|
punk rebel ecks posted:That said, I feel that there is a miscommunication occurring, where some feel that when people bring up the topic of harassment that they are attacking the FGC as a whole of engaging in these actions. Gamers in general do this constantly. Anita Sarkeesian says there are problematic things in video games, nerds start crying about how this means that she wants to censor and ban all video games. Gotta love your hobbies unconditionally, nothing less is allowed.
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:20
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 23, 2024 17:25 |
|
|
Yeah I guess I just don't associate posturing of that nature with masculinity but I suppose that's what they're trying to do
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:20
|
|
|
Zand posted:When the FGC gets discussed at length on a lot of other sites, people with very low knowledge of the scene still somehow know about the people like Aris, Dark Prince, Noel Browns, etc. These kinds of issues are so so easy to play up for mad clicks on clickbait game news sites that this news travels way faster than anything positive... like the FGC helping Chris Hu rebuild his life after his home was destroyed in a fire, or other instances like helping to pay for funeral expenses of fallen competitors. I think it's more the lack of FGC coverage that made people defensive. The FGC are still third-rate citizens in the world of esports, but it's gotten better these last two, three years. However, in the recent past, you wouldn't see a word about the FGC on gaming publications...unless it was a blow-up. I mean, you would know, you've been around for longer that I have.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:26
|
|
|
Zand posted:When the FGC gets discussed at length on a lot of other sites, people with very low knowledge of the scene still somehow know about the people like Aris, Dark Prince, Noel Browns, etc. These kinds of issues are so so easy to play up for mad clicks on clickbait game news sites that this news travels way faster than anything positive... like the FGC helping Chris Hu rebuild his life after his home was destroyed in a fire, or other instances like helping to pay for funeral expenses of fallen competitors. All the more reason for people who are involved to have this conversation, really.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:27
|
|
|
I hope the FGC remains the third tier of eSports because I hate the weird corporate culture of the high tier competitive video games
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:29
|
|
|
i am macho as gently caress u all! ~ kiss bicep and hugs kill la kill body pillow ~
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:31
|
|
|
In Training posted:I hope the FGC remains the third tier of eSports because I hate the weird corporate culture of the high tier competitive video games I don't disagree, even the "cleaned-up" FGC events are still less...stiff than other esports. CEO and RBK have the right idea, don't go professional sports if you wanna have more polished events, go pro-wrestling/UFC. It fits the community and the games better.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:33
|
|
|
on the other hand, high tier competitive games have ways of actually punishing and blocking problematic players there's a trade-off there
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:34
|
|
|
Munsun posted:i am macho as gently caress u all! ~ kiss bicep and hugs kill la kill body pillow ~ *hefts Hori Fighting Commander 4 pad threateningly* BRUH IF THAT GIRL ON THE DAKI AIN'T THE RIGHT WAIFU BEST BELIEVE YOU FINNA CATCH SOME HANDS
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:36
|
|
|
AnonSpore posted:*hefts Hori Fighting Commander 4 pad threateningly* BRUH IF THAT GIRL ON THE DAKI AIN'T THE RIGHT WAIFU BEST BELIEVE YOU FINNA CATCH SOME HANDS please don't quote r/kappa without a source
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:38
|
|
|
There should be a distinction made between the American FGC and, say, Japan, if we're talking about hypermasculinity. EDIT: Also, re: anime games and whether or not you have more nonwhite players, I've generally noticed a greater correlation than the opposite - even excluding GG, but that's just me.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:38
|
|
|
Endorph posted:on the other hand, high tier competitive games have ways of actually punishing and blocking problematic players Can't deny that for sure, but I still hope for community self policing that will get better.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:40
|
|
|
Who is everyone liking in Revelator? It feels like everybody I've seen is all about Raven
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:40
|
|
|
bhsman posted:There should be a distinction made between the American FGC and, say, Japan, if we're talking about hypermasculinity. I mean, we can't tell poo poo about the Japanese FGC other than the few breadcrumbs we get from Americans living there. I can guarantee you the stupid posturing, homophobia and "boys' club" feel is exactly the same for Latin America, tho.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:41
|
|
|
a nerd is a nerd is a nerd
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:42
|
|
|
Endorph posted:on the other hand, high tier competitive games have ways of actually punishing and blocking problematic players yeah when i talk to my friends who are involved in PC competitive games they're sorta blown away at the fact that the FGC has no like, central ruling body. it's just a completely foreign concept to them, where you can't really be "banned" like you could from most other games. the grassroots nature of the FGC is wonderful and getting to play irl with such a huge variety of people is something i never want to see go, but obviously there's advantages to having someone who can actually say "calling people faggots isn't acceptable and we're issuing a ban".
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:43
|
|
|
gently caress the police!
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:43
|
|
|
fgc competitors should have to bring their moms to tournaments. increase attendance by women and curtail bad behavior at the same time.In Training posted:Who is everyone liking in Revelator? It feels like everybody I've seen is all about Raven i'm liking leo now that i got him. never bought him in sign.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:44
|
|
|
I was kinda interested in learning Johnny until I found out he was the best character in Revelator.  Dias posted:I mean, we can't tell poo poo about the Japanese FGC other than the few breadcrumbs we get from Americans living there. I can guarantee you the stupid posturing, homophobia and "boys' club" feel is exactly the same for Latin America, tho. Take it with a grain of salt, but when Art visited Japan his impression was that American FGC is big on blowups and dominance whereas Japan leans towards helping each other out and proliferation of tech. Not making a judgement either way, but it was interesting to read about.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:45
|
|
|
Lemon-Lime posted:I'm glad Capcom made a smart decision and decided to just use PSN/Steam to sell their SF5 DLC instead of having some idiot convoluted in-game RM store. Sounds to me that Sony told them to stfu and fix their game
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:45
|
|
|
Dias posted:Of course they are, even dweebs can be "macho", or more importantly, act macho. It's all posturing, but it's hyper masculine posturing. It's the most annoying part of the scene imo, nerds trying to act hard about video games is pretty embarrassing.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:46
|
|
|
Nostalgia4Butts posted:Sounds to me that Sony told them to stfu and fix their game sony stands to make money on sales through psn. idk if they care about sfv after february since they probably got all the console sales they were going to get from it already but they stand to make a lot of money now with this change of course and i can see them getting more interested
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:47
|
|
|
attackmole posted:It's the most annoying part of the scene imo, nerds trying to act hard about video games is pretty embarrassing. Being good at a video game makes you hardcore apparently.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:49
|
|
|
attackmole posted:It's the most annoying part of the scene imo, nerds trying to act hard about video games is pretty embarrassing.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:50
|
|
|
The only thing I know about Japan FGC was that ridiculous event that ArcSys put together (I think?) that was the Gods of Guilty Gear vs The Street Fighter Champions or w/e and they had a card and the equivalent of a ring announcer that would start of matches and entrances. That was awesome
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:52
|
|
|
Endorph posted:it's one thing if you're just shittalking a little but actually trying to seem like a badass is the lamest thing Oh yeah a lil shittalking is all well and good I've just seen, it's just a fine line that's not easily well defined. But if you're a skinny white dude with glasses posturing like a dude about to rap battle while yelling expletives you've probably crossed it. Context, etc.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:56
|
|
|
the only thing i know about japan fgc is the ridiculous 50 vs 50 guilty gear crew battle i saw once this johnny went through like 18 people before dying to some rando potemkin, it owned
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:56
|
|
|
Someone light the Fereydun signal
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 20:59
|
|
|
punk rebel ecks posted:I feel that there are any few people who describe the fighting game community as nothing but a bunch of Noel Brown's and Dark Prince's. I know you're kinda new to this but you would be surprised. There are people on these very forums who stumbled upon a stream from Evo, saw what they described as "a bunch of thugs," and turned it off to watch Minecraft or whatever. I don't really care to see the FGC go full e-sports because every time someone comes along and tries to force it it ends up feeling really fake and stupid, but it's really not a great look to outsiders when the reason they hear about anything having to do with competitive fighting games is that some bag of poo poo like Dark Prince or Aris is doing something stupid.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 21:00
|
|
|
they said the recent special edition releases were to see which version of DMC people liked more, classic or lovely ninja theory. then they made the good one digital only while releasing the lovely one physical and digital. i'm hoping for a miracle here but idk DmC2 incoming
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 21:04
|
|
|
It is not a sequel to the reboot nobody likes when Capcom just put out a pachinko machine of the actual dmc style and had the special edition of DMC4 make up a good majority of their sales last year Like you would have to be actually retarded to see that and go "oh man reboot sequel" unless you just have negative faith in Capcom, which I cannot say I also don't
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 21:07
|
|
|
Real hurthling! posted:fgc competitors should have to bring their moms to tournaments. increase attendance by women and curtail bad behavior at the same time. Well I guess that rules out Noel Brown, obviously a framed picture hasn't been cutting it.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 21:19
|
|
|
FanaticalMilk posted:Well I guess that rules out Noel Brown, obviously a framed picture hasn't been cutting it. drat, son.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 21:21
|
|
|
bhsman posted:EDIT: Also, re: anime games and whether or not you have more nonwhite players, I've generally noticed a greater correlation than the opposite - even excluding GG, but that's just me. In Training posted:I hope the FGC remains the third tier of eSports because I hate the weird corporate culture of the high tier competitive video games Dias posted:I don't disagree, even the "cleaned-up" FGC events are still less...stiff than other esports. CEO and RBK have the right idea, don't go professional sports if you wanna have more polished events, go pro-wrestling/UFC. It fits the community and the games better. I agree. I like the whole human aspect of the FGC, so to speak. Going to a tourney feels more like a get together than an outing if that makes sense. There is commercialization to be sure, but it is very self-aware. The fact that no company really "owns" many tournaments gives off a grassroots vibe. Dias posted:I mean, we can't tell poo poo about the Japanese FGC other than the few breadcrumbs we get from Americans living there. I can guarantee you the stupid posturing, homophobia and "boys' club" feel is exactly the same for Latin America, tho. I always wondered what the Latin American FGC is like. I'm imaging the American FGC on steroids with lots of King of Fighters players. Zand posted:When the FGC gets discussed at length on a lot of other sites, people with very low knowledge of the scene still somehow know about the people like Aris, Dark Prince, Noel Browns, etc. These kinds of issues are so so easy to play up for mad clicks on clickbait game news sites that this news travels way faster than anything positive... like the FGC helping Chris Hu rebuild his life after his home was destroyed in a fire, or other instances like helping to pay for funeral expenses of fallen competitors. I agree. For example, with the recent Grabgate at Combo Breaker many outsiders heard about the event, but didn't hear about the outcry in the FGC and how well the case was handled. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jun 9, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 21:46
|
|
|
modeling after ufc is the most natural model yeah the most emotionally intense matches ive seen have been massive money matches in marvel. tournaments should basically filter out the fluff so we can figure out who to put on the big screen. have sponsors front like tens of thousands of dollars and the winner gets the losers sponsor cash (or some better incentivized system). now backing a winner is free advertising. anime was right fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jun 9, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 21:49
|
|
|
Endorph posted:i mean, he's kind of right. not so much in that they're all super buff body builders or something but they are all kind of fronting? there's a lot of shittalking and egotism and such. Part of that is just it being a competitive environment but still, it's noticeable when you compare it to even other competitive games. If I had to guess I'd say it's a consequence of the fact that matches are one-on-one, quick, and you're sitting right next to the person you're playing against. There's no detachment from the fact that you're stomping a dude, nor is there anything stopping you from just throwing the gauntlet down. How would the FCG compare to competitive Madden, for instance? That's an instance of one on one and also played next to each other in a tournament setting, and a more fair comparison than FPS/MOBAs which have the team aspect. I'd argue it's less the activity itself and more the urge of our stupid primate brains to beat our chests and prove we're the baddest motherfucker in the jungle, but I've got no academic research to back that up.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 21:55
|
|
|
punk rebel ecks posted:I always wondered what the Latin American FGC is like. I'm imaging the American FGC on steroids with lots of King of Fighters players. Eh, maybe back in the day. We model ourselves after the NA FGC pretty hard, and Capcom games are the most popular ones. KOF XIII had a surprisingly small community for being the "new" KOF game, mostly because it wasn't 2002. Other than that, we're all online warriors, between a small community and in Brazil's case, a fuckin' huge country. Also, I think arcades around here died faster than in America, the early 00s saw the rise of "LAN houses" and everyone wanted to play CS all day erry day instead of playing punchmans. Doesn't help that CPS-3/Naomi cabs were almost unicorn-like in their rarity.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 22:17
|
|
|
punk rebel ecks posted:So anime games have more minority players or less IYO? Sorry the post wasn't that clear to me. Sorry, I meant to say that - from my perspective, which obviously can be flawed - I tend to notice more minority players when it comes to anime games.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 22:22
|
|
|
attackmole posted:It's the most annoying part of the scene imo, nerds trying to act hard about video games is pretty embarrassing. Well, there are degrees of fronting. It's easy to point out "thuggery" but you also have the sort of people who complain about top tier to their clique and wear
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 22:34
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 23, 2024 17:25 |
|
|
can we talk about kof or something
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2016 22:35
|
|