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Pornographic Memory posted:all the fans of cap strapped teams with bad contracts are going to be really disappointed when vegas picks a player who is actually decent instead of the lovely guy on a $5 million multiyear contract and on top of that causes the salary cap to stagnate or even drop as hockey related revenue is now split 31 ways instead of 30 Capitals fans are adamant that Vegas is going to select Brooks Orpik instead of like Dmitry Orlov or Marcus Johansson because of leadership and grit. I want to believe.
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the talent deficit posted:i wouldn't be shocked if vegas made the playoffs their first year out. the west is really bad Everyone but Vancouver is on the up and up in the Pacific. McDavid will be 20 in 2017-18 so the Oilers should really have their poo poo together by then. Gaudreau and the Flames should at worst be playoff also rans. The Coyotes don't have much high level talent, but are getting a lot better. . San Jose and LA should still have the remnants of their cup run teams to drag them into the playoffs. Vegas would be hard pressed to do anything of note with a team of castoffs and a solitary high draft pick.
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Nail Rat posted:Do you have any idea how bad they will be the first few years? Maintaining fan support will be a challenge. That doesn't mean it won't happen, BUT. Vegas will be the first expansion since the salary cap and loser point, I wouldn't be surprised if that helped them be less-terrible in the standings than past expansion teams.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I was gonna say there was a British Hockey team named the London Knights but apparently that one died, leaving only the Canadian London Knights. First the UK leaves the EU and now this, get your poo poo together Britain.
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They'll probably compete because the Pacific is trash. I expect they'll only have 3 playoff teams again
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Have they announced where the 2017 World Cup of Hockey will be? Seems like doing it in Vegas would be a good kickoff except they wouldn't have players on any national teams.
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Thufir posted:Have they announced where the 2017 World Cup of Hockey will be? Seems like doing it in Vegas would be a good kickoff except they wouldn't have players on any national teams. Pretty sure that it's going to be every 4 years, like FIFA World Cup, so 2020. And, no.
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Jun 25, 2016 01:16
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I thought it was in Toronto.
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:I thought it was in Toronto. He means the next one.
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Another thing to consider when comparing this team to other expansions is the difference in draft rules. In the last three drafts you got to protect one goaltender, five defensemen, and nine forwards or two goaltenders, three defensemen, and seven forwards. You were basically limited to the fourth line, a bottom pairing defense, and a back up goalie to put your whole team together. Now it's seven forwards, three defencemen, and one goaltender or one goaltender and any eight skaters. And as Zodijackylite said, teams aren't just two lines, a checking line, and goons. They won't be amazing, but Vegas will likely be able to put together a team with at least some skill and not just over the hill guys or people who wouldn't make the league without the new team. I couldn't find anything online, but did the names of unprotected players in the last draft ever get released, or just who was claimed?
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You can find the protected lists from the 98, 99, and 00 expansion drafts here: http://historicalhockey.blogspot.ca/2014/06/1998-nhl-expansion-draft.html http://historicalhockey.blogspot.ca/2014/10/1999-nhl-expansion-draft.html http://historicalhockey.blogspot.com/2014/11/2000-nhl-expansion-draft.html To give an idea of the complete lack of talent available, here's a recap of what the Rangers did: 1998: "Lost" UFA goalie Mike Richter, who they resigned. Nashville got a compensation pick. They protected AHL goalie Rob Stauber, whose last NHL game was in 1994-95, as well as enforcers Darren Langdon and Eric Cairns and AHL defenseman Maxim Galanov. 1999: Lost defenseman Chris Tamer, who played five years for Atlanta. Protected part-time AHL/NHL heavyweight brawlers Jason Doig and Rumun Ndur as well as punchman Darren Langdon. Exempt from exposing a goalie. 2000: "Lost" UFA defenseman Matheiu Schneider (who signed elsewhere) and Dmitri Subbotin, a Russian who never came to North America. Protected Jason Doig again, as well as AHL enforcer Dale Purinton, whose resume included one NHL game and 415 PIM in the AHL that year. The drafting teams got some sort of compensation pick from the league for the UFAs. Protecting 15 players and rookie/sophomore pros, plus having UFAs available meant there was literally zero talent draftable. Teams were literally protecting part-time AHLers, journeymen, and multiple goons. This time around is much better.
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I live in Vegas for 11 years and the second I leave we, err, they, get a hockey team. Has anyone suggested a Fury Road theme yet? It'll make great crossover for when the Raiders move there.
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A GM facing a do-or-die season should go all-in with overpayments on good players with the intention of losing some to expansion regardless of the team's success. It's like a buyout but cheaper and unreliable!
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Vegas is only allowed to take one player per team, right?
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kalensc posted:A GM facing a do-or-die season should go all-in with overpayments on good players with the intention of losing some to expansion regardless of the team's success. It's like a buyout but cheaper and unreliable! This seems to be Ken Holland's plan
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Zodijackylite posted:Protected Jason Doig again, as well as AHL enforcer Dale Purinton, whose resume included one NHL game and 415 PIM in the AHL that year. dale purinton you say?  dale purinton owned
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Eric the Mauve posted:Vegas is only allowed to take one player per team, right? Yeah they have to take exactly 1 from each team
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kalensc posted:A GM facing a do-or-die season should go all-in with overpayments on good players with the intention of losing some to expansion regardless of the team's success. It's like a buyout but cheaper and unreliable! Don't go giving Jim Benning ideas now
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he wouldn't know what to do with them
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DJExile posted:Jesus christ would you be the man to tell dale he's going to another team? 
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:would you be the man to tell dale he's going to another team? Can I tell him on the phone? From Australia?
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Mind_Taker posted:Capitals fans are adamant that Vegas is going to select Brooks Orpik instead of like Dmitry Orlov or Marcus Johansson because of leadership and grit. I want to believe. Yes please. Metapod posted:If Vegas doesn't build a team around explosive high risk high reward offense and poor defense I'm going to be disappointed How close to poo poo can we mean poor? Turdsdown Tom posted:now you're gettin a feel for what the LV jerseys will look like loving poo poo, they just need to steal that purple and gold the kings used to have, modernize it to fix the crown and they are done. CaptainYesterday posted:With Las Vegas now off the list, the largest US metropolis without a major pro team is my hometown of Austin. BUILD THE DANG SOCCER STADIUM. And Austin is OK, we have good minor league teams for our city. Although a Major league team for soccer would be great. We already have the Aztex for soccer, Round Rock Express for AAA Baseball, Spurs D-league basketball and the Stars Ahl team. poo poo isn't so bad.
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Turdsdown Tom posted:also not only is assuming the colors will be black/silver/gold because of the website dumb, but black/silver/gold is tacky as gently caress and i guarantee they will not show up in september with anything good to show. Foley has already confirmed black/silver/gold. Other developments: - The AHL will give Foley a token look-over but admitted that if you're approved by the NHL then AHL approval is practically a given. - Foley doesn't know where to put the AHL team, but is looking at sites. He's not throwing out the idea of also hosting it in Vegas, somewhere in the burbs, and occasionally letting them play on the Strip against rivals/regional teams. - A training rink is going through the civic bureaucracy. Their first choice in location is near Red Rock casino on the far west edge of civilization, but other options exist, such as the city-owned Cashman Center complex that has a rarely-used convention center and the worst baseball field in Triple-A. - "We probably won't win the Stanley Cup in our first season, but we should be competitive because of the way the expansion rules have changed since the last teams." Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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Put them in Saskatoon, we have direct flights to Vegas twice a week and you can hook up with a bachelorette party on the plane
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Somewhere the other day someone said Salt Lake City was a potential site for their AHL team. They already have the Maverick center which is where the 2002 Olympics were held. Perfect size for AHL, since the Grizzlies were an AHL team at one point. It sounds like bad management sunk that ship though. Makes a lot of sense geographically.
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Cool, another stupid idea for a team in another stupid idea for a city in a desert that I can hate without feeling guilt.
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Nail Rat posted:Do you have any idea how bad they will be the first few years? Maintaining fan support will be a challenge. That doesn't mean it won't happen, BUT. Oh my god poor Jamie Pushor Selected by the Thrashers in their expansion draft then selected by the Blue Jackets in the next one poo poo the Predators got some decent goalies in their draft Looking back at the protected lists is pretty interesting http://historicalhockey.blogspot.co.nz/2014/11/2000-nhl-expansion-draft.html Dan Cloutier, expansion draft protected goaltender Edit: Zodijackylite posted:You can find the protected lists from the 98, 99, and 00 expansion drafts here: 1999 Expansion Draft posted:Vancouver Canucks: That was a pleasant trip down memory lane Jedimastafez fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Jun 28, 2016 |
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Man, those links are great. Thanks for sharing them. Detroit was able to expose absolutely nothing of value for all three of those expansion drafts.
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myron cope posted:Yeah they have to take exactly 1 from each team This is gonna really suck for a few guys. You work hard and bust your rear end to finally become a 3rd or 4th liner guy with the big club, only to be picked in an expansion draft and sent down to the AHL affiliate of an expansion team.
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OldSenileGuy posted:This is gonna really suck for a few guys. You work hard and bust your rear end to finally become a 3rd or 4th liner guy with the big club, only to be picked in an expansion draft and sent down to the AHL affiliate of an expansion team. Nah the expansion team will basically make some 3rd line guys a ton of money. Instead of fighting for minutes on a team with a real top 6 you get fed opportunities and minutes with a team that has no internal competition. Kind of like how Palmieri went from the ducks, where he had trouble staying in the lineup, to the devils, where he was given as many PP minutes and opportunities as he could ever want.
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The Las Vegas Haggis Magus
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Jordan7hm posted:Nah the expansion team will basically make some 3rd line guys a ton of money. Instead of fighting for minutes on a team with a real top 6 you get fed opportunities and minutes with a team that has no internal competition. Also the couple of guys who have career high shooting % in their first LV season will become fan favorites and get overpaid.
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Neodoomium posted:Man, those links are great. Thanks for sharing them. Are you forgetting that Manny Legace is a Stanley Cup Champion?
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Zodijackylite posted:Are you forgetting that Manny Legace is a Stanley Cup Champion?
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Yaya posted:It's his Manny Legacy! boooooooooooooooooo
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Zodijackylite posted:Are you forgetting that Manny Legace is a Stanley Cup Champion? And an NHL All Star!
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i am the bird posted:And an NHL All Star! He's also now a Calder Cup winning Goalie Coach.
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