winegums posted:

I'm confident this is going to work out fine. Nobody in charge actually wanted us to leave the EU, but the guys who scapegoat it just hit the leaver [sic] a bit too hard. The major financiers of the Tory party are going to tell them they can't leave. The Tories will um and ahh and then say "look, we're not actually going to leave the EU that'd be mental". They'll be hated by half their voters who'll leave for UKIP. Their vote will be split and they'll be hosed. In the same way that Labour dived on their sword to keep Scotland in the UK, so must the Tories dive on their sword to keep the UK in the EU.

Corbyn will get in on a "no but seriously we're not leaving the EU. The problem is neoliberalism" ticket. He'll push a line of how the Tories lied to the public about what leaving would involve, and propose to work with the EU to solve the big problems. He'll win. 10'000 years of happiness follows.

Petition at 2m now.

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

As an even easier summary: Brexit is Springtime For Hitler.

Vladimir Putin posted:

While I understand the economic turmoil of globalism what I don't understand about the anti-globalism crowd is what vision they are offering instead. Is it just pull up the drawbridge, put your fingers in your ears and wish it wasn't the 21st century? I just don't see that as remotely optimistic of the future and it seems to me like a step backwards.

So what is a legitimate competing vision to globalism?

winegums posted:

I'm confident this is going to work out fine. Nobody in charge actually wanted us to leave the EU, but the guys who scapegoat it just hit the leaver [sic] a bit too hard. The major financiers of the Tory party are going to tell them they can't leave. The Tories will um and ahh and then say "look, we're not actually going to leave the EU that'd be mental". They'll be hated by half their voters who'll leave for UKIP. Their vote will be split and they'll be hosed. In the same way that Labour dived on their sword to keep Scotland in the UK, so must the Tories dive on their sword to keep the UK in the EU.

Corbyn will get in on a "no but seriously we're not leaving the EU. The problem is neoliberalism" ticket. He'll push a line of how the Tories lied to the public about what leaving would involve, and propose to work with the EU to solve the big problems. He'll win. 10'000 years of happiness follows.

Petition at 2m now.

winegums posted:

I'm confident this is going to work out fine. Nobody in charge actually wanted us to leave the EU, but the guys who scapegoat it just hit the leaver [sic] a bit too hard. The major financiers of the Tory party are going to tell them they can't leave. The Tories will um and ahh and then say "look, we're not actually going to leave the EU that'd be mental". They'll be hated by half their voters who'll leave for UKIP. Their vote will be split and they'll be hosed. In the same way that Labour dived on their sword to keep Scotland in the UK, so must the Tories dive on their sword to keep the UK in the EU.

Corbyn will get in on a "no but seriously we're not leaving the EU. The problem is neoliberalism" ticket. He'll push a line of how the Tories lied to the public about what leaving would involve, and propose to work with the EU to solve the big problems. He'll win. 10'000 years of happiness follows.

Petition at 2m now.

Guavanaut posted:

Nationalism. Arguably nationalism has always been a working class response to exploitation by the elite, whether they be hereditary aristocrats, transnational elites, or modern day global corporations, it's just one that is open to parasitism.

Brown Moses posted:

https://twitter.com/ChuckTingle/status/746724502269104129

Steve2911 posted:

I'm amazed the petition is still going up. Apathy usually kicks in within the 24 hour mark.

Tigey posted:

"Help us Capital, you're our only hope"

ronya posted:

a labour mp seems to have picked up the defyrendum flag

winegums posted:

I do think if Labour ran on a bremain "the tories lied to us all" line they'd do well. It gives the papers a reason to support Labour and the public an easy way of voting Labour without feeling like they're being told to, or they've had to change their mind. "I was eminently sensible making my decision on the evidence presented to me, it was those Tories who lied."

Rookoo posted:

Independent posted:

The referendum itself has no constitutional significance. To stop Brexit, all the government has to do is nothing.

Captian Nuke posted:

As a US immigration attorney I should state that this is incredibly misleading. Until that child turns 21 there is no direct immigration benefit for the parent, the child may have a right to live in the US but you sure don't. Having a child can sometimes open up additional forms of relief but it is extremely limited and highly discretionary. Unless England descends into true third world status no immigration judge is going to care much about the consequences of your child having to move there for a few years.

quote:

Less than a month before the historic EU referendum, the team assembled by Cameron to keep Britain in the European Union was worried about wavering Labour voters and frustrated by the opposition leader’s lukewarm support. Remain campaign operatives floated a plan to convince Corbyn to make a public gesture of cross-party unity by appearing in public with the prime minister. Polling showed this would be the “number one” play to reach Labour voters.

Senior staff from the campaign “begged” Corbyn to do a rally with the prime minister, according to a senior source who was close to the Remain campaign. Corbyn wanted nothing to do with the Tory leader, no matter what was at stake. Gordon Brown, the Labour prime minister whom Cameron vanquished in 2010, was sent to plead with Corbyn to change his mind. Corbyn wouldn’t. Senior figures in the Remain camp, who included Cameron’s trusted communications chief Craig Oliver and Jim Messina, President Obama’s campaign guru, were furious.

Even at more basic levels of campaigning, Labour were refusing to cooperate. The party would not share its voter registration lists with Stronger In, fearing the Tories would steal the information for the next general election. “Our data is our data,” one senior Labour source said when asked about the allegation.

In desperation, the Remain strategists discussed reaching out to the White House to intervene directly. Obama had met Corbyn during a trip to London in April, when the American president argued forcefully for Remain. They wondered: Maybe Obama could call the Labour leader and convince him to campaign with Cameron?

Don’t bother, Labour aides told them. Nobody was going to coax their boss into sharing a public platform with Cameron. The idea was dropped before it reached the White House.

“We can’t stand there every week and wail away at you for prime minister’s questions and then get on stage with you,” a senior Corbyn aide said at one tense meeting three weeks before the vote, according to a Remain source.

Steve2911 posted:

I'm amazed the petition is still going up. Apathy usually kicks in within the 24 hour mark.

Vladimir Putin posted:

Was being in the EU really that onerous for the UK? Frankly most of Europe's self defense through NATO which is more or less being paid for by America. What's there left to pay for really? That's like 50% of America's budget. Take that portion away from European countries and what else is there that's so expensive?

baka kaba posted:

It's getting about 100 sigs every 2 seconds now

Vladimir Putin posted:

Was being in the EU really that onerous for the UK? Frankly most of Europe's self defense through NATO which is more or less being paid for by America. What's there left to pay for really? That's like 50% of America's budget. Take that portion away from European countries and what else is there that's so expensive?

Vladimir Putin posted:

This whole ordeal is so embarrassing and pathetic and I'm not even British. I feel sorry for you guys.

Kurtofan posted:

XMNN posted:

selfish racist morons

sorry i mean precious snowflakes who made an extremely well informed choice and have no sort of prejudice against foreigners but legitimate economic concerns and i just wish we werent so gosh darn mean to them and we had asked them not to burn the country down with themselves and everyone else locked inside in an even more roundabout way that didnt hurt their feelings

ronya posted:

on such things do the great nations turn

ronya posted:

a labour mp seems to have picked up the defyrendum flag

ronya posted:

a labour mp seems to have picked up the defyrendum flag

forkboy84 posted:

This is interesting. Though I need to hear more. Probably have to find this report to the Lords.

No, the point is that they absolutely didn't make a well informed choice. The prejudice is real and bad but screaming racist at such a large segment of the population has done exactly gently caress all for us. So maybe look at why people have become so knee-jerk xenophobic and then try something new, like addressing those causes, as opposed to doing what New Labour did, dismissing them out of hand or what the Tories did, yelling about immigration being the root of all problems.

How do you address the poor education, and the misinformation from a media which generally would rather deflect from the excesses of neo-liberalism and globalisation than face up to the problems which benefit their owners? Pretty sure the Brexit vote just proved that calling just under half the country dumb and racist isn't going to solve gently caress all, even if it briefly makes you feel better. It turns out that there are consequences to casually otherising people, be they immigrant, or working class from areas ravaged by deindustrialisation.

Full Battle Rattle posted:

This is so infuriating

Literally all you have to do is just...not do it. Just don't go through with it. A lot of leave folks have clearly seen the error of their ways and I bet a similar vote taken now would be remain by a landslide so just don't loving do it okay

Kurtofan posted:

ronya posted:

on such things do the great nations turn

forkboy84 posted:

This is interesting. Though I need to hear more. Probably have to find this report to the Lords.

hitchensgoespop posted:

I think that MPs voting to ignore this vote would be even more disastrous than the fiscal butt loving were about endure.

People are pissed and this vote was largely 2 fingers to the political elite. Them ignoring the vote would leave the door wide open to even more far right wackadoos.

Do you really want the country to swing further to the right?