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Anomalous Amalgam posted:I removed my self from Adahn because I didn't think they were scun and I did offer an opinion, hammer dropped before deadline was up so it became moot. I'm not softly blaming everyone. Im saying there were probably scum on the moat vote and for w.e. reason you take this as me taking some moral high ground which I'm not. ....by like three minutes. Literally.
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Adahn1986 posted:I made lots of cases. Why would I make more scum cases than there are scum? I guess we'll see what happens when one of us flips!
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Jun 17, 2016 20:29
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I actually am really willing to vote AA purely for the way he is misrepresenting his play at EOD yesterday. He's acting like this hammer came in and procured him from continuing to offer an opinion. This is false. The hammer came in because there were LITERALLY >5 minutes at the time it occurred. AA was not posting in a manner at the time that made any of us think he was actually paying attention to the thread. The town thing to do in this case is to say "yeah I kinda hosed that up, I didn't realize how close to deadline we were when I started a reread and I was focusing on that instead of the clock." OR "I know it was going to be tight but it really was important for me to make an informed decision, but I should have said who I was planning on voting at the start of it rather than leaving everyone in the dark while I maybe did what I was saying." What AA is CONTINUALLY insisting on here is that he was kept from voting by a hammer coming down early. That...that is simply not the case.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:32
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Murmur Twin posted:I guess we'll see what happens when one of us flips! You are by no means thunderdoming right now so this is vey odd to me. Also if Adahn flips town (and I think he will at this point) he gets to keep contributing so this whole line of argumentation is giving me bad feels.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:33
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Quidnose posted:You are by no means thunderdoming right now so this is vey odd to me. I kind of feel like I've said everything I have to say about Adahn. He's by far my top scum read, I'm trying to get other people to give feedback on my case, and I'm voting there. We're talking in circles so I don't really know what else there is to say. What makes you think he'll flip town? You don't think he's going through a lot of effort to not say anything incriminating?
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Jun 17, 2016 20:35
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First and foremost I cannot imagine at -1 in a 9 person game Adahn, having hosed up that much as scum and with me on him like a hound, does anything but give up and shut up. Instead he starts naming people and offering opinions on them. He has continued to do that today, knowing he would be a major candidate. Unless he is banking 100% on not going down AT ALL, his scum flip will basically hand the game to us cause we can probably figure out who the remaining scum is somewhere in there. And again, I just don't see that being the correct scum play. Adahn strikes me as smart, and if he knew he had hosed up royally, he would shut up as scum, I think, so as to give his partner a fighting chance. His list posting strikes me as someone who does not care if he continues as a voting force in the game, and scum wouldn't do that. It's the main reason I unvoted him.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:38
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Quidnose posted:I actually am really willing to vote AA purely for the way he is misrepresenting his play at EOD yesterday. He's acting like this hammer came in and procured him from continuing to offer an opinion. This is false. The hammer came in because there were LITERALLY >5 minutes at the time it occurred. AA was not posting in a manner at the time that made any of us think he was actually paying attention to the thread. I don't like this case. I'm not disagreeing with you that it's weird that AA didn't hammer, but I don't see how that's indicative of his alignment given that Moat flipped town. It feels like an insignificant detail - I don't see what's in it for scum to delay the hammer there.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:39
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Quidnose posted:First and foremost I cannot imagine at -1 in a 9 person game Adahn, having hosed up that much as scum and with me on him like a hound, does anything but give up and shut up. Instead he starts naming people and offering opinions on them. He has continued to do that today, knowing he would be a major candidate. Unless he is banking 100% on not going down AT ALL, his scum flip will basically hand the game to us cause we can probably figure out who the remaining scum is somewhere in there. I don't know how many times I have to say: read Adahn's posts. He's using a lot of words, but he isn't saying anything. His "opinions" that are giving you a town read on him are just him saying "I think __ is town", which is something scum does more than town. I can't believe you think AA is scum because he didn't drop the hammer on town, but you think Adahn's LAMIST and town reads make him town.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:42
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I don't think that AA is scum because he didn't drop the hammer. I think he is scum because he purposefully made us decide how we were going to deal with it, and then blamed us for "not giving him enough time to consider anything." It's not like the hammer dropped 5 hours early, why even push this as a point. Here's something we're forgetting: stumps = confirmed town reads and opinions we can trust, without WIFOMing if they are being genuine or not. That's bad for scum. Maybe they wanted to push a no-dunk.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:46
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And I disagree with you on the town reads are useless thing, because he's made scum reads too. He flips scum, we look at his entire post history, we see where his opinion changes randomly, we find scum. He is offering WAY too much and caring way too little about what he says to be scum.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:47
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This no vote finder at end of day is busting my chops.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:48
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Murmur Twin posted:I don't know how many times I have to say: read Adahn's posts. He's using a lot of words, but he isn't saying anything. His "opinions" that are giving you a town read on him are just him saying "I think __ is town", which is something scum does more than town. I'm a tree. I get that you're not seeing that, but I can't begin to imagine how I'd need to play in order for you to get the right read on me. I don't know who is scum. I don't know who is town. Everything that I say is a result of and reflection of that, and yet you've reached the wrong conclusion. I don't know what you think I'm hiding because I have literally nothing to hide.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:48
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Quidnose posted:....by like three minutes. Literally. Yes, but stating I intentionally avoided deadline or slithered away from it is false. I had been there prior to the moat vote and came in with an opinion after they were hammered. I'm not going to post and drive and the lead up to those final minutes, I was working. As everyone has already mentioned and bitched about. Very middle of work day for many of us.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:52
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Here is the final votefinder that got posted:votefinder posted:Votecount for Day 1 Votes after that, in order: I unvote, Adahn -2. MMT votes Moat, Moat and Adahn tied at -3. Dongs moves to Moat, Moat -2. I vote Moat, Moat -1. Adahn hammers, at 5min left.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:52
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Quidnose posted:First and foremost I cannot imagine at -1 in a 9 person game Adahn, having hosed up that much as scum and with me on him like a hound, does anything but give up and shut up. Instead he starts naming people and offering opinions on them. He has continued to do that today, knowing he would be a major candidate. Unless he is banking 100% on not going down AT ALL, his scum flip will basically hand the game to us cause we can probably figure out who the remaining scum is somewhere in there. Adahn did this exact same thing in Trumpining, he rambled on and on about who else to suspect up to the last vote on him. His town game is more insisting on his innocence and being flustered by the votes piling on him.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:55
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Quidnose posted:I don't think that AA is scum because he didn't drop the hammer. I think he is scum because he purposefully made us decide how we were going to deal with it, and then blamed us for "not giving him enough time to consider anything." It's not like the hammer dropped 5 hours early, why even push this as a point. Why are you spinning my words around, I'm just saying I was there. Sorry I have obligations and a limited lunch break. I don't see what's unclear about that. Furthermore, I'm blaming no one. I simoly didn't want to hammer Adahn who I believed was town and am now questioning as a result of Dong's post. You're pushing a strange point here, and keep in mind that I wasn't the only person around at end of day, like I don't see how me not wanting to hammer a player I believed to be town is scummy and I feel like you are being willfully ignorant to force a point.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:56
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Li Dawny posted:His town game is more insisting on his innocence and being flustered by the votes piling on him. Isn't that what he's doing here?
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Jun 17, 2016 20:56
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I want to be very clear again: I have no problem with AA's play at the end of day. I have a problem with him coming in and saying that Moat was "quick hammered" when we LITERALLY had 5 minutes to a no-dunk. Why are you insisting you had no agency at end of day because of this?
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Jun 17, 2016 20:57
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Adahn1986 posted:I'm a tree. I get that you're not seeing that, but I can't begin to imagine how I'd need to play in order for you to get the right read on me. Repost your case on me using at least one of my quotes. quote:
I think you're hiding your alignment.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:57
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MMT, who is Adahn's scum buddy?
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Jun 17, 2016 20:58
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Quidnose posted:I want to be very clear again: I have no problem with AA's play at the end of day. I have a problem with him coming in and saying that Moat was "quick hammered" when we LITERALLY had 5 minutes to a no-dunk. Why are you insisting you had no agency at end of day because of this? He was quick hammered from my stance because when I left for lunch Adahn had 4 votes on him... how is that strange to you. I'm not saying its like a start of day turbo, just that the time between adahn being at -1 to moat being hammered was quick. You're taking that way out of context seemingly intentionally.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:59
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AA I would believe you a lot more if you'd spend less of the game trying to convince me how town you are and complaining about how much you hate everyone for being on your case when you can't play or whatever and more time casing people. Every time you come in here it's to tell us how you are a victim and it makes me think you are scum. You are correct that you haven't called anyone out here beyond the initial "quickhammer" post and I see where you are coming from in regards to the Moat vote shifting very quickly, and I can see you missing that during a reread, and also understand you not wanting to hammer someone you think is town. You think Dongs/Li are the scum team, yes?
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Jun 17, 2016 21:00
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Li Dawny posted:Adahn did this exact same thing in Trumpining, he rambled on and on about who else to suspect up to the last vote on him. His town game is more insisting on his innocence and being flustered by the votes piling on him. Ok, so what happened was the cop had investigated me. I tried to cast shade on exactly one other person (Kashuno) and that failed. You're all welcome to check the thread, or you can lynch me based on Dawny's gross misinterpretation of what happened leading up to my being lynched. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3778268&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
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Jun 17, 2016 21:00
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Quidnose posted:Isn't that what he's doing here? No, he's making cases and pointing fingers, he's saying 'gee wiz guys, scum sure is doing a darn good job', he's not rampaging/cursing/being really ducking rude like I've seen him do as town.
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Jun 17, 2016 21:01
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Adahn1986 posted:That's great and all but your push contributed to one tree getting chopped down, and Dawny's implied vote puts me at -2 Actually I didn't make a 'push' on Moat. I made a logical case for him as scum and others chose to vote with me, after I went to bed. You say weird things and that's why my suspicion is on you. "Scum is winning" is an odd thing to say. Why not have some faith in our firefighter? Murmur Twin posted:What made you think that LD and Dongs were scum before you moved to Adahn? I'm trying to gauge if you're seeing what I'm seeing or if you're just being an opportunist. When I woke up the next day after making my case on Moat I caught up on the hundred or so posts that were made overnight. Li Dawny came off feeling incredibly opportunistic and trying to steer the conversation. Something I'm noticed a lot in Dongs as well earlier. I'm in bed atm, 6am in Australia, but I plan on making proper cases for them both when I wake up later today. Just hard to quote poo poo on mobile. I'm voting Adahn atm to gauge his reaction, and I'm not liking how he's responding.
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Jun 17, 2016 21:02
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Adahn1986 posted:I didn't think he was faking non-chalance, but at least he'll be around to weigh in. Adahn1986 posted:MMT's strongest scum reads this game so far are me (I'm 100% tree) and Moat (proven tree). I don't understand why you have a problem with these cases MMT. This looks like town thinking to me. Can you explain again why you think he's just calling people town and doing nothing else, beacause he's definitely not here.
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Infinitum posted:You say weird things and that's why my suspicion is on you. Because it's a guessing game that is hard to win with a lot alive, and like I said at the beginning. 3 mislynches and 2 good primes is a scum victory.
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I like Quidbro for townAdahn1986 posted:Because it's a guessing game that is hard to win with a lot alive, and like I said at the beginning. 3 mislynches and 2 good primes is a scum victory. Again a weird thing to say. Why would town be 'guessing'? Town is 'casing' The language you're using is more akin to scum pretending to be town, than town hunting for scum.
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Quidnose posted:AA I would believe you a lot more if you'd spend less of the game trying to convince me how town you are and complaining about how much you hate everyone for being on your case when you can't play or whatever and more time casing people. Every time you come in here it's to tell us how you are a victim and it makes me think you are scum. So because I'm not playing the game to how you think I should play under pressure, I'm scum? That's truly ridiculous. I'm not coming in to play the victim or just appear when called out, but I mean if I'm actively being cased or called scum, why wouldn't I try to refute the arguments? I am most suspicious about you, li dawny, max and dong. Although Dong made a very good point today about the switch that makes me think he might be town. So I'd say you, max and li dawny in that order. LD hasn't been too vocal today, but max came in pressing a point that I slithered away EOD and you did this too, but now are basically casing me for defending myself.
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You have no thoughts on MMT? Also, if I am scum, then why did I unvote Adahn at the EOD, basically helping the shift on to Moat?
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Jun 17, 2016 21:12
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I would like an answer to this:Quidnose posted:MMT, who is Adahn's scum buddy?
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Jun 17, 2016 21:13
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Im sorry Adahn. It's no use. Everyone knows you're scum now.
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Jun 17, 2016 21:16
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Quidnose posted:MMT, who is Adahn's scum buddy? You'd have to be high on the list but I'm not trying to count chickens before they hatch. I feel like you're trying to move away from what I feel is a slam-dunk on Adahn for what I believe a lukewarm lead on AA.
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Murmur Twin posted:You'd have to be high on the list but I'm not trying to count chickens before they hatch. I feel like you're trying to move away from what I feel is a slam-dunk on Adahn for what I believe a lukewarm lead on AA. So I put a shitton of pressure on Adahn, my scum buddy, at EOD1, so I could unvote when he sat at -1 for loving ever and move the vote onto Moat?
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I believe Li Dawny/MMT are the scumteam. MMT's insistence on Adahn being scum reads as fake. Her lumping me in with Adahn as a potential scumbuddy makes no sense, and I don't believe if she had actually read any of me she would be making that claim now. The only other person she has really given an opinion on that I remember is Moat, who we know is town, and who she helped lock in as dunk yesterday by moving her vote off of Adahn after my unvote. Like I said, scum might actually be wanting more no-dunks than stumps, so I could see her doing this with Adahn as town. Beyond that, I don't see her offering any reads. This is odd MMT play and the most damning thing right now is her trying to connect me and Adahn. Makes no sense with my play at EOD yesterday, and she should have seen and known that SINCE SHE WAS THERE AT THE TIME. Li is mostly gut, she's way under the radar, not really posting much except to snipe, and her play where she was town was WAY different than this. ##vote MMT
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Jun 17, 2016 21:23
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Quidnose posted:So I put a shitton of pressure on Adahn, my scum buddy, at EOD1, so I could unvote when he sat at -1 for loving ever and move the vote onto Moat? Did you miss the "I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch"? My being potentially wrong about a Quid/Adahn scumteam doesn't invalidate my read on Adahn as scum. Quidnose posted:MMT's insistence on Adahn being scum reads as fake. Her lumping me in with Adahn as a potential scumbuddy makes no sense, and I don't believe if she had actually read any of me she would be making that claim now. Do you really not understand what I'm saying about Adahn?
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Quidnose posted:I believe Li Dawny/MMT are the scumteam. Different how?
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Quidnose posted:MMT's insistence on Adahn being scum reads as fake. Her lumping me in with Adahn as a potential scumbuddy makes no sense, and I don't believe if she had actually read any of me she would be making that claim now. For someone who claims you can't possibly be connected to Adahn you sure jumped at the chance to invalidate my case on him with your hypothetical posturing.
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Infinitum posted:Again a weird thing to say. Dude, we were talking about Ferngully. For her it's a guessing game on who to douse.
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Infinitum posted:Im sorry Adahn.
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