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Toxxupation posted:Except he was an incredibly boring character and they've literally already done the "Samaritan corrupts its agents" point via about a billion other much better characters, most notably Martine and Greer. He's a bad character, brought nothing new to the table, was characterized incredibly poorly for the near-entirety of season five, and deserved absolutely zero focus in the finale, much less the amount of screentime he actually did get. Were Martine and Greer corrupted characters though? Greer was pretty much always like that and Martine was introduced as a Shaw-like stone cold killer. I haven't listened to the commentary yet, but the only reason it seemed they like bothered with Blackwell was because they couldn't get Claire back. Martine and Greer never had moments where we saw them teeter or be indecisive about the morality of their actions. V-Men fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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V-Men posted:Were Martine and Greer corrupted characters though? Greer was pretty much always like that and Martine was introduced as a Shaw-like stone cold killer. I haven't listened to the commentary yet, but the only reason it seemed they like bothered with Blackwell was because they couldn't get Claire back. Martine and Greer never had moments where we saw them teeter or be indecisive about the morality of their actions. I don't think we ever saw anything about Martine's past, and I'm not sure we ever saw a much of a personality for her beyond "likes hurting people". And Greer, if anything, corrupted Samaritan more than the other way around. He's effectively got the same motivation as Root did at the start; he decided, because of personal betrayal and loss, that humanity was hosed and started seeking out a higher power. Blackwell I'm sure was intended to put a human face on Samaritan operatives (and, as a few people have mentioned, to show how Samaritan brings out the worst in its people rather than, like the Machine, the best). We just got the Cliffs Notes version of his story so it didn't really land.
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GrandpaPants posted:I hope to see you all again in the Westworld thread Still cautiously optimistic about this one because of all the delays and rewrites
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I liked this show a lot but this finale felt really weak to me. It felt like stuff just happened kinda randomly. I didn't get much of a sense of what the Ice-9 virus was doing, or why specifically the ASIs were vulnerable to it. We're told there's a cyber-apocalypse but all we really see is flickering screens and a news report saying bad stuff is happening... and then everything basically returns to normal. Previously we saw Samaritan having facilities and assets all over the world (as well as building itself into the hardware of as many devices as possible), but now it only has one offline backup (conveniently located in the same city as our heroes). We've been told how how these A.S.I.s have godlike intelligence, so why are they vulnerable to a virus built by mere mortals and if they're planning moves 100 steps ahead then why does it feel like Samaritan is randomly stumbling about the moment something goes wrong (Finch tells Sammy "I am going to kill you", then steals a virus capable of killing Samaritan but Samaritan doesn't seem to have many contingencies and countermeasures in place for if Harold actually uses it). And to me it made sense if Ice-9 didn't target the A.S.I.s (which should be almost impervious to direct assault) but instead crippled their access to the government feeds thus leaving them blind and dumb. Or if it crippled society's tech infrastructure. That seemed like a clever way to set up Team Machine's win, they can't beat Samaritan directly so they exploit flaws in human systems instead and it ties in nicely with Finch's idea of not playing by the rules anymore (and also explains why Finch needed to be in an NSA data center to install it). Maybe this sounds like I'm complaining that what I thought was going to happen didn't happen but I thought they could come up with something smarter than Virus Ex Machina and a rooftop shootout. (I mean I thought The Machine building itself into the power grid in S4 was really clever, so super virus disappointed me a lot). And this season just seemed full of aborted plotlines or stuff that didn't go anywhere. Did Root's trip to the Russian missile silo do anything? Did Samaritan's DNA database do anything? We're told The Machine keeps losing to Samaritan in simulations but then in the confrontation that matters The Machine defeats Samaritan without a word of explanation. They did set up a possible explanation here in Root's defensive changes to the machine's code but I don't think Harold ever activated them. So what was the point in that plotline? Blackwell seemed to go from "down on his luck ex con reluctantly working shady jobs" to "loyal sniper assassin" with little sense of the progression of time. Then immediately goes right back to "aww shucks it was just a job". I liked the parallels of Samaritan recruiting Blackwell with the same speech that Harold gave to John, but whilst John had a steady progression Blackwell's character was all over the place. And I thought it was contrived how Shaw worked out that Blackwell killed Root, he happened to bring along the same type of rifle even though he didn't use it and Shaw leapt to the conclusion that he did it. Fusco gets taken out of the precinct at gunpoint after John chokes the police captain out, then the officers in the prison transport van get sniped to death whilst trying to execute him but at the end of episode he's back in work? ??? And the machine doesn't think sniper backup would be useful at any other point in the episode? A lot of that would've benefited from more time to flesh things out, but ultimately I'm watching the episode that was and not the episode that might have been. And just to be clear I didn't hate the episode, I just expected better from it. I did like The Machine finding a very human answer to the meaning of life but I thought they laboured the point a bit too much. I also really liked The Machine's explanation for learning to predict people (I thought it was very fitting given The Machine's purpose). So I thought the episode was good at hitting emotional beats, but plotwise nothing made much sense.
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Toxxupation posted:I remember watching the finale and going "I'm entertained but I have very little loving idea what's going on", a feeling that only worsened as I spent time away from the finale and really thought about it critically. As a constructed narrative the finale is poor, makes little sense, impresses stakes poorly, and its developments are incredibly orchestrated to a level that reveals its own artifice. I still don't get why the police captain suddenly pulled his gun on Reese and Fusco (I guess he was dirty?), I don't know who or what ordered the hit on Reese and Fusco with the killsquad afterwards, and it was all just really pointless dross to give a reason for Reese and Fusco to meet with Finch when he could've just literally called both of them in. The police captain pulled his gun because, I assume, Samaritan tipped him off that Reese is the Man in the Suit, an incredibly dangerous vigilante. And he wanted him taken in. Samaritan probably also assigned the hit on Reese and Fusco because I think at that point it had targeted Team Machine for their deviant behaviors. After .EXE it looked like all their cover identities got blown and Samaritan was able to start tracking them. I'm just curious how Fusco kept his job considering he was in the room when his captain was choked out by a vigilante and an entire precinct full of cops trained their guns on them. Plus their escort detail was killed by a sniper. Also, why were there fiber optic lines leading into an air-gapped system?
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V-Men posted:Were Martine and Greer corrupted characters though? Greer was pretty much always like that and Martine was introduced as a Shaw-like stone cold killer. I haven't listened to the commentary yet, but the only reason it seemed they like bothered with Blackwell was because they couldn't get Claire back. Martine and Greer never had moments where we saw them teeter or be indecisive about the morality of their actions. The extent we knew of Martine's past is just that she was an investigator for the Hague. (I think there were rumors or a hint or something that they had wanted to do a Martine flashback but then couldn't fit it in last season or something.) But yeah, I wouldn't say we could surmise that Samaritan 'corrupted' Greer, Martine, or even Lambert (to choose the three major named Samaritan assets) -- we flatly don't know enough of Martine or Lambert to say that they could have been decent folk before Samaritan stepped in, and I think it's pretty obvious that a great deal of Samaritan's worldview comes from Greer himself rather than the other way around. (And we know even less about other named Samaritan ops like Zachary to make any value judgment on them.) Claire, you can make the argument that Samaritan could have corrupted her, but she was never going to be a "prone to violence" stone-faced killer who's 'just doing a job' like Blackwell turned out, and I don't think she could have fulfilled that same role exactly as it was written this season. (Claire, girl who got really shaky-handed when trying to point a gun and who balked at the idea that she was so expendable as to get shot in the line of duty by friendly fire for the 'greater good', would have never unquestioningly put together a sniper rifle and gunned down Root/Finch in broad daylight through a moving vehicle windshield. Or, at least, not without a full, non-truncated season of additional character growth.) I'd imagine if they'd had a 22-episode season to wrap it all up, we would've seen Blackwell's arc happen in more measured steps but still end up at the same point -- that we see the process of him losing faith in anything external to 'the job' (eg. his former girlfriend refusing his overture to potentially rekindle their relationship) and becoming the stone-faced operative that we got by the finale, rather than the leap from "I have to stab doctors with a deadly virus?! I mean, okay, but..." to god-moding with a sniper rifle. It'd still be the same arc, though -- he's the human face to Samaritan's corruption in a way that Greer (and to a lesser extent, Martine and Lambert) couldn't be.
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I mean you are looking at it logically and with reasoning. Team Machine had to win and be shown as the good guys. That's why Samaritan and the agents are as competent as the plot requires and you don't see any of the damage that Ice-9 did. CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Thinking about Root's missiles/missile silo that went nowhere, I have a theory: The way John's death scene is shot/cut doesn't definitively kill him right up until the final wide-angle shot where the Samaritan ops close in and fire simultaneously. He's wounded, sure. But he's killing a lot of dudes up there and we've seen him get out of worse. The final shot of him actually dying is a later cut. It's possible the scene was originally shot in such a way that they wanted John's death to be ambiguous. The bulk of footage in the episode could be used for a 'John lives' or a 'John dies' cut and changing that would require comparably very little editing versus if main characters had been present for his death, if it had been shot in a different way, etc. Perhaps at the time of filming they still thought they had a chance of a spinoff series or the show being picked up by another network, then as that became less and less likely they decided to kill him for sure in the narrative because it would best suit narrative closure if this was the last episode ever. If the show had gotten picked up elsewhere after all and they had kept the death scene ambiguous, I could easily see the missiles Root targeted coming into play in the opening episodes of a potential next season. Film the finale only slightly differently (remove that final split-second scene where John actually dies, remove references to the explosion, or change the explosion scenes slightly) and everything can stay as-is: everyone assumes John and Harold died, they might even bury a body assumed to be John's, but in the end we see that Root had her missiles intercept the submarine's missiles and instead of the building getting obliterated, there was a midair collision or some vaguely handwavey poo poo. A few minor changes could have made the ending SUPER open-ended without having to retcon anything ala Glenn in Walking Dead. Or I'm just reading too much into the way certain scenes were edited because I work in broadcasting and my editors and I love to nitpick this poo poo to death. 
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I'm really excited for September now that The Machine's told Shaw to take up the mantle of The Arrow. I didn't even know the two shows were in the same universe!
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I had a sleep on it and I read the battle between the ASI the wrong way or that there is a simpler solution that we were shown. Sam hadn't finished loading in yet so was vulnerable to attack. Given a window of couple seconds, between ASIs that is more than enough, that edge needed for that 1 in a billion as the test Harold was running was based on the assumption it was a fair fight, ASIs boxing it out. We were always going to have drop plotlines and they did very well considering how much force they needed to use and the fuckery surrounding it.. They don't need to bring back "John", but like Batman, someone else can be the Man in the Suit. John is the second Man in the Suit. Although the idea about Root's missile is very intriguing and fitting for the show runners themselves to hold out for that miracle we saw play out on screen for the series as a whole. Part of the randomness is because we are seeing the episode from the Machine's view point who is dying. Parts of it might not even be accurate as it might have been a half remembered simulation ran by the Machine. I could believe that NSA's Firewalls were best of the best written by Sam, impervious to outside attack seeing the Machine had to get an alternate way in, but once destroyed from the inside, any similar firewall could be taken down as it's inner workings would have been laid bare. Boxing in an ASI doesn't work as shown by the Machine so that isn't an option. Like Capslock said the Team/Machine needed to win, or like the Machine said, it couldn't afford to lose. We never were going to be told what Ice-9 was as that would have been pulling a Midichlorian moment we didn't need. Having things return to normal after such disruption is the shows way of of showing us human resilience. Just because the Internet failed it didn't mean we descend into Mad Max, we fought it off like everything else and we continued. We were always going to get aborted plotlines given what was happening outside of the show. Root's missile was a Ace in the hole to continue the series or spin off with John alive. The DNA database was showing us how Sammy was going to apply it's own filter on us and showing us parts of it's grand plan of "saving" humanity. The defensive measure Root took was more than likely a backdoor to open the Machine back into an open system which required Harold's permission which he did when he asked the Machine to get him out of the jail. The Machine could have gotten through anyway, but she asks out of respect and it would have required Harold's cooperation anyway to do anything. Blackwell isn't a main character and didn't get multiple seasons to flesh him out so that's what you get. His arc was pretty concise anyway. Fusco did have to write a lot of reports. Having the Machine send in an army of it's own Goons would have diluted John's last stand and introducing more secondary characters would lead to even more bitching. Best of two evils for the show's writers.
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Elite posted:And I thought it was contrived how Shaw worked out that Blackwell killed Root, he happened to bring along the same type of rifle even though he didn't use it and Shaw leapt to the conclusion that he did it. I think it was not only the rifle but also custom made bullets or something
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Sereri posted:I think it was not only the rifle but also custom made bullets or something She specifically singles out the hollow point round before guessing it's Blackwell, yeah.
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Loved the ending, lost my poo poo at several moments - partly because endings wreck me, but also because PoI ends well. It's okay to want something in a show/film/book and not get it, as long as there's sense and purpose and execution. I really wanted Reese to live, even though his death is perfectly appropriate. It's the wanting that demonstrates the success of the show. Also, thanks for linking that AV Club review - particularly enjoyed the contrasts between The Machine (healer) and Samaritan (decayer), Shaw (ownership) and Blackwell (justification)
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Zaggitz posted:She specifically singles out the hollow point round before guessing it's Blackwell, yeah. Hollow points aren't rare. She specifically says it was a 6.5(mm) "Custom" round which is rare. It was talked about being a replacement for 5.56mm but went nowhere. There isn't a reason to use it over a 5.56 or a 7.62 as far as we are concerned, but for the writers it was an expedient way to finish Shaw's revenge story/arc without the Machine straight up telling her or having her run off as they had bigger fish to fry and didn't have an episode to spare.
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People with sharp ears might have noticed the music for the last episode took its theme from both Battlestar Galactica and Ex Machina. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCrxDsuwXjI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqNp0xFMUMc
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Kegslayer posted:Also shouldn't the Machine and Samaritan have made physical back ups somewhere? I think there's a real risk to backups of an Artificial Super Intelligence. Specifically, if someone gets their hands on the backup, now you've got a different, likely hostile, ASI out there.
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docbeard posted:And Greer, if anything, corrupted Samaritan more than the other way around. I'm in the camp of "satisfied with the ending, but not happy with the season as a whole." There was a lot of sloppy writing this season (understandable, since I assume the writers were scrambling) and threads that were poorly executed. As was mentioned earlier, the arc of the two cops was far more satisfying than a lot of what appeared this entire season (especially Blackwell.) I think the writers are really good at writing slow-burn arcs that are deep and really make you think about things, but the compression of those arcs really didn't work at all. I am glad we did get closure though. Also, thanks to the poster who mentioned that the Machine's voicemail was to let its copy know who and what it was - I totally didn't pick up on that.
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Also, as it turned out, both Samaritan and the Machine did have copies out there. (Samaritan's in the Federal Reserve vault, the Machine's in the subway that came online at the end of the episode, plus the one that Harold was carrying around). What, in retrospect, would have been cool was, after ICE-9 wiped out all electronic traces of both Samaritan and the Machine, a shot of a bunch of clerks at Thornhill Industries typing in a bunch of code from printouts. I'm still not really sure why just destroying the antenna before Samaritan could transmit itself to the satellite wouldn't have been fine, but (a) maybe they figured that if it went to the satellite they knew where the last functional copy was and could keep it isolated there until the Machine could (hopefully) destroy it, whereas if they destroyed that antenna it could have fled anywhere and (b) it's just a show, I should really just relax.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Greer mentions that he didn't do anything to make Samaritan the way it is - he just didn't interfere with it like Harold did with the Machine. You could probably argue that doing nothing but telling a baby ASI "hi, we are your faithful servants, what would you like us to do" is, in effect, doing something to shape it whether that was Greer's intent or not. quote:I'm in the camp of "satisfied with the ending, but not happy with the season as a whole." There was a lot of sloppy writing this season (understandable, since I assume the writers were scrambling) and threads that were poorly executed. As was mentioned earlier, the arc of the two cops was far more satisfying than a lot of what appeared this entire season (especially Blackwell.) I think the writers are really good at writing slow-burn arcs that are deep and really make you think about things, but the compression of those arcs really didn't work at all. I am glad we did get closure though. Agreed pretty much with all of this. I think there were some individually fantastic episodes this season, but the pacing was off. Still, you know, better this than a LOL YOU'RE CANCELED three episodes before the end and them scrambling to form a coherent ending out of nothing.
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Destroy the antenna with what? and the fact they weren't going to get to the antenna in time to destroy it unless they used Root's magic missile. As you said, they had to be sure and the Machine was the only thing that could pursue him.
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oohhboy posted:Destroy the antenna with what? and the fact they weren't going to get to the antenna in time to destroy it unless they used Root's magic missile. As you said, they had to be sure and the Machine was the only thing that could pursue him. Could have used Chekov's semtex I suppose. I thought both the machine and Samaritan needed the sat, and it was a bit of a race.
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docbeard posted:Also, as it turned out, both Samaritan and the Machine did have copies out there. (Samaritan's in the Federal Reserve vault, the Machine's in the subway that came online at the end of the episode, plus the one that Harold was carrying around). The Machine in the subway at the end of the episode was the one that downloaded itself from the satellite on the next orbit, and the one Harold was carrying around was the one stolen by Reese to upload to the satellite (which was then destroyed by the missile).
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I thought Johns death was super cheap. He could have accomplished his mission and survived really easily since he's a terminator. Wish they would have come up with a scenario that would actually need him to sacrifice himself, this way just felt cheap. But I kinda felt the same way about Roots death. It should have been much more dramatic but it was just kind of a wet fart.
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Harold and John didn't know they needed Semtex neither did the Machine and couldn't really bring an armoury with them unless they wanted to get gunned down before making their thermonuclear play. Even the machine didn't know he had a backup contingency until a copy escaped. They were both playing speed chess while being beaten to death. It was a little strange that John brought so little ammo with him, but that can be explained by having to resupply by looting the dead cops and the holsters weren't suitable for concealment. He then could bring more for his final stand by looting the Agents who likely was wearing something concealable as they didn't bring anything bigger than a pistol.
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Also, Ordos aside, John's not literally immune to cruise missiles. ...they should have sent Fusco instead. Since I'm pretty sure he is.
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He took that stabbing very well, but he was wearing a "different" kind of vest.
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oohhboy posted:He took that stabbing very well, but he was wearing a "different" kind of vest. Bulletproof vests don't really stand up to stabbings much; it's why the UK police have special stabvests instead.
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I wasn't talking about either type of vest, it was something more "Manly". Check the length of the knife and where he was stabbed, no way that was going to hit anything vital.
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Invalid Validation posted:I thought Johns death was super cheap. He could have accomplished his mission and survived really easily since he's a terminator. Wish they would have come up with a scenario that would actually need him to sacrifice himself, this way just felt cheap. But I kinda felt the same way about Roots death. It should have been much more dramatic but it was just kind of a wet fart. He did sacrifice himself - for Finch. It felt like less because there was the long discussion prior to it happening, rather than a "Look out, sir!" moment. But yeah, the way the past five years have gone, he should have been able to take all of those guys out, while maybe getting a flesh wound. He spent five years consistently hitting kneecaps at range and while on the move, yet could barely hit the Samaritan guys from a static position. Regarding deaths, I felt the same way about Elias. But, to be fair, there have really only been two good deaths - Carter and Anthony.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Regarding deaths, I felt the same way about Elias. But, to be fair, there have really only been two good deaths - Carter and Anthony. I would say Simmons had a good death, it just wasn't a glorious one. But it was right. I thought Aaron Burr getting unceremoniously shot in the back by Greer was pretty appropriate for how his arc turned out.
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I think John's last fight could have been more spectacular, certainly. Him sacrificing himself for Finch was always how he was going to go out, though. (Really sucks for Finch, though, being once again put in a position where he's forced to watch his best friend die, powerless to do anything about it.) I feel like a broken record on the whole "this probably would have been better if they hadn't been rushed" thing, but Elias's final arc, more so than just his death, felt completely dissatisfying. Elias as the personification of the old world that Samaritan was trying to sweep away could have been really compelling. But since it's so easy to fixate on what went wrong (and worth doing, I think), I also feel like I need to say that Amy Acker and Michael Emerson were on fire in these last few episodes. The whole cast was at the top of their game, really, but those two were incredible.
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GrandpaPants posted:I would say Simmons had a good death, it just wasn't a glorious one. But it was right. I thought Aaron Burr getting unceremoniously shot in the back by Greer was pretty appropriate for how his arc turned out. I feel the same way about Hersh's death. It wasn't glorious, but it was the only way he could go out.
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I thought that was a wonderful end to a really great show. The abridged season hurt the pacing and there were definitely dropped plot threads but on the whole, pretty drat good. Gonna miss my weekly kneecapping bonanza.
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Great show. I think my biggest disappointment with the show was that Ken Leung had to go get a starring role on "The Night Shift" (how is that show even still on) after season 2, so Leon couldn't become a main recurring member of Team Machine . Man, that would have been great. And Shaw took Bear, so we can't even get the Fusco, Bear and Leon spinoff show.
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I really liked the fact that the Machine took more inspiration and enlightenment from a pair of (irrelevant) minor characters than it did from something the gang said or did. It sold the idea that the Machine really was everywhere which isn't something they've really covered before. With Reese's death, I'm not sure if I remembered it wrong but after he gets shot and slumps down, were Samaritan's goons firing at him or at the laptop/satellite dish? When it came to Samaritan v the Machine though, I'm not sure if Greer is to blame. The Machine is the way it is essentially because Finch broke it a shitload of times to get it to work. Any of the earlier copies could have just come to the same conclusions and actions Samaritan without Greer's input.
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Kegslayer posted:I really liked the fact that the Machine took more inspiration and enlightenment from a pair of (irrelevant) minor characters than it did from something the gang said or did. It sold the idea that the Machine really was everywhere which isn't something they've really covered before. The goons were shooting Reese. He was shot like 25 times, and was still kind of moving when the missile hit. I mentioned it before, but it was cool that one of those two cops was the Rookie cop, who Carter turned double agent on HR with. I wonder if the older cop had also been on the show before. Wouldn't surprise me.
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Kegslayer posted:When it came to Samaritan v the Machine though, I'm not sure if Greer is to blame. The Machine is the way it is essentially because Finch broke it a shitload of times to get it to work. Any of the earlier copies could have just come to the same conclusions and actions Samaritan without Greer's input. Greer: If wiping out half the human race with a virus is what you want, who's to say it's "wrong?" Finch: Put down both the cat and the lighter.
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docbeard posted:Also, as it turned out, both Samaritan and the Machine did have copies out there. (Samaritan's in the Federal Reserve vault, the Machine's in the subway that came online at the end of the episode, plus the one that Harold was carrying around). Yeah, I assumed (a). If you destroy the antenna maybe it just reroutes itself somewhere else and they might not be able to track it since they aren't directly tracing it like they were in the bank vault. Having it fire the last copy of itself off into space and sending The Machine after it while it is presumably blind and more vulnerable than normal and can be surprised made some sense to me. As much as any of this pseudo-tech basis of this show does. You have to suspend disbelief here and there, but gently caress it, it's still better than 95% of what is on TV. Or I should say, was better  berzerkmonkey posted:He did sacrifice himself - for Finch. It felt like less because there was the long discussion prior to it happening, rather than a "Look out, sir!" moment. But yeah, the way the past five years have gone, he should have been able to take all of those guys out, while maybe getting a flesh wound. He spent five years consistently hitting kneecaps at range and while on the move, yet could barely hit the Samaritan guys from a static position. The problem was that he was stuck in a position with no cover and couldn't really be on the move because he had to protect the uploading laptop. Plus maybe he wasn't as careful as he normally would have been since he knew the whole roof was going to be hit by a missile in a few seconds anyway. If he was going to die regardless, might as well catch a few bullets with his torso that might otherwise have hit the laptop and hosed things up. StarkRavingMad fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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JossiRossi posted:The goons were shooting Reese. He was shot like 25 times, and was still kind of moving when the missile hit.
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Elite posted:I liked this show a lot but this finale felt really weak to me. It felt like stuff just happened kinda randomly.
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