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According to the spec sheets, length is very much an issue if your MSI already is a tight fit: MSI 970 4G: 269 mm Gigabyte G1 1070: 286 mm
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For people in the EU, the British pound is in free fall so you should be able to get a cheaper GPU.
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Jun 24, 2016 06:45
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snuff posted:For people in the EU, the British pound is in free fall so you should be able to get a cheaper GPU. That's not how currency works. They are going to have to pay a lot more for their GPU's now. This is the weirdest launch ever. I don't know what I even want to play on a 1080 but the fact I can't seem to get one makes me determined to get one.
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Jun 24, 2016 07:21
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particle9 posted:That's not how currency works. They are going to have to pay a lot more for their GPU's now. Yes it is, if it drops 20% today then you save 20%, long term yes of course they Will adjust prices.
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Jun 24, 2016 07:30
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snuff posted:Yes it is, if it drops 20% today then you save 20%, long term yes of course they Will adjust prices. Excuse my ignorance for exchange rates, but if the British Pound drops, how does that help the Euro when it comes to buying power?
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Jun 24, 2016 07:38
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If you think long term is a few hours to a day sure. And as Rabid says, it has no huge swing on the EU. The British stayed on the pound, which will be at parity with the dollar tomorrow probably. The EU might shift but has no direct 1:1 with the pound. This is the ERM disaster again.
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Jun 24, 2016 07:49
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:The 400C is very wide, it has plenty of room for any GPU. Picked up a Corsair 400c to replace my Air 240 today, the MSI 1080 does indeed have plenty of room now  Fry's in Sunnyvale had a bunch of EVGA 1070 FE's on the shelf when I was there tonight.
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Jun 24, 2016 08:25
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Drakhoran posted:And what... oh I see, 3DMark is on sale. Cool. Huh. I was under the impression Firestrike was free.
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Ak Gara posted:Huh. I was under the impression Firestrike was free. The demo is free which is how most people run it.
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Jun 24, 2016 09:40
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Oh, cool. Games on sale that I can't run because I'm on the workstation equivalent of an HD7770.... missing the top 1/4 of its clock speed. On a less salty note, I do note that the only games I *really* care about this year appear to be Doom, Dishonored 2, and DXHR 2. I think there might be a pattern...
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Jun 24, 2016 10:17
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Rabid Snake posted:Excuse my ignorance for exchange rates, but if the British Pound drops, how does that help the Euro when it comes to buying power? Because someone in the Euro can buy freely from the UK with no extra import fees or tax, so where 1 euro was worth x pounds yesterday, it's worth y today, so that 1080 might have cost (for example) 700 euros yesterday but can now be bought from the UK for the equivalent of 600 euros today. I don't think reality will be that extreme, but it could if the pound continues to tank.
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Seamonster posted:Tangentially GPU related: gently caress you bro, i didnt need this today
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Jun 24, 2016 11:11
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mcbexx posted:According to the spec sheets, length is very much an issue if your MSI already is a tight fit: Yeah MSIs are almost always taller and short and most cards are longer. The height was actually more of an issue for me. The notable change this time for the g1 cooler is a normal weight and length - but its still 3 fan length for sure Fits in my mini itx case with inches to spare so if its tight on your big case FEEL SHAME
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Jun 24, 2016 15:23
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I've been hearing from people that consider the new GTX cards to be a 'rip-off' and are advising people to get an RX480 instead for the price/performance. So this AMD strategy of targeting the budget-conscious could actually work.
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It will probably depreciate less than the currently priced nvidia cards
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Jun 24, 2016 16:22
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It could work because not everybody owns a 144hz 1440p ultrawide or 4K or even super high refresh rate FHD. The vast majority of people who would consider buying a new graphics card at this very moment are still on regular old 1080p or 1440p monitors @ 60hz. Looking back through the pages here you'll see quite a few people who bought 1070s/1080s and while there is nothing wrong with that in the least, it is NOT even an even remotely accurate picture of the graphics card market as a whole.
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Jun 24, 2016 16:25
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Phlegmish posted:I've been hearing from people that consider the new GTX cards to be a 'rip-off' and are advising people to get an RX480 instead for the price/performance. So this AMD strategy of targeting the budget-conscious could actually work. Yes if they deliver a $200 290++ that runs cool, it will be a very popular card. How much it "works" depends on how much money they make off it though
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Jun 24, 2016 16:42
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Seamonster posted:It could work because not everybody owns a 144hz 1440p ultrawide or 4K or even super high refresh rate FHD. The vast majority of people who would consider buying a new graphics card at this very moment are still on regular old 1080p or 1440p monitors @ 60hz. Looking back through the pages here you'll see quite a few people who bought 1070s/1080s and while there is nothing wrong with that in the least, it is NOT even an even remotely accurate picture of the graphics card market as a whole. I think the Steam survey has 40% on 1080p and less than 5% on over 1440p.
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Jun 24, 2016 17:12
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Yeah, if people can get off the whole "nvidia = better" thing and look at benchmarks objectively, the 480 looks like it is in the perfect spot for 1080p in terms of price/perf. Of course, take that with a boatload of salt until we see actual benchmarks.
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As long as it meets the bar for 1080p ~60 fps with high - max details in most AAA titles that can get that, it should be a good staple for most gamers that aren't able / willing to spend $1200+ extra for bigger screens / many more pixels and other luxuries. AMD taking on consoles + mid range PC gaming market is a market position that you would think would make them the de facto gaming GPU company out there, but nVidia has had the trump card of winning the scientific computing race with their investments into CUDA and deep learning research.
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I'm waiting for official benches to decide on a 480 vs. 1070 to drive 1080p@120Hz. The fact that the 480 is even in the discussion seems pretty impressive.
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Jun 24, 2016 18:35
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Phlegmish posted:I've been hearing from people that consider the new GTX cards to be a 'rip-off' and are advising people to get an RX480 instead for the price/performance. So this AMD strategy of targeting the budget-conscious could actually work. I can conceivably make this argument, but not before benchmarks.
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Jun 24, 2016 18:58
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I feel like I am more eager to get my hands on a new card simply because the one I want is out of stock. Also because I'm about to start playing the two Witcher 3 expansions I want to max out the graphics.
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I am waiting on overclocking investigations to see how far ~$250 really goes. Might have to wait for the Sapphires and MSIs to get out of reference hell for that to really happen though.
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Does XFX still makes video cards? I don't see them talked about much any more in this thread.
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Phlegmish posted:I've been hearing from people that consider the new GTX cards to be a 'rip-off' and are advising people to get an RX480 instead for the price/performance. So this AMD strategy of targeting the budget-conscious could actually work. The biggest problem that I see with AMD's sweet spot strategy is that most of the gamers serious enough to be interested in a ~$200 GPU have already picked up a 290 or 970 at some point over the last 2 years, and even if the 480 is better than a 290 / 970 it's not likely to be enough better to justify switching.
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Twerk from Home posted:The biggest problem that I see with AMD's sweet spot strategy is that most of the gamers serious enough to be interested in a ~$200 GPU have already picked up a 290 or 970 at some point over the last 2 years, and even if the 480 is better than a 290 / 970 it's not likely to be enough better to justify switching. Why would gamers with a $200 budget have bought $250-$350 cards in the past? That's like saying gamers with a $400 budget have probably already bought a 980Ti, so there's no point in upgrading. That was my budget and no I didn't have a 980Ti. When that level of performance dropped $200 in the form of the 1070, I bit. It's quite probably that there are quite a few people out there with half my disregard for money that have been holding to their $200 budget and are therefore rocking a 280 or 960.
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I went home at lunch so that my 1080 and XB271HU weren't sitting on the porch, and now it's even harder to make it through the rest of the work week  .
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Phlegmish posted:I've been hearing from people that consider the new GTX cards to be a 'rip-off' and are advising people to get an RX480 instead for the price/performance. So this AMD strategy of targeting the budget-conscious could actually work. Overall I'm unimpressed with 290-level performance for $200, given that 290s were down around that price before AMD rebranded it as the 390 and added another $100 to the price tag. 8 GB for $250 is even more unimpressive given that you can go out and buy a 390 for that price right now. It does use less power, but let's not pretend that it's a quantum leap in price-to-performance at its MSRP - actually, it's pretty much a wash. NVIDIA is actually increasing price-to-performance: even at the inflated prices being asked for the 1070 it still performs like a 980 Ti that cost 50% more a few months ago, and once the 1080 is in stock for more than three minutes at a time it will be a 20% bump in performance at the 980 Ti's former pricepoint. The RX480 really needs to be hitting 980/290X level speeds for $200, and the RX480X (XT version) needs to be pushing close to the 980 Ti at under $300 when they release it, apples to apples (no overclocks). And I'll need to see benchmarks before I believe that one. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Mr E posted:I went home at lunch so that my 1080 and XB271HU weren't sitting on the porch, and now it's even harder to make it through the rest of the work week Ordered on "back order" on the 21st, but my MSI 1080 Gaming X arrived at my office today, so not too bad. Most assuredly ready for 5 o'clock to roll around.
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I was planning on buying an RX 480 on day one. Someone local is selling a used MSI 980 Ti for $250. Should I just buy that instead? Edit: Contacting seller ASAP. Edit 2: Forget it, he won't let me see it run first. PBCrunch fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Jun 24, 2016 20:42
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Jun 24, 2016 20:42
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Yep. Nvidia used card fire sales always deliver on value.
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PBCrunch posted:I was planning on buying an RX 480 on day one. Someone local is selling a used MSI 980 Ti for $250. Should I just buy that instead?
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My MSI Gaming X 1080 showed up today, and it is definitely a beast of a card. I wasn't expecting it to be so much bigger than the 970 it's replacing. I've got a 10 year old Lian-Li case, and this is the first card I've owned that forced me to take out the side fan. Fortunately the power connectors had enough room. Performance so far is amazing as expected. Firestrike Ultra score went from 2624 to 5259. Played about 10 minutes of Witcher 3 at 1440p ultra settings with hair works on, and never saw fraps dip below 60fps.
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Newegg seems to be well stocked on non Fe msi 1070
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Twerk from Home posted:The biggest problem that I see with AMD's sweet spot strategy is that most of the gamers serious enough to be interested in a ~$200 GPU have already picked up a 290 or 970 at some point over the last 2 years, and even if the 480 is better than a 290 / 970 it's not likely to be enough better to justify switching. If you look at the steam hardware survey (http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/) and ignore mobile and integrated graphics, the GTX 750 Ti and the GTX 760 are the 3rd and 4th most popular graphics cards. Then comes the AMD Radeon R9 200 Series followed by the GTX 660 and 650. There are a lot of people out there on old midgrade cards.
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Jun 24, 2016 20:58
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I upgraded to a 1070 from a 750 Ti. 
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Lungboy posted:Because someone in the Euro can buy freely from the UK with no extra import fees or tax, so where 1 euro was worth x pounds yesterday, it's worth y today, so that 1080 might have cost (for example) 700 euros yesterday but can now be bought from the UK for the equivalent of 600 euros today. I don't think reality will be that extreme, but it could if the pound continues to tank. Thanks for the info. Reminds me back in 2009 when the Canadian Dollar was worth more then the US Dollar and I was curious.
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SlayVus posted:Does XFX still makes video cards? I don't see them talked about much any more in this thread. No, more seriously, they've kind of lost their darling status after they changed their double lifetime warranty, I think.
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