class size?
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Jun 9, 2016 20:09
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I got one of the pro-leave brochures through my door today : "The European Union and Your Family: THE FACTS" to summarise they're saying that we're spending the same amount each week on the EU as we would on a new hospital (even if that wasn't horse poo poo as if they'd spend that money on a hospital ever, let alone one a week) 89 million people from Turkey, Albania, Montenegro Serbia and Macedonia are about to move to the UK We can't trade with anyone outside the EU because of EU laws fuckkkk these guys are wankers
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Jun 9, 2016 20:10
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Also holy poo poo I wish I went to a school that ethnically diverse. We had like one non white kid in the class and he got kind of ostracized.
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Jun 9, 2016 20:12
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I just noticed the watermark and it really pisses me off that right wingers are trying to steal SMASH X. This feeling is mitigated by the fact that the X they've chosen is cultural Marxism, which as far as I can tell equates to "down with this sort of thing" and thus is pathetically hilarious.
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Jun 9, 2016 20:12
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Guavanaut posted:I just did a quick and dirty test. Nothing but a couple of quiet computer fans, and the birds tweeting outside. Very little traffic in far distance, a little wind, nice summer evening. About 34.5 dBA. I'm at 86db which is top end of the vacuum cleaner range apparently, I'm gonna be testing everything from now on.
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Jun 9, 2016 20:12
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Coohoolin posted:Because they don't legislate alarms to have a decibel limit as low as the ones venues get. 30dBA is loving nothing. At Cellar 35 they installed a sound limiter that cuts out power when it hits 30, which can be set off by a tap on a cymbal and can be very damaging to the instruments and equipment. i don't understand what any of this has to do with car alarms some form of an agent of change principal in law would be a good idea, but Aberdeen or any other council can't change the national legislation. on the other hand if you got all 2500 people on that petition to chip in £50 and crowd fun the cost of installing some soundproofing edit: although i don't think any AoC rule would help in this particular case since it's not a new residential build. i.e. there isn't actually a change. Cerv fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jun 9, 2016 |
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Jun 9, 2016 20:14
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Cerv posted:i don't understand what any of this has to do with car alarms People love signing petitions, people don't love spending money, you'd be lucky to get 25 to chip in.
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Jun 9, 2016 20:19
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