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jesus christ if adahn1986 is the last scum
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Votecount for Day 4 Murmur Twin (3): dongsbot 9000, Quidnose,  Quidnose (1): Murmur Twin Not Voting (1): MaxWith 5 alive, it's 3 votes to lynch. The current deadline is June 22nd, 2016 at 8 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 7 hours, 58 minutes.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:01
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please let me be dead
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Jun 22, 2016 17:02
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Please I'd have been lunched millennia ago
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Jun 22, 2016 17:02
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No one died. You smell gas. Day 5 starts now, you have one day to find the scum. Goodbye.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:03
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Good luck!
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Jun 22, 2016 17:04
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this will be the greatest test of my mafia career - a lylo with quidnose, adahn1986, and max: all people i hate and/or have stick figure art that has "done moderately well within the art - photography world"
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Jun 22, 2016 17:06
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dongsbot 9000 posted:this will be the greatest test of my mafia career - a lylo with quidnose, adahn1986, and max: all people i hate and/or have stick figure art that has "done moderately well within the art - photography world" You Must Not Fail
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Jun 22, 2016 17:07
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 I woke up dead  Go town though (I'm still allowed to talk and scumhunt, right?)
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Jun 22, 2016 17:12
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Good luck town. Dawny and MMT should weigh in. Moat should try and vote again.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:12
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Murmur Twin posted:
Yeah.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:13
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Murmur Twin posted:
Yes.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:14
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Okay you guys, what are your thoughts? I want an honest read on each other, take your time if you need to, but actually look around and make cases. Clarifying: Alive guys who are not Dongsbott.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:17
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li dawny, thank u for letting me abstain from making cases, reading posts, etc
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Jun 22, 2016 17:18
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dongsbot 9000 posted:li dawny, thank u for letting me abstain from making cases, reading posts, etc I fully believe you're Crysta, there's been no CC. And I'm really really interested to see what they say. I may ask you to make calls once it's all over though, so don't just read and discard. Interested in the way that I'm interested in all the surgeries on The Knick.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:22
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I'm not gonna be able to make a big post until later, but I'm essentially throwing most of my thoughts in the trash since I've been wrong for a while, and this Lylo demands a real re-read.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:27
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This game needed more votefinder posts. I have to do some manual counting.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:33
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votefinder posted:Votecount for Day 1 Mid D1 votecount. Leaving this here for myself because I hate reviewing with the loving BBcode in my face but I need this info.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:33
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Focusing my reread on Max right now because I have admittedly read him the least. Here are my thoughts initially from D1: Max: -Engages Adahn early in no-dunk theory chat. Could be a scum distraction technique. Specifically tries to get MMT involved in discussing this. -…in fact the entirety of his D1 posting is all this so far in a reread. No alignment calls to begin, no scumhunting. First real call is agreeing with me about AA having made a scumpost. -First case is on moat with this: Max posted:I was going to say that Moat voting for you is lovely and then saw your reply as I was typing this. On top of you, they'd vote Lil D even though they don't mention them at all in that post? -Li made this point D1: Li Dawny posted:Along the lines of my feelings toward AA, Max seems to be waffling back and forth quite a bit. He agrees with AA, then AA is slightly scummy, then AA is totally scummy with no reasoning of his own. -A whole lot of “I’m sure it’s AA” posts without a whole lot of…willingness to vote AA? He even makes the “gut says AA head says Moat” post and then contradicts it by saying “I woke up today and there’s a lot of movement off of AA, I really want to know his alignment” statement (this is all same game day). -Has a hard town read on Adahn because of Mechanics argument.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:35
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I guess I should reread Adahn up to this point, but I think I might have found something informative EoD1. Maybe. But let me review this Adahn since most of my memories are him being all over the place surrounding his potential dunk, which is gonna happen right after this.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:36
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I'm gonna be all over the place as I reread. Adahn outing MMT incorrectly is an interesting thing to me. I didn't like him doing it, but I saw what he was talking about before he pointed the "softclaim" out. Dongsbot being mad at Adahn for his no-dunk floating idea makes a lot more sense now that we know Dongs is Ferngully. Adahn's been pushing this narrative of being really focused on theory this game using his analytical brain, which I have been buying. Question is: Would scum Adahn have looked back and seen dongs' interactions on D1 and wondered about that over MMT's weird softclaim? Why was town Adahn looking for Ferngully on that day? What does scum have to game from forcing a Ferngully outing yesterday? Limiting the pool of players to prime to ensure success? Does that even matter? Went in with a prime before yesterday. 5 yesterday, 4 now. 3 after today. If he unsuccessfully primed BOTH nights and he fires off a burn, we're still in 3man DULO. So yes, it does make sense for him to force a ferngully claim yesterday to limit his pool of people to prime and ensure he goes into tonight with one person dead, ensuring the game is over. Can Ferngully self protect?
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Jun 22, 2016 17:47
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I think that is actually the strongest case for Adahn being scum. Why did he force a ferngully outing. Why did he waffle on quoting the "softclaim" and then do it anyway.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:48
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RolePM says "one other player." Knowing who Ferngully is means that Adahn has a 100% for sure kill after today's misdunk, whereas not knowing means he's guessing at who the fairy is. That might be it.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:49
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My point being that Adahn would have gone into yesterday looking at that and going "The fairy can't selfprotect, so if I can get a misdunk off today and out the fairy for a burn, I can for sure burn the fairy and then just have to get through one more day."
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Jun 22, 2016 17:50
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Ninja'd my post for clarity about the fairy burning.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:50
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Max, right before I was hammered posted:With Dongs being the fairy this does change a few things. I moved off MMT early this game day after we all thought they were Fernie the Gully. Now that's obviously no longer the case, and my point about dongs earlier is moot.  Wait a sec....I know that Adahn thought I softclaimed FernGully the Fairy but I never saw any indication that Max thought I did? And my softclaim occurred on either D2 or D3 (I forget), Max shouldn't have moved his vote from me D4 because of that. Am I reading this statement wrong?
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Jun 22, 2016 17:57
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I think he's referring to this timeline: -We all go into D4 convinced you are the last scum. -Adahn goes "Wait, pretty sure MMT is Ferngully." Provides proof. -We all buy this since Dongs didn't immediately claim, start discussing other possibilities. -Dongs claims, you come in and confirm you're not Ferngully. So Max is referring to the period of time when we all went "welp that does look like a softclaim."
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Jun 22, 2016 18:00
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Like for real, how does town Adahn, rereading the game to try to find a Ferngully softclaim, miss dongs anger on D1 followed by this exchange:dongsbot 9000 posted:adahn, im not going to fall for your town tells i know youre not ferngully Adahn1986 posted:of course i'm a tree. everyone is a tree. anyone who doesn't claim tree is an idjit dongsbot 9000 posted:im not a tree ....and jump on MMT's single post? And for real, what is Town Adahn's motivation for going back and trying to figure out who Ferngully is? What was your motivation, Adahn?
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Jun 22, 2016 18:04
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Quidnose posted:I think he's referring to this timeline: I'm gonna go re-read that for a sec and see what's up. I didn't suspect Max at all until I was hammered but I'm starting to grow suspicious (meaning that at some point I've had scum reads on all the eligible people left - whoever it is is doing a good job  )Also this should go without saying but please no one vote until everyone has weighed in.
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Jun 22, 2016 18:05
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Interesting. I can't even think of building a case at this point. Again, from my perspective, Max or Quid is scum, and if they lynch me it's game over for town. All the info is out there and I need to very carefully digest it. If it were obvious this would be easy, but it's not. The fact that MMT flipped town means Quid needs a re-read.
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Jun 22, 2016 18:10
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Adahn: -Although Max keeps biting, it really is looking more like Adahn is the one who keeps jumping at the opportunity to push this. Every time someone brings it up he responds with a long theory discussion on it. Jumps on Li for calling him condescending. A whole lot of not scum hunting that he created. The AA/Adahn connection AA was truly on the fence re: mechanics chat despite his bluster about not being so. This is the first time he actually comes out and makes an opinion: Anomalous Amalgam posted:Lynching is probably the best course though given stumps being in the game. ...which he then immediately backs off of. Maybe not wanting to put too much heat on his scum buddy? Anomalous Amalgam posted:As of right now I don't want to bark up the wrong tree and am stumped as is usual for day 1 play. The mechanics discussion seems a bit heavy handed, but not warrantless. I just don't want the game to devolve into that. I'll be releafed if we get scum today. Anomalous Amalgam posted:It's a 12.5% chance to douse correctly if we no lynch today, but those odd increase exponentially each lynch. Granted if the firefighter is primed not much can be done long term. Adahn1986 posted:anywho the proper counter-argument is the 22% chance of a scum lynch D1 and 25% chance D2, even if you close your eyes and point. Adahn1986 posted:No I'm actually a giant dumbass, but in retrospect scum might see the argument and be like, "Hey, this doesn't seem terrible to me." This puts them into a spat starting [url= http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3779825&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=4#post461038473]here[/url]. I am not sure if this is fake or not, would like others to read and see what they think. It’s a pretty easy semantic fight but if it is faked they do a good job of it. They do completely drop this discussion once I jump on AA and he turns on me, so maybe that’s the point. Would scum Adahn drop a vote to put his buddy at -2 for no reason? Inf comes in and starts pushing Moat at this point so that ends their interactions for now.
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Jun 22, 2016 18:10
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Adahn1986 posted:Interesting. I can't even think of building a case at this point. I don't like this mindset. I went into today feeling lost but I was like "I gotta figure out who the scum is," while you seem to be saying "I gotta figure out who I can convince people to misdunk." That's...pretty huge, man. Your language seems to show your true intent here.
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Jun 22, 2016 18:12
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Quidnose posted:I think he's referring to this timeline: This. everyone but MMT was around and dongs hadn't CC'd, so we all assumed it was true.
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Jun 22, 2016 18:13
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Quidnose posted:Like for real, how does town Adahn, rereading the game to try to find a Ferngully softclaim, miss dongs anger on D1 followed by this exchange: I wasn't looking for a softclaim, but I thought I found one and laid off MMT. I have no reason to try and figure out who FG is and dongs has read town to me all game so I didn't examine him closely.
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Jun 22, 2016 18:13
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Adahn1986 posted:Moat's pretty laid back about the all the heat coming his way, I dunno if that's his personality? This would be an easy call for scum Adahn to make, especially when he's sitting in the middle of an AA vote. Gives him something to point back to with the momentum starting to shift on to Moat, who at this point is...well I can't find if they were starting to split the vote and don't feel like going over 3 pages to count this when I'm gonna count EOD1 votes but it was close I think.
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Jun 22, 2016 18:15
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Adahn1986 posted:I wasn't looking for a softclaim, but I thought I found one and laid off MMT. I have no reason to try and figure out who FG is and dongs has read town to me all game so I didn't examine him closely. So, what were you doing at the time that made you find the softclaim, and what lead you to present it to the thread rather than just filing it away?
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Jun 22, 2016 18:16
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I still think it's Quid and still stand by all the stuff I was saying D4 before I was lynched. Can people try and re-read what I was saying knowing I was coming from a genuine place? The most damning thing that's occurred in this game (imo) is Quid saying he was suspicious of AA on D2 while clearly trying to push the vote off of him. People need to re-read D2 with the mindset of "if Quid/AA is the scumteam, would his play make sense?" and I feel like it would. And that's not even counting helping drive mislynches on D3/D4 with me/LD. I feel like the softclaim stuff is being overblown - there isn't really much relevant gameplay that occurred between the start of D4 (where Adahn said I was likely FG) and when I came in and denied it.
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Jun 22, 2016 18:19
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Quidnose posted:I don't like this mindset. I went into today feeling lost but I was like "I gotta figure out who the scum is," while you seem to be saying "I gotta figure out who I can convince people to misdunk." That's...pretty huge, man. Your language seems to show your true intent here. All I have to say is "Ditto" Quid.
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Jun 22, 2016 18:19
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I actually want a specific answer to this, Adahn:Quidnose posted:So, what were you doing at the time that made you find the softclaim, and what lead you to present it to the thread rather than just filing it away?
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Murmur Twin posted:I still think it's Quid and still stand by all the stuff I was saying D4 before I was lynched. Can people try and re-read what I was saying knowing I was coming from a genuine place? I was going to come in here and be like "I'm glad MMT is confirmed town because she can tell me if I'm Candaiansing it up" but with you convinced I'm scum that's useless. Please try to read all of this with an open mind and actually look at what I'm saying. I'm concerned right now because I just posted a shitton of stuff and you are commenting on only a single portion of it, which means you are ignoring all of it because you are confirmation biasing your way into a town loss.
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