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| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
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328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
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115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
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506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
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157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
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61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
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19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
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411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
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533 | 25.02% |
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Baloogan posted:its 50% off till the 4th! Bought it recently actually, just haven't got around to learning the drat thing yet :p But this wiki is actually helpful in that regard so thanks for inadvertently helping! e; 559 AD, Anglian settlers move deeper into Scotland, setting the stage for germanic ruination of these fair gaelic isles for at least another millennium and a half. Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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Jedit posted:Can we have an agreement that in the new thread people will just not respond to Pissflaps? He's making the thread all but unreadable. Yeah and stop quoting him ffs, I have him on ignore for a reason.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:58
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radmonger posted:Can the people who disagree with this show their working? Bollocks, the vast majority of people are not members of any political party in the UK.
Even including the other small parties not listed with membership in the hundreds or the thousands we don't break 1 million registered members of a political party. In fact if we were to base interest in a type of politics based on party membership as you did then interest in Left Wing/centre-left politics is vastly more popular than Right Wing politics. Simple truth is most people are too busy dealing with the daily grind of life to think much about politics beyond the headlines or in the weeks leading up to an election.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:58
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Ewan posted:I honestly don't know. Leadership of the labour party seems to be a poison chalice at the moment. While I say Corbyn is not cut out to be leader, that is not purely a criticism of him. Leadership has two parts - the leader and the led. I expect the vast majority of other potentials are also not cut out for it. But, some of the natural (and necessary) traits of a good political leader, such as charisma and charm, are specifically missing from Corbyn's toolset. Any left-wing leader would get the same treatment Corbyn would. They're not against him, they're against the idea of the Labour party being left-wing.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:59
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If you can't establish a political consensus or act according to the wishes of the party while representing it, why even have a loving party?
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Jun 30, 2016 21:59
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Ewan posted:
Kind of owned yourself there friend 😂.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:59
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can someone link the sarah vine article about gove being bad at sex tia
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Jun 30, 2016 21:59
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Jedit posted:Can we have an agreement that in the new thread people will just not respond to Pissflaps? He's making the thread all but unreadable. As a semi-lurker he's actually one of the things that keeps me coming back. Pissflaps is the Jeremy Corbyn of this thread.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:59
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Miruvor posted:Leadership takes conviction, and vision, in equal measures.. Yeah I love that he just calmly goes "yeah whatever grow up" and carries on with his day. Although failing to get into his HQ after shunning the journalist shows it can backfire.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:59
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Friendly Humour posted:If you can't establish a political consensus or act according to the wishes of the party while representing it, why even have a loving party? A good leader can achieve this.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:00
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Ewan posted:And an afterthought, he was hugely naive to say those things about Israel. Sure, he didn't mean to make a direct comparison, but in the world of politics you have to pour over every sentence with a fine tooth comb. Leader of a political party that is going through an anti-semitism crisis AND as someone that is often labelled as a HAMAS sympathiser, he should not make such an obvious faux pas. My friends and I literally face palmed when we saw that. I love the double think here; Corbyn is bad because he's a Hamas supporter. Corbyn is bad because he compared Israel to Hamas.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:00
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Pissflaps posted:A good leader can achieve this. I don't think you understand politics at all.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:01
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Pissflaps is the Jeremy Corbyn of this thread. We already determined that Corbyn is capable of answering a question with an answer and not a vague handwave, thus making this unlikely.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:01
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Friendly Humour posted:I don't think you understand politics at all. It's true, the nuance sometimes eludes me.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:01
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Pissflaps posted:It's true, the nuance sometimes eludes me. Yeah, it happens to the best of us. So anyway, why don't you like Corbyn? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 30, 2016 22:02
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Being deliberately tedious with someone who enjoys being deliberately tedious is mainly just loving irritating for everyone else
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Jun 30, 2016 22:04
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, it's been pointed out 100 times since Friday that this thread has a lot of desperate love for left wing politics (which isn't exactly a new development), Corbyn is simply the only thing even vaguely close to an important, national left-wing politician since the resignation of Michael Foot in 1983. A year before I was born. If another left-wing candidate came along who had the charisma & guile of Obama, but combined it with being a socialist rather than a centre-right liberal then I'd support that person. But that isn't the choice. So yeah, my support for Jeremy Corbyn is a long way short of blind. I have (& others have too) acknowledged his faults in this thread. But he's who we've got. And I'm quite content to support a man who is highly principled and treats the electorate with respect and doesn't talk in black & white in the most simplistic terms but is poo poo at "playing the game" when the alternative is people who aren't particularly principled, or their principles don't really reflect my principles. I totally understand the love for Corbyn's policies here, and why he is seen as somewhat of a "saviour" of left wing politics and I respect the efforts he has taken to try to bring Labour back to its roots. I agree UK politics having a political party more truly to the left in order to give the electorate more of a choice of centre-right vs centre-right is long overdue and reflect the views of a large chunk of the wider Labour party. BUT, I revert to my previous point, however amazing or visionary his policies are, he is simply not a natural political leader and he has failed to bring factions of the party together. For a start (I will repeat this ad infinitum), he lacks energy, wit, charisma and charm. But, as I said above, I am sure most other prospective Labour leaders will similarly fail with the current bunch of snakes in the PLP. But someone with more charisma would at least have an automatic head start over him.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:05
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Ewan posted:To expand - it is a negative against him, but I am not saying it is solely his fault. The PLP shares a large chunk of the blame too. For the fact that Corbyn's electoral and polling performances have been underwhelming, I'd say it's fair to say the PLP share some of the blame. For the fact that the Labour party's about to be ripped in two, the PLP is fully responsible.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:05
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I love the double think here; Corbyn is bad because he's a Hamas supporter. Corbyn is bad because he compared Israel to Hamas.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:08
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Ewan posted:But, as I said above, I am sure most other prospective Labour leaders will similarly fail with the current bunch of snakes in the PLP. But someone with more charisma would at least have an automatic head start over him. And as I said, I'm okay with him hanging on long enough to save the inner party from the shitbags even without improving as a 'leader' - it will also be interesting to see him up against the Tories currently in the leadership contest. None of them have pigfucker's skill at deflection.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:08
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvV1zFWWRJ4 Corbyn talking Iraq war in 2003
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Jun 30, 2016 22:09
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Ewan posted:But someone with more charisma would at least have an automatic head start over him. I don't think anyone disagrees with the sentiment, but who? People that are more charismatic than Jeremy Corbyn in the PLP seem to be in very short supply at the moment.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:10
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:Bollocks, the vast majority of people are not members of any political party in the UK. I know registering for a political party means more to you guys than in the US, but I don't understand how the left is not dominating with numbers like this. Do the conservatives just not care about party membership at all?
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Jun 30, 2016 22:11
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TheRat posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvV1zFWWRJ4 Christ, he looks so much younger. I mean, I guess it has been 13 years.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:14
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TheRat posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvV1zFWWRJ4 Strong stuff - I like his bravery in doing it metres away from some of those responsible.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:14
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Xandu posted:I know registering for a political party means more to you guys than in the US, but I don't understand how the left is not dominating with numbers like this. Do the conservatives just not care about party membership at all?
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Jun 30, 2016 22:15
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Renaissance Robot posted:Christ, he looks so much younger. Look how much younger Blair and Brown look from the same year... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPCTBXse80c
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Jun 30, 2016 22:15
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Ewan posted:I totally understand the love for Corbyn's policies here, and why he is seen as somewhat of a "saviour" of left wing politics and I respect the efforts he has taken to try to bring Labour back to its roots. I agree UK politics having a political party more truly to the left in order to give the electorate more of a choice of centre-right vs centre-right is long overdue and reflect the views of a large chunk of the wider Labour party. Yeah, but you can only play with the hand you've been dealt. Wishing for something that doesn't exist just seems like an exercise in disappointment. Unless you've got a time machine, in which case lets go back in time & mess with young Tony Blair until he becomes a dyed in the wool socialist.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:15
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Jedit posted:Can we have an agreement that in the new thread people will just not respond to Pissflaps? He's making the thread all but unreadable. Just post this everytime he mentions Corbyn.
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Xandu posted:I know registering for a political party means more to you guys than in the US, but I don't understand how the left is not dominating with numbers like this. Do the conservatives just not care about party membership at all? The conservatives don't need to worry about membership because they have all the money
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Jun 30, 2016 22:15
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Xandu posted:I know registering for a political party means more to you guys than in the US, but I don't understand how the left is not dominating with numbers like this. Do the conservatives just not care about party membership at all? Being a Tory is a shameful secret. People don't even admit they're going to vote Tory, let alone join the party.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:16
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Miruvor posted:Leadership takes conviction, and vision, in equal measures.. I'm pretty sure it was pointed out that Corbyn wanted to resign, but didn't after consulting with his advisors. This isn't really about Corbyn himself. It's a battle for the soul of the party. Corbyn is hanging in because the PLP is now so divorced from the politics of the rest of the party that if he leaves, they may block the candidacy of any left wing candidates for leadership, and there is no way of getting rid of the PLP in that scenario since they're appointed by the party leader. I do agree, though, that this takes courage!
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Jun 30, 2016 22:16
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Xandu posted:I know registering for a political party means more to you guys than in the US, but I don't understand how the left is not dominating with numbers like this. Do the conservatives just not care about party membership at all? All of those are less than 1% of the population per party. In the US where something like 40+% are registered one way or another it's comparatively weeny here. For examples, the Tories have 150k members apparently, and they got 11 million votes last year. Labour has 500k members and got 9 million votes. SNP 110k, got 1.5 million votes. Lib Dems 67k, got 2.5 million votes. Membership is not mandatory and can be overly expensive for the poorer.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:18
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Xandu posted:I know registering for a political party means more to you guys than in the US, but I don't understand how the left is not dominating with numbers like this. Do the conservatives just not care about party membership at all? They rely on people who have never done an iota of political activism voting in droves and a cooperative press and donors from the world of business. It's a successful formula
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Jun 30, 2016 22:18
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TheRat posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvV1zFWWRJ4 I very much like the cut of this man's jib. He's grown old very gracefully. Grey is a good look on him.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:19
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Xandu posted:I know registering for a political party means more to you guys than in the US, but I don't understand how the left is not dominating with numbers like this. Do the conservatives just not care about party membership at all? That increase has been very recent and we've not had a proper election yet to really capitalize on it. We did pretty good in the Council elections with one of the best results in years, but because it was a tiny bit worse than the last time (One of the best ever) it was seen as a disaster. Also Conservatives get more of their money from big donations and rely on non-grassroots advertising and friendly news coverage. Labour relies on the Unions and Membership for money and relies more on grassroot campaigning and hoping the Tories are really, really poo poo. UK politics and US politics are so unalike when it comes to money and campaigning it's almost comical. Imagine the House and Presidential election was all one election and the Democrats spent $16 million dollars on the entire campaign for it. That's the UK.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:19
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Xandu posted:I know registering for a political party means more to you guys than in the US, but I don't understand how the left is not dominating with numbers like this. Do the conservatives just not care about party membership at all? The Conservatives have richer donors and far greater support in the media, particularly amongst the tabloids. There's also the First Past the Post electoral system which screws things even more, in the last election the Conservatives took 36.8% of the vote and gained 50.8% of the seats, Labour took 30.5% of the votes and gained 35.7% of the seats.
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Xandu posted:I know registering for a political party means more to you guys than in the US, but I don't understand how the left is not dominating with numbers like this. Do the conservatives just not care about party membership at all? e: I suppose if I had to venture an opinion it'd be that by not having a huge number of engaged lower-class members they avoid those people trying to influence the party's direction.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:19
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Fans posted:UK politics and US politics are so unalike when it comes to money and campaigning it's almost comical. Imagine the House and Presidential election was all one election and the Democrats spent $16 million dollars on the entire campaign for it. That's the UK. And conversely, imagine Boris had paid over $120million before his climbdown today. That's Jeb!'s amount.
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Oberleutnant posted:I couldn't tell you exactly why those groups died out Old age. 
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